"Jungler should get IP bonuses in teambulder"

The Bard Dog·Apr 2, 2015·62 votes·4,106 views

"So that more people will pick jg" Or maybe everyone can stop being assholes to junglers by either

Constantly raging at them due to your failure to ward/not get sheet on on lane
Taking their much needed jungle mobs because you pushed your lane too hard or too fast

And god forbid a jungler gets behind Then it's an excuse of "lol you're useless I need it more"

Fuck that. Just stop treating junglers like shit. We're not your bitch that does whatever you want

Who wants to play jungle when faced with that?

I had an adc who was so salty he pushed to their turret and got ganked twice he started going through my jungle, taking all of my buff mobs, and leaving one of the small ones behind, all while ping spamming me because I told him to ward and stop pushing if he wanted my help

52 Comments

Maple CrusaderApr 2, 201510 votes

Why not give extra ip to junglers and supports?

DrCyanideApr 2, 201513 votes

Because it ignore the root problems with why these roles aren't being picked in team builder.

I Main SwainApr 2, 20153 votes

I just don't pick them because A) im not the best at them (not bad, but not good) and B) because I don't find them as fun as I used to

Maple CrusaderApr 2, 20155 votes

I actually enjoy playing support and I am competent at the role. As for jungling, I dislike it. It takes forever to find a team that has a support, so I am usually forced to switch to support, which is annoying because I want to train in solo lanes in PVP. Seeing my team's support go purchase full ap without a sightstone is a major pet peeve of mine.

EvilRabbittApr 2, 20152 votes

Support best role. We do whatever it takes to win😐

Triple0sevenApr 2, 20152 votes

Respect for us fellow support mains:) RESPECT

PæanApr 3, 20152 votes

For the unsung heroes of botlane! supports FTW!

NewOnyxApr 3, 20152 votes

SUPPORT REPRESENT! Thresh Lux Soraka Blitzcrank all i need bby

EvilRabbittApr 3, 20151 votes

Leona summoner 4 summoner 11 item 3709 item 3143 item 3065 item 3401 item 3083 item 3027 item 3361 item 2138 That's all I need. "Oh you want some? CC FOR LIFE!" Who needs boots when you have a dash. Who needs boots when your ult practically bring people to you. SUPPORT LEONA REPRESENTING. (more like tank leo)

AndThePigGoesMooApr 2, 20153 votes

The jungle changes pushed me out of jungle. I'm sure I could pick it up again but I don't care to. I was never terribly effective at ganking so I mainly played it to play some different champs that people bitched at being in lanes.

I used to love supporting but I've slowly gotten more aggressive in games. People's bitching gets to me easier so it's more fun to just lane by myself where I know that if I lose hard it's because I messed up versus having someone else to blame.

I Main SwainApr 2, 20153 votes

exactly how I feel. couldn't have said it better. I used to LOVE to go wukong jungle but then the changes came and he was bad and now I just don't feel like picking it up again over solo laning.

manbearswineApr 2, 20151 votes

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Because it ignore the root problems with why these roles aren't being picked in team builder.

Well sometimes the root is very hard to fix,so you just put some band-aid on it instead.

DrCyanideApr 2, 20151 votes

And sometimes the root is very hard to fix, so you amputate the damaged limb.

And sometimes the root is very hard to fix, but you go and fix it anyway because it needs to be done pronto.

And sometimes the root is very hard to fix, but the condition of the patient is stable so you take your time figuring out how to proceed.

Riot treats the current Team Builder the last way, as their previous band-aids (icon/map update only on Team Builder) have done little to actually help.

RetillinApr 2, 20155 votes

Team Builder is a failed idea. It's not that the overarching thought behind it is bad. It is wonderful, IF people enjoyed playing each of the roles roughly the same amount. Now with the talk of a Ranked Team Builder I can't help but laugh. Riot had made the jungle unfun for the last 6-ish months (until recent patches) so a lot of people, myself included, walked away from the jungle. And the set up of supports is very similar to jungle in this; both the jungler and support have to play a TEAM game to win while each other lane/role tries to play hero/carry to win.

Just like in World of Warcraft, some roles many people do not enjoy. So junglers/support (tanks healers in WoW) are played much less. Until Riot can change the feel of the roles, or the culture of the game, it will always be the "me first" damage players that cause people to not want to help/play the team game.

DrCyanideApr 2, 20153 votes

I actually think what they've described for ranked Team Builder will be better than what they've implemented for normal Team Builder.

Let's be honest, Team Builder is YOLO Builder. You pick one champion you want to play and you never look back. You can't look back! If you get matched with a team, see their picks and think "you know, this champ won't work so well with them, but this other champ would be awesome!", you can't change to make a better team. All you can do is stick with it or abandon them and home the matchmaking gods replace you with someone playing that champion.

Their plans for ranked Team Builder is to just have you call a role and go from there. You can actually pick based on what your team is doing. You can see that your team needs a tank and your ADC picked Graves and go Leona. You can be a team.

I've pretty much written off YOLO Builder for my own use. Between the adjusted match making (no, I'd rather not be in a mirror matchup with someone who's far better at the champ than me, thanks), the inflexible nature of picks, and the queue time, Riot pretty much has to bribe me to use it (see handing out shiny Summoner Icons, early access to the SR Update)

RetillinApr 2, 20151 votes

Is it better? Yes. But it doesn't fix the same issue that you have less people who enjoy playing support/jungle.

DrCyanideApr 2, 20152 votes

The last poll I saw suggested that there might be more support mains than any other type off mains. Granted, it was just a straw poll on the forums, but ADC was the least popular position at the time. If you've got newer info I'd defiantly be interested.

RetillinApr 2, 20151 votes

Lol, well let's be honest I'm not sure a stroll poll on the forums is really good to go from. But when logging into team builder as 3 or 4 man group, my ques are always higher when looking for a jungler/support over anything else.

DrCyanideApr 2, 20151 votes

Which comes back to there being a problem with team builder.

When you do normals, sit back and fill. Count who calls what role. That will be more representative than team builder.

Ariel the CruelApr 2, 20155 votes

Part of that is probably the fact that team builder is counter-intuitive for the support role. I'd also like to think support mains are more likely to use the forums. But that's probably just idle musing.

Support, more than any other role, have to match the team. If we have Sion top and Kog'maw ADC, I don't want Leona or Taric. I want Lulu or Janna. If we have Quinn top and Kat mid, I don't want Soraka or Zyra. I want Thresh or Morgana. If we have Cait ADC and Amumu jungle, I don't want Blitz or Sona. I want Xerath or Braum.

It's a lot easier to have a bad support for a team comp, since we tend to juggle a lot of different hats and don't get to play "solo-lane hero". That's also why it's a lot harder to main a specific support champion (not looking at you, "I do everything" Thresh).

All that said. The role still has it's issues. Not the least of which is the fact that you're dependent on someone who [will probably] treat you like crap. You don't get boast worthy end-of-game stats (or any real measure of your value except heals). If you're team does well, they probably will forget you exist. If your team does poorly, it's probably your fault (and jungler's). If your lane does poorly, it is your fault. The 0/53/1 ADC has nothing to do with it, since you stole their 1 kill and 12 CS (with Targon).

ChoirmaestroApr 3, 20151 votes

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And the set up of supports is very similar to jungle in this; both the jungler and support have to play a TEAM game to win while each other lane/role tries to play hero/carry to win.

This. This is exactly why I am in Bronze I*, because every person I ever play with (I main top/supp) usually tries this. And it ends up in the enemy Nidalee getting fed and one-shotting me with her spear.

*90% of the reason... The rest are my own fuck-ups.

FastAsHeckApr 2, 20153 votes

im at the point where i think that if you have smite you should be able to ragequit. im fed up with this.

EchoZeeroApr 2, 20153 votes

The other player's attitude towards the jungler is the problem here, not how much IP you get for filling the role. The other four players need to stop being assholes to the jungler, blaming him for everything and taking his jungle mob when they fail their own lane. Man up and assume your fucking mistakes, and stop blaming the jungler.

BlackSunNocturneApr 2, 20153 votes

This shit. This shit right here is the main reason I refuse to jungle unless I'm in a group with my friends of at least 2.

Because laners have this mental bullshit that makes them act like complete and utter CUNTS to junglers.

ShogunaiApr 2, 20151 votes

Not just junglers but to support mains as well. Mid laners are notorious for this when they are over extended an getting ganked excessively, however its a game people are going to wine an complain about why they are failing and find every reason to blame it on someone else other than looking at themselves. Its human nature to the fullest degree. Playing with friends is one way to deal with less toxicity but when I'm queuing, I'm queuing as support, I don't look for added bonuses an when toxic people start to flame, I exercise my rights to the ignore button option an at the end of the game I'll file a report for toxicity if its excessive and puts other team members on tilts.

ZombieNinja WarApr 2, 20152 votes

as a jungle main i get depressed alot playing because people always blame me for loosing there lane. 2 min in they die and blame me. then they try to 1v1 like 5 times and die and then i dont want to help becasue if i die they say i fed there lane. or if i play a champ that don't gank till lv 6, i always here they ganked like 10 times your useless.... im lv 4 tho just be safe then i get flamed.

rebound2Apr 2, 20151 votes

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Support EvelynnApr 2, 20156 votes

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Junglers should get bonus IP?

Supports have to deal with more shit than junglers. Give it to them, not the Junglers.

Supports give out more shit than they take in my experience.

SeviangApr 2, 20151 votes

This is exactly the reason I rarely jungle anymore, despite at one point maining the role. It's the most discouraging and stressful role to play because your teammates are almost always toxic to you.

SolaxoApr 2, 20151 votes

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This is exactly the reason I rarely jungle anymore, despite at one point maining the role. It's the most discouraging and stressful role to play because your teammates are almost always toxic to you.

Mute button. Enjoy.

SeviangApr 2, 20152 votes

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Mute button. Enjoy.

If I feel like I need to mute someone the damage has already been done. Muting someone after they've started flaming only helps so much.

ChessburgerApr 2, 20151 votes

Nah, you just have to be a lot more liberal with the mute. When I jungle I'll mute people for the tiniest negativity and spend the rest of the game only using pings and use chat for important stuff like timers.

To each their own, I do win a lot more games when I just mute everybody though.

XtremeyApr 2, 20151 votes

LOWER RESPAWN TIMERS

NoMonkuApr 2, 20151 votes

I feel that team builder should give more bonus' to the role that is needed most at that given time. Usually it is jungler/support, but when I've played later in the night, I've seen both ADC and mid be the "wanted" roles.

IcyPepperApr 2, 20151 votes

Wish Rito would make that new experience boost in jungle camps only apply if you have a machete... only makes laners want to take MORE camps.

ANd if they really wanted to solve the support/jungler problem, I'd wish they just would release a statement. EVERYONE knows the stigma of the roles, why people don't like playing them, and it's like Riot is just silent besides general "dont' be toxic" rules.

Mecha MaIphiteApr 2, 20151 votes

"Everyone can stop being assholes to junglers"

I lost hope a long time ago.

Conus25Apr 3, 20151 votes

why play normal when nurf is here

DeliothApr 3, 20151 votes

Didn't you hear? Nurf was overthrown by the phoenix that is URF. Our God-King the Manatee prevailed from the depths of oblivion, and has arisen!

TenSlashTenApr 3, 20151 votes

I DONT WANT YOUR FUCKING IP I WANT EXP PLZZ THE CAMPS THEY GIVE NOTHING THEY CAME AND TOOK MY BABY URF IS THE ONLY MODE JUNGLERS KEEP UP WITH THE TEAM WHY

fr0st2kApr 3, 20151 votes

They should just make it so jungle mobs build up damage over time (during the fight) to players who dont have a machete.

MigrañaboyApr 3, 20151 votes

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"So that more people will pick jg" Or maybe everyone can stop being assholes to junglers by either

Constantly raging at them due to your failure to ward/not get sheet on on lane

Taking their much needed jungle mobs because you pushed your lane too hard or too fast

And god forbid a jungler gets behind Then it's an excuse of "lol you're useless I need it more"

Fuck that. Just stop treating junglers like shit. We're not your bitch that does whatever you want

Who wants to play jungle when faced with that?

I had an adc who was so salty he pushed to their turret and got ganked twice he started going through my jungle, taking all of my buff mobs, and leaving one of the small ones behind, all while ping spamming me because I told him to ward and stop pushing if he wanted my help

I got a better proposal OP: ** Give extra IP gains when there's a role lacking (say support and jungle at the moment) on the team builder servers. The system will inform you of which roles will give you more gains before choosing the role.**

This in order to avoid overpopulation of junglers.

I think it's a nice idea tht should be explored by rito.

ObericApr 3, 20151 votes

When joining team builder it shows you the top 4 demanded roles/lanes. Clicking one of those should give a 5%-20% bonus IP (depending on which you click).

This makes it so that if for some reason mages become the rarest thing, mages get the most bonus IP. etc.

MigrañaboyApr 3, 20151 votes

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When joining team builder it shows you the top 4 demanded roles/lanes. Clicking one of those should give a 5%-20% bonus IP (depending on which you click).

This makes it so that if for some reason mages become the rarest thing, mages get the most bonus IP. etc.

That wouldn't fix the low supply of support/jungle players, if anything it would accentuate it. The least demanded roles are the ones who should be stimulated.

Who knows, perhaps eventually there wouldn't be any prize because the 5 roles are well balanced (but I doubt that's gonna happen).

ObericApr 30, 20151 votes

I can't see how it could possibly make junglers and supports rarer. Whatever is the fourth-place role (for example, bottom lane + support) would get a +20% or whatever IP bonus. While the first-place demanded role would only get like 5% IP bonus.

Sound good?

MigrañaboyApr 30, 20151 votes

Well, I misinterpreted your statement then:

When joining team builder it shows you the top least 4 demanded roles/lanes.

Then sounds all rite for me. :p

AlëkApr 3, 20151 votes

Unless ur amumu. If ur amumu, ur everyone's bitch

GalacticaQTApr 3, 20151 votes

I would agree with this. It is similar to the World of Warcraft dungeon finder: Tanks and healers receive bonuses for queuing because there is always a lack of them. It would make matchmaking go much quicker.