How is sona considered balanced?

GripaAviara··4 votes·1,646 views

Seriously?

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archerno111 votes

She isnt. She is considered weak.

Penns2 votes

by?

meowwow71 votes

by most of her power being poured into her passive which is gated by casting spells and considering her low mana pool and regen she has to be careful on how she access it

Penns2 votes

item 3070 = infinite mana for the rest of the game lul

archerno12 votes

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item 3070 = infinite mana for the rest of the game lul

But that means u are sacrificing a lot of early utility. Tear is 750 gold thats almost Sightstone that u delay. Not to mention coin upgrade, mobi boots. You would be just giving advantage to opponent

chipndip11 votes

Stop leading Penns astray. Build tear.

Eternal Torment1 votes

useless, and honestly stupid on Sona. It removes a slot you could use for utility or to rush a certain item (cough item 3504 cough) just so you can spam her skills more.

chipndip11 votes

Don't listen to EITHER people that responded to this and keep building that damn tear. If you're building boots, stop building boots.

Penns1 votes

Ye you dont waste a slot for tear when you dont have to waste one for boots because you spam E

eZ

chipndip11 votes

It's honestly ridiculous running around with no boots, outspeeding people with tier 2s.

Ahristocats1 votes

lol this is where i realise we're not in the same elo

Penns1 votes

lel, why?

Ahristocats1 votes

game ends by 24 min you're taking tear which cost 720 gold good luck delaying ardent when enemy support has ardent by 6 min and makes his adc stat checking your own adc

and you're also delaying sightstone so gl

Penns1 votes

i get tear after item 3504 item 2049 tho

its cheaper than tier 2 boots and if you can perma spam q e q e because of tear you dont need boots

op

Ahristocats1 votes

then the dude's point still stand, she has high mana cost and fact that you try to fixe that by buying tear after a long time doesn't matter because enemy support in the mean time doesn't have high mana cost

Penns1 votes

She does but its alright because you can legit just not put points in E in lane and be fine. And her mana costs increase with points.

Mana didnt feel like a big problem with coin tbh

archerno12 votes

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by?

By whoever decides tiers for champion. She is too squishy and her spells are weak for support.

Penns2 votes

Her W is like by far the best basic spell of all support spells ever tho.

archerno12 votes

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Her W is like by far the best basic spell of all support spells ever tho.

In what way is it best?

Penns2 votes

in every way hehe

Ahris1 votes

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She isnt. She is considered weak.

She is in no way weak. Ahri in the contrary is.

jwebb01131 votes

Ahri has a win rate 50.63% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Ahri's are earning a win rate of 55.30% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

50.63% win rate , 12.92% pick rate 3.5% ban rate on average

how is ahri weak ?

AirKingNeo1 votes

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Eternal Torment3 votes

Sona is actually surprisingly difficult once you get into playing her.

she has, i list:

  • THE lowest base stats out of all champions in the game

  • Huge manacosts for an enchanter support which can be depleded even if you buy item 3114 6 times and have full mana runes

  • Easy to land poke but insanely weak utility around it. her movement speed boost and her shield have such a low range youre basically forced to cuddle her to get some Juice from her skills, which in turn only makes champions like lux, vel, xerath and viktor VERY happy lategame, first 2 mentioned being more popular than i'd like it

  • Ultimate is literally her only reliable tool for gamechange in lane AND lategame.

  • Very feast or famine support. Sona is one of the very few supports that suffers from Riven syndrome, as i like to call it. basically if shes ahead, lol good luck. BUT if she is behind she will feed next Level without even trying to.

  • Very kill steal-ish playstyle. Honestly, Sona is the main reason why "supp 11/0/2 assist adc with lich bane" became a meme. Her Q AA passive are such feisty killsteal machines, not only does it unnerve her team, it also denies an AD carry the full gold potential they Need to get ahead themselves.

Considering all These points divided already are massively exploitable weaknesses that damage both a champ and his teamcomp, you can imagine how difficult it is to master a champion that has ALL OF THEM in one.

Sona is the only enchanter i personally consider weak, maybe unbalanced, but not op. If you wanna talk about OP support i direct you to Miss "2.95 a minute" and "The Dick tastes Purple" Janna Lulu

chipndip11 votes

Surprisingly difficult.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

Eternal Torment2 votes

Play her then and come back again.

Sona for new Players is a hurdle to master

Eternal Torment1 votes

Well shit XD

i could Keep arguing with you, but i guess you specifically do know her well. but as far as i am concerned on the public stats she is really hard to Play for newer Players, even more so if people have a daring more offensive tendency.

jwebb01131 votes

lol he is diamond sona main who has 392 w and 346 l for a 53% win rate for this season

chipndip11 votes

I hit Diamond this season in less than half that (about 300 total games). Rest of it was my trying to move from low Diamond to mid Diamond. Shit was hard. =/

Also FUCK randomly running into Tobias Fate. -_-

jwebb01131 votes

lol what is your issue with tobias fate ?

chipndip11 votes

He beat my top laner's ass and we lost because of how badly he raped him. q_q

jwebb01131 votes

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two million three hundred seven teen thousand and twenty three mastery points....

2,317,023

hmm chip ... gj and all but there are other champs lol

[sona-playing]

Ahris1 votes

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Sona is actually surprisingly difficult once you get into playing her.

she has, i list:

  • THE lowest base stats out of all champions in the game

  • Huge manacosts for an enchanter support which can be depleded even if you buy item 3114 6 times and have full mana runes

  • Easy to land poke but insanely weak utility around it. her movement speed boost and her shield have such a low range youre basically forced to cuddle her to get some Juice from her skills, which in turn only makes champions like lux, vel, xerath and viktor VERY happy lategame, first 2 mentioned being more popular than i'd like it

  • Ultimate is literally her only reliable tool for gamechange in lane AND lategame.

  • Very feast or famine support. Sona is one of the very few supports that suffers from Riven syndrome, as i like to call it. basically if shes ahead, lol good luck. BUT if she is behind she will feed next Level without even trying to.

  • Very kill steal-ish playstyle. Honestly, Sona is the main reason why "supp 11/0/2 assist adc with lich bane" became a meme. Her Q AA passive are such feisty killsteal machines, not only does it unnerve her team, it also denies an AD carry the full gold potential they Need to get ahead themselves.

Considering all These points divided already are massively exploitable weaknesses that damage both a champ and his teamcomp, you can imagine how difficult it is to master a champion that has ALL OF THEM in one.

Sona is the only enchanter i personally consider weak, maybe unbalanced, but not op. If you wanna talk about OP support i direct you to Miss "2.95 a minute" and "The Dick tastes Purple" Janna Lulu

The time when people call ahri easy and sona difficult. Idk what to say.

Sona is definitely in the stronger side than balanced, but not broken. Her w gives her whole team ardent censor passive and that is really strong you know.

Eternal Torment1 votes

Only if they all enter her near-melee ranged circle, which as commented, makes AoE champions incredibly happy to just pentakill them over.

5 man ardent is useless if you get them all killed over it

PimpStickNasus1 votes

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The time when people call ahri easy and sona difficult. Idk what to say.

Sona is definitely in the stronger side than balanced, but not broken. Her w gives her whole team ardent censor passive and that is really strong you know.

Why do you have to bring ahri into this? Second time you've done it. This isn't about ahri keep that to threads about ahri

jwebb01132 votes

im gonna go with an unpopular opinion and say she is balanced

Sona has a win rate 53.15% /9.56% pick rate with an average 0.5% ban rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Sona's are earning a win rate of 57.01% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

LoLalytics ranks Sona at 19 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Diamond.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Sona, the win rate and average rank of the best Sona players.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Sona/

sona has one damage ability Q... her W is a heal that is single target, her E is a small ms buff her auras she has to be near the front line or right next to the adc in most cases for any of it to be effective.

she is slow, squishy , has no defense , her ult is an aoe skill shot.

as someone else said she is feast or famine .... she has poke... but in terms of legit game change playing ability its hit n miss. she legit has to flash ult into someone in order to make plays

risk and reward

Ahris1 votes

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im gonna go with an unpopular opinion and say she is balanced

Sona has a win rate 53.15% /9.56% pick rate with an average 0.5% ban rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Sona's are earning a win rate of 57.01% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

LoLalytics ranks Sona at 19 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Diamond.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Sona, the win rate and average rank of the best Sona players.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Sona/

sona has one damage ability Q... her W is a heal that is single target, her E is a small ms buff her auras she has to be near the front line or right next to the adc in most cases for any of it to be effective.

she is slow, squishy , has no defense , her ult is an aoe skill shot.

as someone else said she is feast or famine .... she has poke... but in terms of legit game change playing ability its hit n miss. she legit has to flash ult into someone in order to make plays

risk and reward

Best ahri player has 55.30% winrate and ranked 92 from all champs. Sad. Ahri also being feast or famine and game changing ability being charm zzz.

Also if you look at diamond and above she has less than 50% winrate. I don't consider plat players good. Ahri also has high pickrate because of her new skin.

Edit: You consider Sona balanced but ahri has less winrate than the best sona or the average winrate. Using your data either Ahri has to be weak or Sons has to be strong

PimpStickNasus1 votes

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Best ahri player has 55.30% winrate and ranked 92 from all champs. Sad. Ahri also being feast or famine and game changing ability being charm zzz.

Also if you look at diamond and above she has less than 50% winrate. I don't consider plat players good. Ahri also has high pickrate because of her new skin.

Edit: You consider Sona balanced but ahri has less winrate than the best sona or the average winrate. Using your data either Ahri has to be weak or Sons has to be strong

Where did he say ahri was strong?

Ahris1 votes

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Where did he say ahri was strong?

From his comment from other thread he thinks Ahri is balanced. However in this post clearly sona has higher average and mastered winrate than ahri. Much higher and he goes with unpopular opinion that she is balsnced. LOOOOOOOOOOOLL. People are such sooo biased and sooo mean sometimes.

jwebb01131 votes

not bias... ahri is clearly balanced.

supports win rates are more so determined on the team then their individual. and its not sona that isnt balanced. there were support items that werent balanced. lets not blame the champ for the items

item 3301 item 3504

Xion The XIV1 votes

She is kinda beyond balanced especially with Ardent Censer. With it's unique passive going off on Heals and Shields. In which she is one of the Few if only support that can AOE shield the entire team to proc the passive with 1 skill. The only other Support that can do is are Soraka with Ult and Janna with Ult. While Sona can proc it with W.

King of Demons2 votes

She is extremely good at applying Ardent to her entire team since it's very easy BUT she is short ranged and the squishiest champion in the game. Where's the problem?

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Explain how she isn't.

Shirvallah1 votes

Would you like to provide some insight as to why you believe she's not balanced, or would you rather assume that we have the slightest clue as to why you personally think she's not balanced?

Darkdemon6531 votes

She isn't. She needs some heavy buffs.

Raoul1 votes

I agree once you get her mana costs under controle, Sona gets insane. But if you dont reach that point in the game fast enough, you are useless.

Sona is really Binary. There are only 2 scenarios with a Sona on your team: Scenario 1: Your Botlane fell behind early, Sona is behind in Items. Sona is constantly OOM and useless. Scenario 2: Your Botlane got ahead early, Sona got her core Items and is able to spam her abilities 24/7 without having to worry about her mana, therefore applying the broken buff of item 3504 to the whole team all the time, making your team nearly unstopable because everyone in your team has 1.5k gold worth of free stats at all times.

FantasySniper1 votes

Because Ardent Censer isn't.

Colgate Gator1 votes

Because she has perfect tempo.

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