Mordekaiser has....

Guy Fox Teemo·Sep 23, 2015·31 votes·2,481 views

No CC No range Extremely slow movespeed Requires 3 hits before doing any damage. Easily kited

Yet for some dam reason people just walk up to him as Naut or any melee champion and act like everything's gonna be all right feeding him and giving him the aura of being OP. Is it really that hard to just not feed a Mordekaiser? Sit poke him in lane, gank him often and just focus him down early and he'll be shit, but noooo, people just walk up to him carelessly take a shit ton of damage then cry "OP", just quit.

Bring in the downvotes~

39 Comments

BeatzBoyFTWSep 23, 201510 votes

People hate it when I talk about Fiora being too OP from her true damage & mobility, but when they talk about immobile as fk champions like Mordekaiser Darius including the fact that they don't have innate AS buffing ability, everyone seems to agree along for their nerfs.

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JotunheimrSep 23, 20154 votes

Yeah, it's stupid. Just play smart and you can beat them easily

AChanceOfReignSep 24, 20152 votes

But that´s the problem, they won´t try something smart. Either they want to become ¨challenger¨ and only have kills or they´ll feed to the end of time. Or they refuse to learn other champion´s abilities to counter for some damn reason. Idk...people are just really weird.

IceKingChernobogSep 24, 20151 votes

agreed but you cant deny that darius's Heal on his Q is a bit ridiculous

BeatzBoyFTWSep 24, 20151 votes

Currently yes, so I preferrably his original 10% back as it was. It was only buffed because people were still not used to his 0.75 sec delay.

ks916Sep 24, 20151 votes

I think the bigger problem with Morde is dealing with the dragon. How the hell are you supposed to deal with a morde that gets dragon? I've played a few games with morde in it and the one thing I noticed is how good the dragon is especially early game where you can't do anything against him. No way are you gonna win a fight against a team that has a pet dragon, even defending against it is extremely hard. (Btw did you guys know that the dragon even procs Rylai's?) Also the range for dragon is pretty stupid, get dragon, sit way far back and let the dragon win game for you. Latter on the game you can use dragon to tank baron, and attempt to do baron without any risk at all. You win the game through objectives and morde is too strong at taking objectives.

Against the other juggernaut's yea you can play safely, kite them and outplay them but morde is a whole different monster with the pet dragon. Really wish Riot toned down the dragon or got rid of it and adjusted morde is a different way.

MordepoolSep 24, 20151 votes

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I think the bigger problem with Morde is dealing with the dragon. How the hell are you supposed to deal with a morde that gets dragon? I've played a few games with morde in it and the one thing I noticed is how good the dragon is especially early game where you can't do anything against him. No way are you gonna win a fight against a team that has a pet dragon, even defending against it is extremely hard. (Btw did you guys know that the dragon even procs Rylai's?) Also the range for dragon is pretty stupid, get dragon, sit way far back and let the dragon win game for you. Latter on the game you can use dragon to tank baron, and attempt to do baron without any risk at all. You win the game through objectives and morde is too strong at taking objectives.

Against the other juggernaut's yea you can play safely, kite them and outplay them but morde is a whole different monster with the pet dragon. Really wish Riot toned down the dragon or got rid of it and adjusted morde is a different way.

Dragon doesn't scale well. Endgame is blah. Remember those 5v2. Situations when everyone dives botlane. You need to do that at dragon and focus him

ks916Sep 24, 20151 votes

It's not dragons late game that's a problem, it's the early game, morde getting a dragon early is problematic. Early game it's way too easy siege with dragon and start a snowball. If your team properly groups to siege there isn't much you can do. Team fighting a team with pet dragon is dangerous early unless ahead. Also morde gets pretty tanky with the pet dragon, he gains 1/4 of the dragons health.

MordepoolSep 25, 20151 votes

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It's not dragons late game that's a problem, it's the early game, morde getting a dragon early is problematic. Early game it's way too easy siege with dragon and start a snowball. If your team properly groups to siege there isn't much you can do. Team fighting a team with pet dragon is dangerous early unless ahead. Also morde gets pretty tanky with the pet dragon, he gains 1/4 of the dragons health.

Can Mordekaiser siege without dragon?
Not without taking a lot of dmg. And possibly dying. Thats why pure melee don't work all the time

LadyRenlySep 23, 20158 votes

Don't forget that Morde kinda lives and dies by his support. He really needs the Leona/Nautilus to spoonfeed him kills, whereas people like Soraka, you can be kited all day long

MordepoolSep 23, 20157 votes

Mordekaiser has soooooo much. Counter play

Seriously. Play him once.
Learn and counter.
But I know you won't. You will just ban bitch and cry OP.

FYI we Morde mains ran the numbers. The rework was a poorly designed flashy nerf

Rinky DinkySep 24, 20154 votes

"The rework was a poorly designed flashy nerf"

Oh fuck off thats just a flat out lie, and is statistically incorrect

MordepoolSep 24, 20151 votes

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Oh fuck off thats just a flat out lie, and is statistically incorrect

BTW I'm talking about Mordekaiser Not Mordekaiser +support

Side by side old morde could lane by himself. New morde needs a babysitter if that's not a indication of a huge nerf i can only show you Numbers knowing it won't change your mind

Winrate prework 51% as a solo laner Winrate in solo after hovers 40%
38% at its lowest ( lowest in the game at the time)

Morde currently has the lowest MS possible

The 2nd lowest base health at lvl 18 ( #1 being Sion who gains more from his kit) And low health per lvl to boot Less armor than 114 champions (It's not like he's a walking suit of armor or anything) His shield decay rate tripled His attack speed is the 2nd slowest in the game lvl 1 and doesn't scale well

His new dragon is flashy

His kit is a Polarized feast or Famine It's unhealthy by design = poor design

Edit: BTW. The only thing statistically inaccurate about adc morde is his winrate About 20% of games played as adc morde got dropped by champion.gg because by game end he didn't have enough items to identify as a ADC. Which means that the 65% that everyone was stating was incorrect. Check Reddit for the post I don't care enough to find it and link it over a dead post

YoloYordle333Sep 23, 20153 votes

ive been playing Vladimir a lot lately and ive notice that that i can kill all the mordes by just doing my r, q, e, w, q ,e combo and outrange him. the only problem is that if i use pool and it ends to close to him, i get rekt.

sreggadSep 24, 20153 votes

I've played with a few mordes. I've notice something about them. People let him walk up and hit them with his third Q. Some supports allow him more easy to do that but if your against a morde and they have a blitz or thresh you stay behind the dang minions. if it's a leona have your support ready to peel him off of you before he gets to you. He's got that strong hit but it takes time to hit them you just have to play around knowing that is what he is gonna hit you with.

MarthianSep 23, 20152 votes

Sit poke him in lane,

I've done this with poke supports and it didn't do much of anything. Even when he had an afk support.

Chespin2013Sep 24, 20152 votes

Than maybe your need to improve on playing Poke Supports

MealReadytoEatSep 24, 20151 votes

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I've done this with poke supports and it didn't do much of anything. Even when he had an afk support.

Have you done this since 5.18, aka when they removed (Okay, 10 hp every 12 seconds, still not enough to compensate for his shitty hp regen) his heal?

SkuntSep 23, 20152 votes

It's his XP gains that I feel are the issue.

Unlucky Number7Sep 24, 20152 votes

Most morde's if faced don't even know how to use him effectively. They don't know how to press their level advantage, they don't know what to do with their dragons, and they don't know how to use the old deathbush trick.

ninjaIRL Sep 24, 20152 votes

That's easier said than done when Mordekaiser's support actually brings CC to the table.

The moment the squishies are CCed Mordekaiser can just walk up to them and delete them. Especially if the support is someone like Thresh or Leona who engage first giving Mordekaiser a massive movement speed boost via W.

His kit is so unhealthy it's stupid. He has no CC, shuree but he's got abnormal damage that just makes him borderline broken once he does manage to dish out his Qs.

Mordekaiser needs a rework.

Prospector PeteSep 23, 20151 votes

Yes but when you have a support like Blitzcrank Thresh Nautilus Leona

Also, you said to bring in the downvotes... Reverse psychology OP. Take my upvote.

stuartk11Sep 23, 20152 votes

I think it's mostly the Blitzcrank/Mordekaiser combo that makes him work well. The others work well too, but it's Blitzcrank that stands head-and-shoulders above the others.

luckmallorySep 23, 20151 votes

Try having some counter play to when morde auto's a minion twice with Q active blitz pulls anyone and morde one shots them.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 24, 20151 votes

And that is why people who complain about Blitz being powerful is dumb. Because he can hurt his own team.

PikmintsSep 24, 20151 votes

As someone who hasn't played against new Morde even once because he's permabanned, can I ask what champs work well against him?

He seems like he'd be tough to poke down because of his shield, all inning him is dangerous because of his Q and W. What champions have the right amount of anything to deal with him?

Chespin2013Sep 24, 20152 votes

for ADC's Ashe Caitlyn Kalista Lucian KogMaw Tristana Varus any adcs that are too mobile for Morde to catch or have long enough range harass Morde down in lane

for Support's Alistar Blitzcrank Braum Leona Lulu Janna Morgana Nami TahmKench Thresh Trundle Not even joking Support Trundle is probably Morde's biggest counter for support. But as for the Supports pretty much any that can lock a Morde down and punish him for his positioning.

Remember Mordekaiser has no CC or Mobility and needs to get up close to you too deal damage abuse this by kiting his ass to death and not be in his range for him to triple Q since that is where a majority of his damage comes from.

Maximum MordeSep 24, 20151 votes

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As someone who hasn't played against new Morde even once because he's permabanned, can I ask what champs work well against him?

He seems like he'd be tough to poke down because of his shield, all inning him is dangerous because of his Q and W. What champions have the right amount of anything to deal with him?

Long range ruins him. Cait, Trist, Varus and Ashe are decent picks against Morde. For supports you want peels primary, and poke secondary. Supports like Janna, Alistar, Nami, Lulu, Morgana, Lux etc can be a real thorn in Mordes side. Thresh can be ok, but he has a tendency to try and hook Morde, go in, and feed cause he's not tanky enough during lane phase to avoid getting popped in the mouth.

In general just stick to range. The only Melee support I recommend until you have enough experience vs Morde to not do stupid shit is the cow. The cow can knock him away and his ult makes him tanky enough to make mistakes without dying.

And pray your probably melee jungle doesn't try to "help" by ganking and feed the fuck out of Morde cause he picked some no cc squishy melee and gets instafragged. When I get "ganked" by Master Yi, Khazix, Eve, Shaco, Rengar etc, it's usually a double or triple kill for me with 0 kills for the enemy cause those squishy ass junglers instantly die, give me a ghost, and then we dive the enemy laners to mop up.

DaxterrSep 24, 20151 votes

It's not that he is strong it is that he is so poorly designed. He can either one shot the carries and take their ghosts or be a complete detriment to his own team. It's a big gamble to pick him and he will definately get outscaled by the enemy adc because mordekaiser is neither ad nor a carry. He is the cheesiest piece of cheese that Rito ever created besides ap MasterYi .

xl Kirito lxSep 24, 20152 votes

A 0 item Mordekaiser still has his ult. Getting that onto anyone makes a huge difference.

iainB85Sep 24, 20151 votes

Because if he has team mates with any form of CC that can catch someone he will completely wreck, and turn a 5v5 into a 6v4.

Just because he doesn't have all those abilities doesn't mean he's not extremely overpowered with just a little bit of help. Remember this is a team game and listing a single champions weaknesses without considering team synergy has no real value.

DragonSheaSep 24, 20151 votes

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No CC No range Extremely slow movespeed Requires 3 hits before doing any damage. Easily kited

Yet for some dam reason people just walk up to him as Naut or any melee champion and act like everything's gonna be all right feeding him and giving him the aura of being OP. Is it really that hard to just not feed a Mordekaiser? Sit poke him in lane, gank him often and just focus him down early and he'll be shit, but noooo, people just walk up to him carelessly take a shit ton of damage then cry "OP", just quit.

Bring in the downvotes~

Bring the Upvotes Bitch. Right now I think that Morde should have a stun on the third hit on his Q after hitting the same target three times with his Q and the third hit stun is Guaranteed at max rank. And a slow on his E for 25% +5% per rank, more damage on his first and second hit on his Q. And Creeping Death with the end effect of Harvester of Sorrows.

And buff his MS back to 340.

Robert SmithSep 24, 20151 votes

I love tanky engages bot lane as Morde. I can heal off of them with my ult or kill them since they aren't tank enough

RalanrSep 24, 20151 votes

I played him last night (course it was normal and I'm an unranked scrub) and I also lagged a lot during lane phase.

Good god did I kill people. With Nautilus support bot lane was a slow moving wall of metal ( item 3117 solved that problem) that just killed everything. You'd think they could get away from the 3 hits ability. NOPE.

Mordekaiser in his current state is not someone you want to duel. Especially if you have no escapes! Unless you can bring him from top to zero in health in the time it takes for three swings, do not bother. KITE HIM.

I wasn't even doing a proper build. I was AD mordekasier with a BC and a bunch of health items.

Silents429Sep 24, 20151 votes

Yet for some dam reason people just walk up to him as Naut

Wat? As a Nautilus main this confuses me, I am required to get in your face to disrupt actions and lock you down, I can't kite you or something?

ZyorhistSep 24, 20151 votes

while I do believe your evaluation is fairly accurate I have to say that there is nothing worse than watching a morde go 0/6/0 and be down 50 farm on you, then somehow gets a dragon and shoves 3 turrets down in your lane.

warpenguin555Sep 24, 20151 votes

it can be if the enemy support or jungler or whoever is locking you down (played Shen support with Mordekaiser adc vs Ezreal adc and Ekko support.) as soon as i landed my taunt morde would pretty much rape them. but if morde is just by himself then it shouldnt be that hard to not feed him like you said. EDIT: hes also pretty easy to gangbang if hes trying to splitpush