Spamming surrenders or constantly begging for it doesn't change my or most people's minds...

Zombiephil·Aug 26, 2015·33 votes·4,590 views

It just makes me and others report you for Negative Attitude. The fact that you just fed the enemy and then decided to just bring the team down even more by pestering us to give up because of YOU will only make me say "No" or drag the box off my screen and then report you after.

If people don't wanna surrender, **then putting up 7 votes or constantly asking "PLZ FF" won't change their minds, it will just annoy them and get you reported. **

The funniest thing about this? I actually got a "Report feedback" message saying someone was punished because I reported them for guess what? Yeah.. constantly spamming surrender after dying 5 times in lane and only typing premature GGs and saying "Plz FF" and spamming surrender. The guy wasn't verbally harassing us, the only thing he ever typed was "GG" or "Plz FF", but he still got punished.

Just stop.

TIMEOUT! I said report someone for SPAMMING constant surrender votes that keep failing 1/4 while also constantly being annoying and negative in the chat. NOT REPORT SOMEONE FOR STARTING ONE SURRENDER VOTE OR REPORTING THE TEAM FOR SURRENDERING. Learn to read.

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Mike17032Aug 27, 20159 votes

On the flip side of that why do some people insist on dragging out games where you are just getting your shit pushed in and the other team is clearly taking their time to enjoy it? When the other team has 4x your kills and you don't have a tower down yet, it's time to call it.

CeronousAug 27, 20152 votes

This. There are days that I could get in another two whole games if people /ffed when it was first obvious and not drag it out 15 more minutes.

PlsTouchMeGentlyAug 27, 20151 votes

There's a difference between being optimistic and being delusional. Not surrendering in this situation is definitely the latter.

DazedOnlookerAug 27, 20154 votes

These people make me feel sooo miserable when they dont /ff.

My recent game we had a Leblanc who was pretty good! he had the most kills and the least deaths....until our bot and jg started feeding (i was the feeding jungler Sejuani Q_Q) our game just went to hell because the enemy jungler Shyvana got fed from camping bot lane 24/7 and there was not much i could do being underleveled and all thus turning their adc into a killing, kiting machine (I hate Kalista soo much). But we stayed positive and acknowledged that we lost miserably and was happy to /ff @ 20...but nope our LB took it upon himself to make that game a long living hell for us. He constantly spammed pings, like 10pings every 5-10 seconds trying to get us to follow his orders(which were bad calls every single time which caused us to feed harder) and in fact i'm pretty positive that most of thoes pings were suicide baits because he would ping us to a location(like drag or baron) and would completely ABANDON us when we got there and go to a different location than where he pinged us to go..he was our main source of damage and could have easily helped us win the team fight...and honestly we only listened to get him to shut up with the pings(which did not work) i was forced to mute my game after he refused to stop and he even started pinging TWICE as much when i kindly said "LB please chill with the pings its counter productive and its actually throwing my game off".

I constantly questioned his motives often asking "why not /ff?". he would always say something like "no we got this"...they took drag 3x and 1x baron..all of our towers and 3 inhibs...and you still think we have a chance?...he thought so. and proceeded to spam pings and decline the surrender votes insisting on dragging out a game that we already lost. and within the last 10mins before our nexus went down he had the nerve to say "Guys hurry up and group mid!!!!! IGTG MY MOM'S CALLING ME FOR DINNER" like fk my life. seriously? JUST FKING /FF THEN!!! STOP VOTING "NO". The rest of us grew tired of our LBullsh** and camped at base until our nexus went down. and all the while our LB was spamming pings trying to get us to move, still voting "No" to surrendering...

That was the most hellish never-surrender game i have played in a while...

MetalGearTeemuAug 27, 20151 votes

Your bot lane may have gone horribly, you may have fed and failed. But if your team wants to keep fighting you keep fighting.

Your existence itself is evidence that horrible throws are possible. Darius

Lexy KittenAug 26, 20158 votes

You are quite high and mighty. Sometimes I'm just having a horrible game and want to just leave so I FF a lot at that point. It doesn't help when my teammates already flame me for doing badly sometimes.

ZephyrDrakeAug 26, 20153 votes

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You are quite high and mighty. Sometimes I'm just having a horrible game and want to just leave so I FF a lot at that point. It doesn't help when my teammates already flame me for doing badly sometimes.

there's a difference between wanting to surrender and just constantly spamming /ff votes, whining about the team not surrendering every time the vote doesn't go through and in general putting the team's morality down. You want to leave? just /ff and see if others want to surrender. It doesn't go through you play through the game normally and see how things go from there. Unlike other people who just spam /ff even when you are only 1 kill and one turret behind

Arcade AndrewAug 26, 20155 votes

Reporting somebody for trying to surrender...

I hope you sire get punished for abusing the report system and falsely report players

/ffing every five minutes is barley spam, and not reportable they want to give up get over it

now if they are spamming "GG pls ff/ggpls ff pls/ff pls/ff" that doesnt fall under negative attitude that falls under spamming

negative attitude is something like: top feeds 10 kills five minutes in and bot wants to five up meanwhile mid is 25/0 but they keep pointing out the negatives which imo shouldnt be punishable either, somebody is being negative? mute them and get over it, if you let another players emotions control your emotions theres an issue there

not every play will be happy to lose a game or be playing in one where he/she is doing bad

BigAL8799Aug 27, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Andrew,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwrXWt32,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-26T22:56:56.449+0000)

Reporting somebody for trying to surrender...

I hope you sire get punished for abusing the report system and falsely report players

/ffing every five minutes is barley spam, and not reportable they want to give up get over it

now if they are spamming "GG pls ff/ggpls ff pls/ff pls/ff" that doesnt fall under negative attitude that falls under spamming

negative attitude is something like: top feeds 10 kills five minutes in and bot wants to five up meanwhile mid is 25/0 but they keep pointing out the negatives which imo shouldnt be punishable either, somebody is being negative? mute them and get over it, if you let another players emotions control your emotions theres an issue there

not every play will be happy to lose a game or be playing in one where he/she is doing bad

get over yourself you self entitled jerk

You really should reread OP and also learn how to spell/read. Your example is the dumbest ever for Negative Attitude, you did not need to type ggplsff 50 times and yes that is definitely negative attitude. And the only jerk here is you. Riot: Don't be a jerk. I'm reporting your post. Don't be shocked if your post is deleted.

Arcade AndrewAug 27, 20151 votes

Wow and Im the jerk? the two replies to mine were pretty salty considering Im agreeing with OP

I stated my opinion that negative attitude shouldnt be able to be reportable or punishable

(its an emotion real people will have not everyone is all happy go lucky carebear as you are) I often find what some call "negative" is often a neutral player stating the facts

IE in a ranked game: "Hey annie why are you building AD? AP is much better for annie?

annie: omfg reported stop being so negative I can build what i want muted"

(annie reports) player gets restricted for a simple question

player reports annie: nothing happens she wasnt toxic and clearly player was being super negative

Maximum MordeAug 27, 20155 votes

I mostly just click it every time it's up cause I'm bored and don't feel like playing that round anymore. Bonus points if it annoys the try hard nevargiveupwecanwinthisgais crowd. It's a game. I don't care if I win or lose, I care if I'm having fun. I've put up surrender votes when I'm winning just like when I'm losing cause a match has lost my interest. So, I'll keep putting up that ff vote while you are free to click no if you want. Just don't expect me to be performing at 100% when my heart isn't in it anymore.

Dr PoroAug 27, 20151 votes

Same for me. In normals atleast. When I play ranked I'm one of the nevargiveupwecanwinthis guys.

CastmanAug 26, 20154 votes

"Omg their adc is up 3 cs. GG surrender. Fkin noob team"

LuggAug 27, 20155 votes

I have had more than one game where someone wanted to FF when the other team got first blood. Seriously, how big of a loser do you have to be to think like that?

CastmanAug 27, 20152 votes

"Omg they got 1st dragon it's fking over"

-Premature ejaculating players with a borderline-fetish hard-on for ONE objective

LuggAug 27, 20151 votes

I've actually had that happen a few times as well. :P

Steel BlossomAug 26, 20153 votes

lol what if it's the other way around, where the person trying to surrender has the best KDA and farm of both sides, but the team is still behind by like 10k gold? Do I have the right to not want to carry people who clearly does not even know the game?

ZombiephilAug 26, 20155 votes

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lol what if it's the other way around, where the person trying to surrender has the best KDA and farm of both sides, but the team is still behind by like 10k gold? Do I have the right to not want to carry people who clearly does not even know the game?

To be honest, your score doesn't even matter. I just said that because over 90% of the time, the person doing the spamming and negative behavior is the one who has the worst score/performance. It's never acceptable to bring your teammates down, and spamming surrenders isn't going to change your teammates' minds, it will just annoy them.

Steel BlossomAug 26, 20153 votes

But the score does matter. Do people have the right to not want to go through the trouble of carrying worthless(in terms of contribution to the game) teammates?

ZephyrDrakeAug 26, 20154 votes

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But the score does matter. Do people have the right to not want to go through the trouble of carrying worthless(in terms of contribution to the game) teammates?

please tell me what does the score do for you? if they are worthless then YOU are worthless regardless of how perfect your KDA is

ZombiephilAug 27, 20152 votes

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please tell me what does the score do for you? if they are worthless then YOU are worthless regardless of how perfect your KDA is

Score means soooo much.

Karthus - Hey look, I just pressed R in base and picked up 4 kills. Wow I'm so useful.

Shen - Thanks for the mana. Your assist means a lot.

Like seriously, it's not even hard to get kills and assists. I could just stand in the back all game randomly healing/shielding teammates and end up 1/0/13 or something while doing 10 times less damage than the support.

PartholonianAug 27, 20153 votes

IMO, if a surrender attempt is voted down, the same player should have to wait at least 10 min to start another. Different players should be able to start after 2 min or something like that, if it was a "one last chance for a good teamfight" and you got aced.

If nobody has changed their mind since the last vote, it's not going to pass anyway, so why allow it to be initiated?

Indeed, you could take it further and make it so that only players who voted no last time (or didn't vote) can initiate a new vote. If there aren't any players who voted no before but want to surrender now, then you know it's going to fail, so allowing the vote to take place at all is just an occasion for negativity.

BakedLotionAug 27, 20151 votes

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IMO, if a surrender attempt is voted down, the same player should have to wait at least 10 min to start another. Different players should be able to start after 2 min or something like that, if it was a "one last chance for a good teamfight" and you got aced.

If nobody has changed their mind since the last vote, it's not going to pass anyway, so why allow it to be initiated?

Indeed, you could take it further and make it so that only players who voted no last time (or didn't vote) can initiate a new vote. If there aren't any players who voted no before but want to surrender now, then you know it's going to fail, so allowing the vote to take place at all is just an occasion for negativity.

But then theres those idiots that say " I never start a surrender vote " but they sure as hell can press yes on one. I don't get their logic.

SnakeDocturAug 27, 20153 votes

URGENT! THIS JUST IN:

Calling a surrender vote(s) is an ingame function and thusly is NOT REPORTABLE

STOP REPORTING PEOPLE WHO START SURRENDER VOTES JUST CUZ UR MAD YOU LOST

ZombiephilAug 27, 20151 votes

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URGENT! THIS JUST IN:

Calling a surrender vote(s) is an ingame function and thusly is NOT REPORTABLE

STOP REPORTING PEOPLE WHO START SURRENDER VOTES JUST CUZ UR MAD YOU LOST

Was the original post unclear? It says SPAMMING SURRENDER VOTES WHEN THEY KEEP FAILING. What do you think? I report 4 people for surrendering when I'm the only one who only wants to play? It's when the vote fails 1/4 4 times in a row that annoys me.

HiemdolAug 27, 20153 votes

I do agree that filling the chat with spam to "please ff" is not good to do. That being said The vote to surrender does have a cool down already to gate spamming. The vote to surrender is a show of how everyone, including the person starting the vote, stands on their perceived chance of success in any given game. As long anyone voting to surrender still plays to the best of their ability I see no problem with them voicing their opinion about whether or not their team can win. It is just as much someone's right to try to surrender as it is anyone's right to say yes/no.

Blade of JusticAug 27, 20153 votes

Fair enough, but when the match is 36 to 10 in the enemy's favor, they have 2 dragons when we have none and they've taken 4 towers while we haven't touched theirs, for god's sake, just end this.

ZombiephilAug 27, 20151 votes

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Fair enough, but when the match is 36 to 10 in the enemy's favor, they have 2 dragons when we have none and they've taken 4 towers while we haven't touched theirs, for god's sake, just end this.

If your team keeps saying no to surrender and you keep trying to ask for it, they will not say yes they will get annoyed.

Blade of JusticAug 27, 20151 votes

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If your team keeps saying no to surrender and you keep trying to ask for it, they will not say yes they will get annoyed.

Guess that makes 5 of us, then.

VhalthoriaAug 26, 20152 votes

One thing is accepting the game is lost and get over it in order to jump onto another game fast, and another is being fucking stubborn and make other people waste their time in a game that is already lost. It is good to know the difference.

ZombiephilAug 27, 20156 votes

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One this is accepting the game is lost and get over it in order to jump onto another game fast, and another is being fucking stubborn and make other people waste their time in a game that is already lost. It is good to know the difference.

Sorry, I'm in Bronze. AKA League of Throws. No game is "already lost", because players will turn their backs on an open nexus.

CeronousAug 27, 20152 votes

But some games ARE lost and you end up wasting 10-20 minutes of someone's time because the enemy team knows they've steamrolled you and are dragging the game out. Yes, you might be able to come back. Might. But there are obvious situations where no amount of optimism will save the game.

I was in a game the other night where they were up 4 dragons to our none, had a baron, up 6 towers, 20 some odd kills, and had us cowering in base because Rengar could instagib me as the adc every time i respawned. Oh, the Mordekaiser also dced 10 minutes in and never came back. Me and my friend just wanted to ff and move on, but the teemo and lux both had the mindset of "Do you see the word defeat on your screen? Then it's not over. How dare you quit just because you are losing?"

Surrender is there for a reason, to speed up the process of an already lost game. Please consider others and the state of the game before pressing no.

YormaughmAug 27, 20153 votes

There has to be a balance though.

I am usually the "never surrender" guy, even in 4 v 5s (won a few btw.) But there have been games that were going so poorly that even I voted to surrender...that we won because my teammates never gave up.

The point is "knowing when to give up" is not something that is ever truly clear. I'd wager that everyone who has played 20+ games of League of Legends has had at least 1 game they gave up on that they ended up winning. To literally come in here and say "I'm psychic and I know when we can/can't win" is kinda preposterous, might as well just flip a coin, even if it's an 80/20 coin you're still wrong 1 out of 5 times. I mean there's been pro games where teams have come back from a 12 ~ 14k gold deficit somehow. Does it happen often? No, but it does happen, and I'd guarantee that 95%+ of players would have surrendered in those games if it had been them playing (and nobody would have blamed them) but I know the teams that won those games are really glad they didn't.

People who want to give up as soon as possible (because as of this precise moment we aren't winning, which is usually when surrender votes happen) are not being fair to anyone on their team who has a champ who scales better into late game or even mid game. And a lot of people simply don't understand powerspikes (myself included if I'm being completely honest, there's 125 champions in this game and I can't pretend to know when or with what items each of them is at their most powerful relative to my team and their current items. And none of this takes into account enemy player skill and team comp, it can be possible to counter build and wildly swing the momentum.)

The general rule is I think that the first person to initiate the surrender vote is probably the most frustrated (and likely the worst performer on the team,) and the first surrender vote should almost never be accepted. I like the idea someone had elsewhere in the thread where other people could still initiate a surrender vote, but the same person was limited in doing so repeatedly. Spamming it is kinda ridiculous. Some people below were like "if you don't surrender I'll just afk" or "what about people who start telling the enemy team where you and all your wards are." At that point you're just trolling your own team (and doing things that are reportable btw.) But if I as the person who doesn't want to surrender have to keep dealing with your constant spamming I can troll you by simply not giving up, (which isn't reportable) and honestly I'm not gonna feel bad about "wasting your time." If you've already begun to be actively aggressive toward your own teammates, I'll respond passively in kind. Oh and a small percentage of the time, I'll be completely vindicated when we actually win the game, and that's what pisses these spammers off the most -- being wrong.

I've seen this debate 1,000 times, and there are people who would rather win 1 game and lose another (or possibly even lose 2 games) than have an epic 55 minute comeback win, and I don't understand why those people play LoL.

People who just want to play LoL for 20 minutes and then have the game instantly end at that mark really need to find another game to play IMO because there's so much more that happens in a game before the Victory/Defeat screen and if you're not playing for the 99.9% of the game that isn't that I just wonder about you.

FillingForeverJan 11, 20161 votes

That's because there's no payoff for dragging a game on for that long. In Ranked I can at least see a reason for that, but for normals you just dont get anything for it. If you lose the match you get the average ip given (Which is less than if you played 2 games and lost both of them). If you win the game after 50 minutes, then you get MAYBE 10-15 extra IP. That's significantly less than you played 2 20 minute matches and lost both of them. Other than that you get that tally in your win/lose record that doesn't count for anything than just being there. Just from what I've seen more often than not the game stops being fun for most teams after maybe 15 minutes. Only reason for this is there's almost no way for some players to catch up when they're behind without hurting another player on their team to do so.

CIownfaceAug 27, 20152 votes

score doesn't matter so much. So silly when people bring that up as the deciding factor of who is "useless" or "im better than you cuz look my score" It just shows at what stage of your champion's power spike you are at (on time, ahead, or behind).

And anyways a person who is 0/5 could possibly be more useful than a person who is 5/0 depending on each players knowledge of the game and mechanical skill.

BhagswagAug 27, 20151 votes

0/5 maybe more useful than 5/0?

How so?

RisenDarkKnightAug 27, 20151 votes

If an 0/5 sejuani/annie/amumu stuns the whole enemy team while the 5/0 gets cced and blown up in a teamfight or doesn't group with his team then they are more useful.

BhagswagAug 28, 20151 votes

If the 5/0 Azir walls all the enemies into the turret with his team... who's more useful?

CIownfaceAug 27, 20152 votes

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0/5 maybe more useful than 5/0?

How so?

Like i said for example: A very knowledgeable and mechanically skilled player goes 0/5 in lane because he was camped while a less skilled player goes 5/0 because he capitalized on the many mistakes his opponent made in lane. Laning phase ends and now we are in mid-game. The person 5/0 doesn't know what to do with his lead and just goes for random kills instead of pushing objectives and working towards ending the game. The 0/5 guy knowing he is behind plays safer and works with the team to secure towers and dragon.

0/5 guy more useful.

And also lets say 5/0 guy who isn't mechanically skilled groups up and joins the teamfight. 5/0 guy misses most of his abilities and prematurely runs from fight, whats the point of being fed and having all that damage if you miss it? While 0/5 guy lands all of his. So who put out more damage?

Again just an example.

I think we all prefer the 5/0 guy to be knowledgeable and skilled instead of just a lucker.

BhagswagAug 28, 20151 votes

Then you need to say that:

"A 5/0 guy who does nothing but KS, and refuses to push objectives. And the 0/5 who keeps getting KS'ed but pushed objectives."

Troll for TrumpAug 27, 20152 votes

Wow, so if you press the surrender button, you automatically have "negative attitude"? So, if I say, "don't rush BT on ADC ", I guess that might as well be verbal abuse. Yes saying, Ff@20, gg or so is negative attitude. But spamming surrender isn't.

LVL 5 POROAug 27, 20152 votes

I bet you'll change your mind when I afk ...

ipressonebuttonAug 27, 20152 votes

Because of my goal to reach gold, I will never surrender. I feel that you always have a chance to win the game. Example: Lost lane to a Varus and Morgana playing Jinx. He started the game 8-0 with other lanes losing as well. Morale was pretty low but I kept positive and encouraging my teammates. Told them that we scale a lot better than they do considering I was playing Jinx (devourer xin and Azir as well), we just needed time. Stalled the game out, defended well and when we had the chance after winning a teamfight me and azir did baron. After that we pushed our advantage and won. Just staying positive and encouraging your teammates can win you the game.

RisenDarkKnightAug 27, 20151 votes

Feel free to keep playing the never surrender way, many losing games can be turned around. However, you would probably reach gold much faster if you just surrendered every game you were losing at 20 mins and started a new one. The limit to how quickly you reach gold, assuming you are good enough, is your time not how what % of games you win. If you can get a lead in more than 50% of your games (which you should if you belong in a higher rank), than you are better off focusing on winning those games rather than dragging on losing games for a very small chance of victory. A 20 minute loss and 2 20 minute wins are better than a 60 minute come from behind victory. The team with first blood wins more than 60% of the time, first dragon/tower 70% first inhibitor 90%. Is it really worth turtling for 15 mins a 10% chance of victory after the enemy takes your inhib? Obviously there are some games where you can easily comeback (i.e. you have a better late game, you are close in gold/teamfights, etc). But never surrendering is not the fastest way to climb.

bakenhunterAug 27, 20151 votes

The typically times I will be the first to bring up the surrender vote is if the enemy team has a large turret and kill lead, also helps if this happens before the 20 min mark. Now i hardly ever bring it up in chat and I continue to ping and work with my team, But if we have all three nexuses down, they have an over 40 kill lead and they just got baron, while we haven't even gotten to their tier two turrets, after like 6 surrender votes you should kinda realize that you are only prolonging the games end.

CeronousAug 27, 20151 votes

I'm all for not surrendering over one bad teamfight, or if you can see a strategy to win (such as you see the fed adc is always out of position, you just gotta get the pick). However, when you refuse to surrender at all, ever, based on the principle of "Not one step back", I honestly should be able to report you for trolling and griefing friendly players. When a game is lost, all the time you remain in that game is time I could be spending on trying to win a different game.

In summation: Surrender is in the game for a reason, please think about the situation before blindly pressing no.

Sneak DogAug 27, 20151 votes

You can drag the surrender vote popup off-screen. Just drag it from one of its borders. I do it all the time, just typing /ff in the chat when I finally do want to surrender (and then watch that fail because someone else was spamming surrender prematurely...).

ThatToxicTrollAug 27, 20151 votes

refuse my surrender? i will feed intentionally to help you change your mind Trundle

RisenDarkKnightAug 27, 20151 votes

What is wrong with trying to surrender (multiple times)? If you are losing badly and not having any fun there is nothing wrong with trying to surrender and it should not be reportable. Obviously giving up and afking or not trying after the team starts losing is bad, but if you keep trying your hardest I dont' see how it is bad to try surrender votes. If your whole team just got aced and they enemy team got baron, is it that crazy to think your team might vote "yes" this time? If I'm getting destroyed I will keep trying to surrender. This game is meant to be fun so I use the surrender feature if I'm not having it. I will do my best to help my team if they vote no, but it's bullshit if I get reported for trying to surrender if I'm positive in chat and try my best just for initiating surrender votes when I'm playing with "never surrender" type people.