So Ashe is now effecitively permabanned after her rework...

Remlap1223·May 14, 2015·2 votes·434 views

...someone pick up that phone, because I motherf%#*ing called it!

10 Comments

atomicwitMay 14, 20151 votes

Really? I haven't seen her banned yet. My first Ashe game was pretty successful though.

Remlap1223May 14, 20151 votes

I am so bad with Ashe, but I managed to outduel a Lucian. She needs nerfs lol.

TheRakkunMay 14, 20151 votes

Lucian isn't really a duelist, more of a "kite them while hitting their ass" and given ashe has permaslow, yeah...

insaiyanbaccaMay 14, 20151 votes

if you had said out-traded graves every trade or out dueled a full build vayne this would've been valid but out dueling luc aint hard he is more kite focused then duel focused tbh

LuggMay 14, 20151 votes

I just think it will be nice to have someone to counter Jinx with now.

Remlap1223May 14, 20151 votes

Implying Ezreal and Varus didn't exist already.

LuggMay 15, 20151 votes

Ezreal can only counter if he hits his Q consistently, which most players can't do. Varus does ok, but he doesn't hard counter her. Plus she WAY out-scales either of them.

atomicwitMay 14, 20151 votes

Is Ashe more of an early-mid carry now? I'd still assume Jinx and Vayne are stronger late (partly because they get larger critical strikes).

Skia AsteriMay 14, 20152 votes

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Is Ashe more of an early-mid carry now? I'd still assume Jinx and Vayne are stronger late (partly because they get larger critical strikes).

She is now strong at every point in the game she is not behind and has proper peel. Her crits are for 260% with IE and 100% crit chance. Her Q is very strong mid game if she has time to build the stacks. Her early game is decent because auto range advantage over most champions.

KMannnnn1May 14, 20151 votes

The thing I've noticed is that she has far less pronounced powerspikes now. The flattening of her critical damage made her power curve much more linear, and you have the feeling of "I know I'm doing more damage, but I don't feel as strong as before." Dealing 200% damage 10% of the time functions and feels very different from dealing 110% damage all the time, even if they are mathematically identical.

Basically she'll probably be stronger than before once she's full build, and she'll be slightly stronger in lane, but for the first few items, she'll feel a lot worse in teamfights if the enemy adc is getting lucky with crits.