I'm tired of having to defend my picks

Kovah·Aug 26, 2016·67 votes·4,150 views

I'm not in Diamond, I'm in low plat. I'm tired of having to defend my picks because people think you are trolling and don't want to win unless you pick the same boring meta champs over and over again. I play a LOT of Renekton jungle. Is he the BEST JUNGLER EVER? No. I never said he was. But he is viable, and I play it a ton. I am good with Renekton and ALWAYS do well when I jungle him. I get harassed every single time I pick it. People think I don't even want to win because of it. What? How does that even make sense. I play this game for fun while also enjoying the competitive side of it. That being said, I like trying to win WITH Renekton jungle. If it was an actual troll pick, like Varus jungle, then I understand because thats just simply not viable. But its not. I actually think he does amazing in the jungle. So please, just SHUT UP about people picking off meta champs. You sound like a sheep and its pathetic now.

109 Comments

HawkefireAug 27, 201621 votes

I somewhat disagree.

Personally if I see someone hover over Renekton jungle (for example), I would ask them, "are you sure you want to do that? Renekton jungle isn't really that good and has pretty subpar clearing speeds and ganking potential."

There are also instances where people might ask for confirmation that you are indeed going jungle, because Renekton is almost exclusively seen in the top lane.

Now this doesn't give people the right to be assholes towards you for going Renekton jungle, but you have to understand that they have good reason to be skeptical of you and your ability because Renekton jungle really isn't that good, and is rarely ever seen.

KovahAug 27, 20167 votes

I have no problem explaining to someone what I'm doing. Unfortunately people don't act like that. 1 in every 10 people actually just verify what you are doing. The other 9 go right to "screw this noob troll feeder im going to harass him throughout the lobby and blame every mistake for the next 40 mins on him"

Battlecast SonaAug 27, 201613 votes

The actual problem is that while "Renekton jungle isn't really that good" may be totally valid, if this guy plays of lot of that role he probably knows how to minimize those weaknesses with skilled gameplay, runes and masteries, and gank paths/clear paths that are specialized for what he's doing, even if it's as simple as having a good path that you take and making sure to kill all your small minions. The difference between a very skilled slightly subpar pick to a baseline level not that skilled meta pick is astoundingly in favor of the very skilled slightly subpar pick, and people need to realize this.

KovahAug 27, 20163 votes

shhhhhh wanna know one of the secrets? looks around start W and golems. Smite before first AA, then AA again. Then use W which applies 2 on hits and stuns. Then 2 more aa and hes already stunned again. Use that when completing first clear and they are stunned as long as they are hitting you =)

YJRBqwXJcSAug 26, 20168 votes

i'd rather have renekton than lee sin or shaco

Jeanne fan clubAug 27, 20168 votes

Biggest problem in NA right now is the amount of meta slaves. This is why Koreans are better players, that's where about 90% of the theorycrafting comes from. There are people in masters+ in korea who only play tank tf support.

Meta slaves are one of the biggest problems in league right now in my opinion. There are so many good champions that are borderline op, but since the top 10 koreans in the world didn't say that champion is good, no one thinks that champion is worth the time. Fiddlesticks for example. He can be borderline op, its just why play fiddle when Gragas is in every LCS game? Gragas has to be better right? And that right there is the mentality of the community. If you truly dedicate your time to a certain champion, no matter how bad their stats are, you will end up coming out with about a ~60% winrate, assuming you have actually put in the time to master them.

colesyAug 26, 20167 votes

why do you even care what other people say

i went on a gold smurf, played tristana jg and got called a troll and autistic and we won the game lol

ElikainAug 26, 201616 votes

ADC jungle doesn't really work. You have such a weak clear and against a jungler that doesn't have these problems, you can very well get invaded or CJ'd early and that's pretty much over for you. Kog and Twitch jungle i see as niche picks and can work because of their kits. Others, not at all.

i went on a gold smurf, played tristana jg

You indirectly confirmed that you were trolling. You wouldn't be smurfing on Tristana jungle if you were sure of your pick and put your real ELO on the line but instead you chickened out and decided to risk in on an account that isn't your main. What you did is essentially gambled with someone else's ELO and that's the usage of smurfs that i am against. Riot is too.

Doesn't matter if you won the game or not, switching to a smurf to avoid a punishment or try something you'd never do in your real ELO for fun, in a ranked match bellow your skill level is something i'd personally report you for.

colesyAug 26, 20168 votes

yeah, adc jungles dont work, thats why people play kog/twitch/kindred/graves, lul

i wasn't trolling at all either, i'd been playing a bunch of tristana jungle in normals and wanted to give it a go in ranked on a throwaway account. sure, I wasn't too fussed about whether i lost or not but i did actually put effort in, because I wasn't trying to "avoid punishment", I was trying to use tristana jungle in a serious ranked environment without compromising the ranking on one of my diamond accounts.

besides, in dumpster elos like gold and plat i could troll as much as i wanted and i'd still stomp the enemy team out of existence, it's not like gold games are hard to win.

ElikainAug 26, 201612 votes

Kindred is a Marksmen jungler and Graves works in there because the more pellets hit, the more damage he deals and he has a natural knockback for minions and monsters when he shoots them. All 4 of those you mentioned are special cases. If you played any of them, i'd have no problem with your comment but you picked Tristana, which relies so much on items - she is a hypercarry. The rockier the start with her, the more time you need to scale in a particular game.

because I wasn't trying to "avoid punishment"

I didn't say you were trying to avoid a punishment. I said that your usage of your smurf falls under the same problem Riot is trying to prevent. You even admitted that yourself:

I was trying to use tristana jungle in a serious ranked environment without compromising the ranking on one of my diamond accounts.

You compromised someone else's ELO in Gold with your way risky Tristana jungle pick and you didn't put your ELO on the line to do it. That's the problem. You gambled with someone else's ELO and you remained safe. You don't get to do that.

besides, in dumpster elos like gold and plat i could troll as much as i wanted and i'd still stomp the enemy team out of existence, it's not like gold games are hard to win.

It doesn't matter if you consider that ELO garbage or not, it's someone else's real ELO that people like you end up smurfing in with ridiculous troll picks. You are intentionally taking a steamy dump in someone else's ranked environment, all because you feel like you want to experiment with things in a ranked environment but you just don't want to ruin your ELO in the process. You are a part of the problem of why lower ELO games are out of whack.

colesyAug 26, 20163 votes

but i didn't compromise someone else's elo, I won the game. unless you mean the enemy team, but I mean one team has to lose, lol?

i don't even know why you're mad, what's the problem with ranking an extra account and wanting to practice non meta picks? it's not a troll pick if I'm actually putting effort in, you're basically saying higher rank players wanting to try off meta things in low elo is a problem, but I don't see what the problem is. it's the same with if I were to rank an account to learn a secondary role (I was playing adc on this account too which I never play on my main), the whole point is me trying to improve at a steady rate without tanking my main's mmr by experimenting and "compromising someone else's ELO" in my main elo.

ElikainAug 27, 20165 votes

The problem i have with you is that you're actively avoiding using your real diamond account and accepting non-meta picks with all upsides and downsides but you're essentially using your low ELO accounts to "practice" in their ranked, because you don't consider that ELO worthy of your skills, meaning you think you can get away with a lot of shit and that you won't get punished for that.

I don't believe that you're ranking up on those low ELO smurfs at all, you're using them as training wheels. You don't care what happens to the ELO on your smurfs at all. You are gambling with someone else's ELO because if you are the high ELO smurfing at least, that means 4 other people might be people who actually belong in that ELO and have to suffer through your non-meta picks. I honestly don't have an idea whether you're trying to win those games or not but since you said "i'm testing non-meta picks on my lower ELO smurfs", i tend to gravitate towards you not caring whether you win or lose those games at all.

Having a smurf is not your right, it's a privilege. I myself have 6 smurfs and i made them specifically because my friends have started joining League at various points in time and i didn't want the matchmaker to mix and match various levels and them having a bad experience the moment they were starting to play the game. But none of my smurfs have been active for years and i always use just one account to play the game.

##You on the other hand are ruining the competitive integrity for lower ELO players the way you use yours.

colesyAug 27, 20163 votes

what? not worthy? the whole point of it is practicing the non meta stuff so that I can actually see if I can play it at a diamond level or not. if I climb, then yeah I can play it at diamond, if not, then well I guess I can't.

and no, I actually power ranked my first smurf to diamond by playing my main role, it's only my second smurf I'm using to experiment with, and I want to get that one in to d5 at some point too for the border. I don't understand how low elo people are "suffering" through my non-meta pick either, I'm playing perfectly seriously and if we lose then well we lost a game I tried to win, and if we win, then we won a game I tried to win with my non meta pick. sure, I don't care whether the game is a win or a loss but I am actively trying to win the games because the whole point is me trying to see if I can win a game with a non meta pick.

besides, my main is a non meta pick right now, so are you saying that I'm trolling on my diamond accounts too? LOL.

Oakleaf RangerAug 27, 20164 votes

Your not trolling per say, but your definitely putting your team at a disadvantage. If the enemy actually knows how to play to the weaknesses of your "off meta" picks which tend to have obvious and easily exploitable ones . I just had a game where I was mid vs a Xin. I dumpstered him because I knew exactly how to play against it. I just kited him to death, made him go OOM, and gang banged him with my jungler. Picking tristana jg is basically saying I don't respect my opponents enough to play a serious champion for my role and think I can still win with a handicap in a environment where everyone is trying to win to the best of their ability.

KingKong2350Aug 27, 20163 votes

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what? not worthy? the whole point of it is practicing the non meta stuff so that I can actually see if I can play it at a diamond level or not. if I climb, then yeah I can play it at diamond, if not, then well I guess I can't.

You know how you can tell if you can play the pick at diamond level or not? Play it on your diamond main you twit.

colesyAug 27, 20161 votes

yes, let me play an off role and a champion I rarely play and an off meta pick all on my main account and sabotage my team's chance of victory. sounds good.

Tentacle AdvisorAug 27, 20162 votes

{quoted}...and sabotage my team's chance of victory. sounds good.

It's funny how you can say this and still believe that what you're doing is okay. You are literally saying that the off-meta picks you are going with won't work in your Diamond ELO, which is completely contradicting the fact that you stated you were using your lower ELO accounts to test its viability in Diamond ELO.

It is clear that you are aware that the pick isn't viable in your actual ELO, so what does you playing it in a lower ELO game change? "Nothing" is the answer. All you're doing is gambling the other players' ELO for your own satisfaction/amusement. Smurfing for the sake of playing with friends is one thing. Smurfing for the sake of not risking your main accounts ELO is another story entirely and it is the one thing concerning Smurfs that I wholeheartedly loathe.

KingKong2350Aug 29, 20161 votes

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yes, let me play an off role and a champion I rarely play and an off meta pick all on my main account and sabotage my team's chance of victory. sounds good.

You are contradicting yourself. You are literally doing this but with people who you think arent worthy of winning. How does this not strike you as hypocrisy?

colesyAug 29, 20161 votes

but i'm not sabotaging my low elo team mates because I'm better than all of them and will probably contribute more to winning the game than they ever will even if they use meta picks.

KingKong2350Sep 3, 20161 votes

But you arent playing your best. You are sabotaging and you are using some stupid idea of superiority to justify it

ShrîkeAug 27, 20161 votes

Twitch and kog would probably work in low elo, doubt it would anywhere else and they're incredibly niche. You'd have to pick them into a low early impact jungle like ww otherwise you'd get counter jungle so hard.

GayFluffyUnicornAug 27, 20161 votes

Kog jungle just wrecks. Seriously.

Captain AishiAug 27, 20161 votes

I used to play jungle ashe before her rework and there's a game I first blooded a challenger reksai trying to invade me at redbuff. then proceeded to take over the game (ashe jungle was awful if you didn't know the proper itemization and how to kite camps with frost shot, but I made it work quite well) sadly new jungle itemization just doesn't work for her anymore X(

Only Play DariusAug 27, 20166 votes

Sometimes I hit people with that cheese Darius jungle although I hardly play jungle anymore

ElikainAug 26, 20165 votes

You don't have to justify your pick to anyone but you sure as hell can't expect that everyone knows that Renekton jg is a sleeper pick. This isn't about what's in the meta or not, it's about what people know for sure works and what they've never seen before. Soraka jungle might work on super rare occasions but even i'd be suspicious and probably dodged the game if the guy in question was adamant in playing her there.

Linking your match history in the chat also doesn't work on me as you might be sure in your skills and are willing to bet your ELO on the line but i am not ready to take that risk. All in all, i'm no meta enforcer and i understand that there are a lot of other viable champions in roles that aren't getting any LCS screen time but i don't believe in champions i've never seen in those roles.

ZT XperimentorAug 27, 20164 votes

It's why I refer to them as meta-maniacs, they go nuts if you pick anything not meta, lol.

venomous frostAug 26, 20163 votes

how to justify everything you do: /mute all

Rock MDAug 26, 20163 votes

People want you to pick meta champions because they (understandably) want to win and a properly played meta champion will maximize your chances of success.

That being said most people don't play meta champs properly or play comfort picks significantly better. If it ever comes up, say, "I main this and I'm comfortable on it." Then link your op.gg. Then let your play do the talking.

VeuillezAug 27, 20163 votes

I'd rather have varus jungle

KovahAug 27, 20161 votes

+1 I lol'ed

Ivern and IreliaAug 27, 20163 votes

Varus jg is actually good tho

morris1Aug 27, 20163 votes

Expected this comment.

######Give me the build. Maybe I'll try it out later.

Ivern and IreliaAug 27, 20161 votes

item 1400 item 3006 item 3085 item 3508 item 3072 ( or item 3142 item 3071 item 3812 item 3036 for a more armor pen oriented build) As with any adc build you can switch some things around or substitute depending on the game, but when i go varus jg it typically looks something like these two. If you can kite decently your clear should be okay due to your w. Ganking is pretty easy due to your Q and R, and youll pretty much just go the rest of your game playing as a wandering adc.

Korica RiftaxeAug 27, 20163 votes

That's the sort of community you get when a game company enforces a meta so strongly that it hasn't changed in 5 years, and designs all their Champions with such similar kits that the only question a person usually asks is "Who is currently the most OP <role>?"

SpoofghoulAug 27, 20163 votes

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just SHUT UP about people picking off meta champs. You sound like a sheep and its pathetic.

would have upvoted for this alone, + 1¼ upvote

DealthAug 27, 20162 votes

Yeah last game we had a Lucian mid. I didn't say anything and trusted him.

He actually went 14/2/4 that game. Actually no, that was me. Lucian mid was 1/14/6.

We lost that one.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 27, 20162 votes

renekton jungle isn't top tier obviously. but hes just as good in the jungle as rengar or kha zix. all of them have subar clear and take too much damage from the creeps but it can be done

barbarianskullAug 27, 20162 votes

I would op.gg the guy in champselect that hovered a sub-par pick, and see if they are trolling.

tooomineAug 27, 20162 votes

I'm not in plat. I don't know the elo well. but you do have to communicate with your team, man. that's a given. your statline (if you're actually performing well with renekton jungle) should be enough. tell them to look up your kda or stop talking about it.

maybe realize, too, that your actions are gonna have an affect on your team. instead of complaining about your teammates (like you've done here) maybe adjust your actions to affect a positive outcome.

l Helios lAug 27, 20162 votes

I don't mind off-meta picks, I just feel more skeptical of them. I'm not gonna hate on you for playing full AP Mundo mid, but I want to just know you know what you're doing is all. If we get to 15 minutes and you're 15/0/6, great! If you're feeding hard later on, I won't harass you, but I'll be a little salty next time I see Mundo mid.

I just hate ADC top laners. That shit is so annoying

BârdAug 27, 20162 votes

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WolfChasesAug 26, 20161 votes

My best friend who was Diamond 1 in season 5 and is Challenger now in season 3 played Renekton jungle few times and he did well. I was at his home when he played and I was amazed.

III BAKURYU III Aug 26, 20166 votes

Damage sustain Q point and click Stun every 5-10 secs
E twice to lockdown lanes and easier for ganks Ult when need to tank tower for kills Seems garbage if you ask me