First off he builds hex and suddenly most mages lose to him Any jungler with a brain can gank him multiple times and pretty much guarantee kills. He just seems so braindead for someone who is supposed to be countered by range
Kelg2 votesplay a bruiser/tank mid who can shove and bring 
ez pz
both work really well into him and garen can roam easy. Sometimes you just have to play outside the box.
yamacchi1 votes
If they would let you Cleanse his ult again too.
Succubús GF1 votestoo bad stopwatch is at 10 minutes..
Modl Ryden l1 votes
If they would let you Cleanse his ult again too.
You were able to QSS his ulti off since it stated it removed all 'debuffs.' Now it explicitly says to remove all 'crowd control debuffs.'
Silly Neeko1 votesJust remember, when he ulties he is most vulnerable:
He will always appear on the other side of you as his ulties shadow.
DaTrout771 votesThe main thing i would say (from a zed main point of view) dont get poked out, as zed its difficult to get anything done if you cant consistently poke in laning phase. If zed cant poke you then he cant exactly shove the lane atleast without taking decent dmg and he most certainly cant kill you in one combo unless he is almost a full item ahead of you.
Also remember that lethality is kinda useless if you build armor, so build ninja tabis and zhonyas and he wont be able to one shot you without a ton of counterplay.
Remember where he puts his shadows (i cant tell you how many times ive gotten free kills because people forget)
Most mages outscale zed and are designed to be team fight champs, so play to your strengths and dont play super aggro in lane just wait and outscale.
Check out his cds on his w and try to get a feel for when it will be back up, he always has to make a decision between mobility, wave clear, or poke (some might overlap) but basically its a long cd and he cant do much without it so fight him when its on cd and back off when its off cd.
Succubús GF1 votesi actually just played a zed game his cds are practically non existant (lv 16 ult is 30 seconds LMAO) idk he doesnt seem to have a whole lot of counterplay so i think ill just start banning him
DaTrout771 votes[{quoted}](name=Toki Lily,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=plXp1qMw,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-11-20T01:15:41.799+0000)
i actually just played a zed game his cds are practically non existant (lv 16 ult is 30 seconds LMAO) idk he doesnt seem to have a whole lot of counterplay so i think ill just start banning him
I mean you can do what ever you want but when i was talking about cds i was talking about his w cd because he cant do much without it and i was mostly talking about laning phase.
Personally i think zed has a ton of counterplay (sure not the most and definitely not the least) for example i would say zed has more counter play than eve.
SwiftKitten882 votesThe main thing i would say (from a zed main point of view) dont get poked out, as zed its difficult to get anything done if you cant consistently poke in laning phase. If zed cant poke you then he cant exactly shove the lane atleast without taking decent dmg and he most certainly cant kill you in one combo unless he is almost a full item ahead of you.
you cant outpoke a zed.. becuase mages have to manage mana, and all of zed abilities are effectively free unless he wants to use them all at once because they run off energy.. every time a mage "goes even" in a trade with zed... they lose because they wont get that mana back until they recall. normally we want to build mana on our frist back.. zed makes us forgo that as we need a 
... this pushes us even further behind as he then buys 
the whole idea of "poking zed" donest work unless u have infinite resource, because ZED does
Also remember that lethality is kinda useless if you build armor, so build ninja tabis and zhonyas and he wont be able to one shot you without a ton of counterplay.
LOL no.. he still will. because you lose any trades because u either have no mana... or you have no armor. its a lose/lose but not quite as badly
armor is just the "lose not quite as badly" option.. its not a "counter"
Remember where he puts his shadows (i cant tell you how many times ive gotten free kills because people forget) this is certainly good advice for new players.. but we are already doing this. all its going to do is stop him from getting 100% free damage off you. it still donest give you any sort of way to take advantage of him
Most mages outscale zed and are designed to be team fight champs, so play to your strengths and dont play super aggro in lane just wait and outscale.
you just said "try to poke him out" and now your saying "dont go hard and try to outscale" you're contradicting YOURSELF, you cant out-trade zed if he players correctly
Check out his cds on his w and try to get a feel for when it will be back up, he always has to make a decision between mobility, wave clear, or poke (some might overlap) but basically its a long cd and he cant do much without it so fight him when its on cd and back off when its off cd.
that works great in theory, except.. any good zed KNOWS when his W is on cooldown.. and wont position himself in a position where u can take advantage of this.
zed has a massive advantage the entirely laning phase, as well as one get out of jail free card.
zed would have to completely fuck up to lose to a mage.
the most u can do to zed as a mage is hope to go even, or hope he flat out cant play zed..
because u start as a disadvatange and until you have both your mana item and your , zed really has full reign.
all you can really do is try to not feed him until you get those 2 items, or just hope he completely fucks up.
DaTrout772 votesyou cant outpoke a zed.. becuase mages have to manage mana, and all of zed abilities are effectively free unless he wants to use them all at once because they run off energy.. every time a mage "goes even" in a trade with zed... they lose because they wont get that mana back until they recall. normally we want to build mana on our frist back.. zed makes us forgo that as we need a
the whole idea of "poking zed" donest work unless u have infinite resource, because ZED does
LOL no.. he still will. because you lose any trades because u either have no mana... or you have no armor. its a lose/lose but not quite as badly
armor is just the "lose not quite as badly" option.. its not a "counter" this is certainly good advice for new players.. but we are already doing this. all its going to do is stop him from getting 100% free damage off you. it still donest give you any sort of way to take advantage of him
you just said "try to poke him out" and now your saying "dont go hard and try to outscale" you're contradicting YOURSELF, you cant out-trade zed if he players correctly
that works great in theory, except.. any good zed KNOWS when his W is on cooldown.. and wont position himself in a position where u can take advantage of this.
zed has a massive advantage the entirely laning phase, as well as one get out of jail free card.
zed would have to completely fuck up to lose to a mage.
the most u can do to zed as a mage is hope to go even, or hope he flat out cant play zed..
because u start as a disadvatange and until you have both your mana item and your
all you can really do is try to not feed him until you get those 2 items, or just hope he completely fucks up.
Im not going to argue, because for the most part everything you said was either just flat out wrong or was fueled by your bias against zed.
I just want to point out some logic errors. If you consider energy to be a limitless resource then so is mana, since both can eventually be fully regenerated. Also buying puts zed just as far behind maybe even further behind than a mage buying since for one maw is incredibly bad and relatively useless while zhonyas is almost a standard item for mages whether your going against an assassin or not, the only downside is that you have to build it slightly earlier. Zed can only really poke or all in with his w which during laning phase has about a 15 sec cd, so he can definitely be poked out, considering most mages have shorter cds on their poke and the have the same if not more range. Poking zed out and not going ham are completly different things and is most certainly not a contradictory tip. Have a good day.
SwiftKitten881 votesIm not going to argue, because for the most part everything you said was either just flat out wrong or was fueled by your bias against zed.
im not baised against 
im simply pointing out facts
I just want to point out some logic errors. If you consider energy to be a limitless resource then so is mana, since both can eventually be fully regenerated.
.... no... they cant. like seriously, have u ever played a champion with mana before..
zed can poke with his abilities and use his energy to wave clear, this gives zed a much easier time csing.
if mages try to atch this and use their abilties to CS AND wave clear then they are going to run oom
Also buying puts zed just as far behind maybe even further behind than a mage buying since for one maw is incredibly
bad and relatively useless while zhonyas is almost a standard item for mages whether your going against an assassin or not, the only downside is that you have to build it slightly earlier. Zed can only really poke or all in with his w which during laning phase has about a 15 sec cd, so he can definitely be poked out, considering most mages have shorter cds on their poke and the have the same if not more range. Poking zed out and not going ham are completly different things and is most certainly not a contradictory tip. Have a good day.
... i didnt say build 
i said build
there is zero way any mage is going to have even 
active by the time of your first ulti.. let alone
yes IF the mage can stay alive and not feed and stay even in CS, then after the mage gets AND their mana item. then they can go even with zed. but just not feeding and and staying even in CS is very difficult when up against a zed who has every advantage in laning phase
mages vs other mages can build mana first and stay even in mana.. mages cant build mana vs first zed or they DIE
also.. MOST mages DON'T just "grab " UNLESS they see a .
obvoiusly if there is an opposing zed every freaking AP champ in the game is goign to grab a .
they build it BECUASE your playing zed... it donest mean they would "normally build it".
and what is this "zed can only poke with his W
none of the freaking mages have a "blink" they can use to poke from complete safety... they get in ability range... u dont NEED to send out your W to poke. u can walk uyp there and if your stuck .. u can use your W to escape or dodge thier abiltiy
either way.. u lose nothing and long as u dont get hit... and if u made them throw a ability at you... thats mana they just lost and wont get back until they leave lane..
AGAIN becuase when facing a zed.. mages cant build "mana" first
90% of zed's adavtage is he forces the mages who dont have enough mana to trade get poked out... or use that mana to trade.. and eventually mages will run out of mana forceing the back... and zed with eenergy wont... so as long as u play properly.. u NATRUEALLY win the trade.
to made matters even worse for mages... we have to forgo our mana item to grab . this puts us even further behind.
DaTrout771 votesim not baised against
im simply pointing out facts
.... no... they cant. like seriously, have u ever played a champion with mana before..
zed can poke with his abilities and use his energy to wave clear, this gives zed a much easier time csing.
if mages try to atch this and use their abilties to CS AND wave clear then they are going to run oom
Also buying
... i didnt say build
there is zero way any mage is going to have even
yes IF the mage can stay alive and not feed and stay even in CS, then after the mage gets
mages vs other mages can build mana first and stay even in mana.. mages cant build mana vs first zed or they DIE
also.. MOST mages DON'T just "grab
obvoiusly if there is an opposing zed every freaking AP champ in the game is goign to grab a
they build it BECUASE your playing zed... it donest mean they would "normally build it".
and what is this "zed can only poke with his W
none of the freaking mages have a "blink" they can use to poke from complete safety... they get in ability range... u dont NEED to send out your W to poke. u can walk uyp there and if your stuck .. u can use your W to escape or dodge thier abiltiy
either way.. u lose nothing and long as u dont get hit... and if u made them throw a ability at you... thats mana they just lost and wont get back until they leave lane..
AGAIN becuase when facing a zed.. mages cant build "mana" first
90% of zed's adavtage is he forces the mages who dont have enough mana to trade get poked out... or use that mana to trade.. and eventually mages will run out of mana forceing the back... and zed with eenergy wont... so as long as u play properly.. u NATRUEALLY win the trade.
to made matters even worse for mages... we have to forgo our mana item to grab
k bud, i was actually thinking you were serious in your first comment but now i see you just trolling for the laughs. Have a good day.
SwiftKitten881 votesk bud, i was actually thinking you were serious in your first comment but now i see you just trolling for the laughs. Have a good day.
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im sorry but if u cant figure out the advantage zed has u need to try out some other mid laners vs him, then you are delusional
mages have to manage thier recourse VERY carefully until they complete thier mana item... this means until that item is complete zed has an advantage. zed and most other mid laners also make it you need to DELAY that mana item to surive becuase u need to rush .
and with zed... that sually means actaulling grabbing a full
this SIGNIFICANTLY delays you while zed has to worry about nothing
THAT is the issue.
im not saying "zed is op" im saying that vs any AP mid laner that uses mana.. he has a large advantage until the mages complete both and their mana item. at which point if they mage didnt feed or fell way behind in CS the mage can overtake zed.
if zed usd his advantage properly and snowballed by using this advatage to get a lead .. then he stays ahead.
its the mages job to try to not feed him or fall behind until they reach that point where they can effectively fight him.
its aggravating to do... buts its completely do able IF you manage your mana VERY closely and you are very good at CSing without abilties with the low AA damage of mages.
zed is given the early advantage.. but if he cant make use of that advantage then he will get outclassed as the games goes on.
I am not baised vs zed..
i think he can be aggravating to deal with at times... but right now... i would MUCH rather see an opposing zed over about 15 other champions.
he may be annoying but DOES have counterplay. and even when he has a massive lead, he isn't going to 1v5.
i am merely pointing out that most of his counterplay donest exist unless u have the recourses to do that.. and that means u have the mana to fight him, and u have a .
until u have those.. if they zed players properly, your going to need some serious outplays to beat him
DaTrout771 votes....
im sorry but if u cant figure out the advantage zed has u need to try out some other mid laners vs him, then you are delusional
mages have to manage thier recourse VERY carefully until they complete thier mana item... this means until that item is complete zed has an advantage. zed and most other mid laners also make it you need to DELAY that mana item to surive becuase u need to rush
and with zed... that sually means actaulling grabbing a
this SIGNIFICANTLY delays you while zed has to worry about nothing
THAT is the issue.
im not saying "zed is op" im saying that vs any AP mid laner that uses mana.. he has a large advantage until the mages complete both
if zed usd his advantage properly and snowballed by using this advatage to get a lead .. then he stays ahead.
its the mages job to try to not feed him or fall behind until they reach that point where they can effectively fight him.
its aggravating to do... buts its completely do able IF you manage your mana VERY closely and you are very good at CSing without abilties with the low AA damage of mages.
zed is given the early advantage.. but if he cant make use of that advantage then he will get outclassed as the games goes on.
I am not baised vs zed..
i think he can be aggravating to deal with at times... but right now... i would MUCH rather see an opposing zed over about 15 other champions.
he may be annoying but DOES have counterplay. and even when he has a massive lead, he isn't going to 1v5.
i am merely pointing out that most of his counterplay donest exist unless u have the recourses to do that.. and that means u have the mana to fight him, and u have a
until u have those.. if they zed players properly, your going to need some serious outplays to beat him
LOL good one, you got me. I fell for your trolling at the start, you dont need to keep trying. Maybe if you actually tried zed or atleast wasnt a silver 5 E-Gurl that only plays female champs, then maybe you might have an understanding of the game.
OneMustFall1 votesI mean I decimate Zed everytime I play against him but I tend to build items like 
and 
on everyone lol
Armor nullfies Zed's killing power pretty hard. Also the best thing to do when Zed ults you is do get away from him so he can't continue doing more damage. The more damage he does to you after he ults the more his ult does. Make him burn his ult and then burst him down.
FéliXXX1 votesyou dont even have to be better than him since s8/9 were realized just build armor and lear wave management zed is so easy to beat in lane either that or play him to understand him or watch some1 who plays him
Modl Ryden l1 votesAlso countering Zed regards some knowledge on how the Zed players position. To be more specific, you mustn't position yourself between him or his shadows as all of his damage comes from multiple Razor Shurikens landing while his Death Mark is on you. Any other damage such as Duskblade procs, Electrocute or Dark Harvest procs, are all supplemental but the main portion of the damage that "fills" his Death mark is from his Q.
Really if you can flash or dash away from his shadows then you've pretty much countered his ulti.
And if you're running Zhonya's you really just want to enter stasis after he puts Death Mark on you. The damage comes from the damage he stacks until it pops. So if you don't let him stack up the damage before the pop, the pop does like a basic attacks worth of damage. And generally inbetween the time it takes to reveal himself, ulti, wait for stasis to time out, 5 or such seconds would have already been passed and Duskblade can no longer proc and therefore preventing him from stacking even more damage for his Death Mark.