Mages can't get 
actives for max oneshot burst?
I just played a game with 
oneshotting ppl. All these items work together to burst in one auto attack.
If mages can't build then AD champs should not be able to build
It's not healthy.
Moody P11 votesgive rengar the same utility and range that a mage has and we'll call it even.
Fízz v21 votesnot all ap champs are ranged mages tho
Tegash3 votesRengar:
Mages that aren't Xerath or Lux:
Xerath and Lux:
Marshbouy3 votesOoh ooh oooooh! I love listing champion's abilities! It's really fun!
Karma: -unconditional 525 auto attack range -spammable abilities -a slow with varying levels of power -aoe damage at range -two forms for each ability -partial damage healing+2.5 second long root -team wide shield -boosts MS -passive reduces ultimate cooldown -has ultimate at level 1 -has a root that will still affect you through in-vulnerabilities (Such as zhonyas) -reveals enemies affected by W
All jokes aside, listing a champion's abilities is not an argument. Of course a champion's kit is going to sound really OP when all you do is list its strengths. We cannot say that something is overpowered in a vacuum, we need a point of reference to compare champions to.
Your comment is especially disingenuous when you take a second to think about Rengar's kit. His passive makes it so that, like Karma, every one of his non-ultimate abilities has additional affects to it. Realistically you are only going to be able to empower one of his abilities at a time. He is not going to have
A root
full damage healing within 4 seconds and a cleanse
AA reset (assuming you're referring to the one on his Q, I am regrettably unfamiliar with how rengar works now)
all at once in a fight. Assuming he is able to get all of his passive stacks that he needs in a fight, he is going to be forced to choose between one of those three options.
Tegash1 votesAh, but see, unlike Karma, fights with Rengar last about 0.3 seconds if he hasn't been stomped into the ground all game. So he doesn't really have any need to be able to get all 4 off in a fight. If he could he'd be broken.
Mages have counterplay. Complaining that Rengar doesn't have the utility and range of a mage would be like complaining that Yi doesn't get 100% hybrid scalings on his AA's and abilities. It's completely irrelevant to his design and playstyle.
Marshbouy1 votescounterpoint: rengar has counterplay. Complaining that rengar is somehow super OP because all you did was list his abilities and then say "mages have counterplay" isn't a good point.
NemeBro2 votesAh, but see, unlike Karma, fights with Rengar last about 0.3 seconds if he hasn't been stomped into the ground all game. So he doesn't really have any need to be able to get all 4 off in a fight. If he could he'd be broken.
Mages have counterplay. Complaining that Rengar doesn't have the utility and range of a mage would be like complaining that Yi doesn't get 100% hybrid scalings on his AA's and abilities. It's completely irrelevant to his design and playstyle.
No one is complaining about Rengar not having the utility and range of a mage. People are pointing out the false equivalence at play when whiny crybaby mage players bitch about not having as many burst items as a Rengar.
Tegash1 votesHave you... read, the post at the top of this nested thread? I'll wait while you do.
Also, funny. What I've been seeing on this thread is one person complaining about the amount of cheap damage assassins get, and a bunch of assassin mains losing their absolute shit over it.
Might I also mention the recent complaints from - what do you know, also assassin mains - about them not being the only class being able to use Dark Harvest effectively after its rework?
Doesn't seem to me like mage mains are the whiny crybabies here. :/
NemeBro1 votesHave you... read, the post at the top of this nested thread? I'll wait while you do.
Also, funny. What I've been seeing on this thread is one person complaining about the amount of cheap damage assassins get, and a bunch of assassin mains losing their absolute shit over it.
Might I also mention the recent complaints from - what do you know, also assassin mains - about them not being the only class being able to use Dark Harvest effectively after its rework?
Doesn't seem to me like mage mains are the whiny crybabies here. :/
You might want to check your own posting history then.
FOR JUSTICE4 votesnot a single thing you listed for AD has an active effect though. those are all passives, let alone the fact that the rengo you just mentioned was full build, and most probably stacked.
plus its rengo, not all AD champs build these. these are mostly marksmen items. and for the most part the class as a whole is garbo atm.
l love Ahri4 votesWhat mage are you playing???
SwiftKitten883 votesso because AD have broken shit they shouldn't, we need to give ap broken shit?
how about we take the broken shit away instead of breaking more shit.
/thread
Slythrin Umbreon1 votesThat's basically what he's saying. Read the last sentence again
Reksee3 votesThe thing is, some mages can oneshot with only one hextech item. ( (
). Mages aren't designed for oneshot and many have long range damage to make up for it. While I do agree that AD burst is a little too strong I don't think it shouldn't be allowed.
Stray Kat1 votesI can Oneshot with just a 
and Dorans , but I have to go full blown all in to do it.
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesShiv and Firecannon don't work together. Only one instance of damage happens (Shiv's since it's higher). All RFC is doing is just giving him the range increase which will only affect his ult and passive autos
ProfDrDeath2 votesThat's actually a myth, too (RFC increasing Rengar's Leap range). Since his Leap range is hardcoded, RFC does not even increase that.
D357R0Y3R2 votesyou will oneshot more if you build rabadon+33 flat mr pen giving you true damage after 2600 gold than any of the item listed in your thread
macspam1 votes
AP has no shortage of burst items.
SwiftKitten881 votes
AP has no shortage of burst items.
???
i'll give u as that is clearly a burst item
but and just increase the damage done by skills themselves.. they dont ADD damage on top of it
that like calling 
or 
a "burst" item...
luden DOES give some extra damage to the primary target as well but it mainly functions as a much weaker version of 
with the aoe proc.. and i would be perfectly fine with it just dealing the aoe damage and not more damage to its primary target.
if u wanted to actaylly say "ap burst items" u could have listed the hextex trio of
becuas those ARE ap burst items
Irelia Bot1 votesWhere is the
