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@Xypherous I have an issue with the jungler itemization so far as end game. This is getting worse.

hashinshin··2 votes·922 views

Okay so about a year ago (probably a year ago) I said aWW passive item should be made. Then Feral Flare happened. Yay! Right? Except not. Because only junglers could use it. Meaning only junglers could get a proper scaling end game on Warwick. This locked Warwick in to the jungle completely since .... well obvious reasons.

But things keep happening to strengthen that. Kha'zix got +20% damage to the jungle and is now being balanced on that, say goodbye to ever laning Kha'zix again! Then Sion got balanced so that he could literally never reach the same HP laning as he could jungling (often ending 300-400 HP lower if he laned.) Both of these are some bullshit if you ask me.

HOWEVER... now there's an item that once again scales infinitely and now scales even harder since it gives +2 magic damage per kill/assist. That's ridiculous. Now WW is once again being balanced for the jungle (even getting NERFED) and will never see the laning phase again. Worse yet though is that the best brutalizer upgrade is now jungler only, there is a jungler only tank buff off Gromp that makes jungle tanks blatantly superior to laning tanks, and worst of all is that you can't even use this items without smite, nor gain access to the buffs.

There is a growing disparity between junglers and laners, and since top laners especially share a common pool with junglers there are many top laners getting nerfed directly for their ability to jungle or use jungle items, and many more being balanced against the jungle buffs.

Why can't Sion lane? Why can't WW lane? Why can't laners get access to the gromp buff? Why can't laners get access to late game on-hit builds? Why do junglers scale infinitely compared to laners? Why is Wit's End like 1/3 as powerful as the new jungle item?

Junglers now make the best split pushers, the best tanks, the best on-hit builds.

Worse yet is the 8% damage from dragon has powercreeped damage, AGAIN.

5 Comments

TheFallenShaw2 votes

take smite instead of ignight, their I fixed your problem

hashinshin2 votes

How is Youmuss better than the warrior upgrade? The warrior item makes you smite in to either 20% less damage from the ADC, or 70 true damage to whoever you want. (Hell, both at the same time!)

Also, what the hell are you talking about with the jungler Sion versus laning phase sion thing? I've kept track of my HP at end game top versus jungle. It's 300 more in the jungle nearly every game. Jungle ends at ~1000, top ends at ~700. Everyone can easily play and find this out, it's not like jungling is some special skill. Don't use personal anecdotes when you don't even ... well track stats or do anything.

Vincendra1 votes

How is Youmuss better than the warrior upgrade? The warrior item makes you smite in to either 20% less damage from the ADC, or 70 true damage to whoever you want. (Hell, both at the same time!)

Also, what the hell are you talking about with the jungler Sion versus laning phase sion thing? I've kept track of my HP at end game top versus jungle. It's 300 more in the jungle nearly every game. Jungle ends at ~1000, top ends at ~700. Everyone can easily play and find this out, it's not like jungling is some special skill. Don't use personal anecdotes when you don't even ... well track stats or do anything.

You get 10 more ARP. You get an Active, which helps you sticking without sacrificing a summonerspell needed to control objectives (dragon or baronfights, evne fights for buffs). Critting in your passive is MASSIVE.

And I did track my stats. Its maybe because I play sion very gankoriented and from 20 mins on my jungle gets scavanged by mid/bot or the enemy.

I top out on W Stacks on top lane on an avarege 200 more then in jungle, simply because I cannot farm that much any more after 20 mins because I'd rather gank or TF, while I can splitpush with TP as a toplaner.

Vincendra1 votes

Sion is better in Lane. Yomuus is defently better then the Warrior upgrade, since the Active helps him with sticking or while in the passive. You cannot AFK farm the jungle as Sion, and I end up with more HP on W everytime I'm in top compared to jungle, since I spent way more time ganking then farming. Also Jungle Itemisation doesn't give me the stickyness I can achive with toplane Itemisation.

Linna Excel1 votes

Ban Warwick. His win rate is too high for my liking.

and worst of all is that you can't even use this items without smite, nor gain access to the buffs.

Take smite on a laner, use it on cannon minions until you upgrade the item.

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