What Fiora's weakness SUPPOSE to be? Because she currently has zero

Guy Fox Teemo·Oct 21, 2015·8 votes·2,076 views

Mana hungry? no Lack of Sustain? no Low Mobility? No Bad early game? No Bad mid game? No Bad late game? No Prone to early ganks? No Low Wave clear? No, she rush's Hydra anways Squishy? No not really brusier items give her enough plus her insane heals + relatively high base stats Low Utility? No, has an AOE heal for her entire team Lack of CC? Sorta, but her W gives a hard slow/stun Bad Team fighting? No Lack of Burst? No Lack of Consistent DPS? No No Escape? No Bad at dueling? Not even close Snowball Reliant? No, she'll just get fed later anyways due still being able to duel anyone because of her passive/ult Difficult to play? Not really 5 games on her and your set

Can someone comment on her weakness? I may just be blind but I really don't see any that are significant enough to call it a weakness.

42 Comments

360D3GR3SSOct 21, 20157 votes

She actually has terrible team fighting. It basically relies on the enemy being stupid enough to send 1 tank into her team and the tank sit there while fiora dances around them. People with poor AOE damage have always been poor teamfighters.

KaelnorOct 21, 20153 votes

Yeah her best points are in 1v1s or on when she can focus on key champs, otherwise her lack of AoE hurts her big time. She's not even that good at split pushing unless you run item 3074 .

Guy Fox TeemoOct 21, 20151 votes

When don't you run Hydra? Thats her first item about 99% of the time. Even if she lacks AOE, she can weave around the fight incredibly well, fast and take out the carrys before the enemy has time to react. As by then she's already got the heal up and is ready to fight again.

KaelnorOct 21, 20154 votes

The best start is item 1036 into item 3044 for utility and to upkeep chasing prowess. If you're Fiora against a tank you're not rushing item 3074 unless you'd think you'd gonna hit all those weakpoints and not get ganked or hurt while trying to do so. item 3071 would be your better first item then. Fiora's a Bruiser not a carry like you said.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 21, 20151 votes

Thats your personal opinion :/ , according to about everyone else, Hydra is picked 90% of the time, and Black cleaver is 50%. Hydra has a 54% win rate, Black Cleaver 49%.

Bruiser can be carrys to, Idk who told you they can't be both. A carry is just someone that is good at carrying the game, bruiser is just a type of class.

And Yes, I do think I can hit most of the vitals they aren't difficult to hit.

KaelnorOct 21, 20154 votes

You sure? You must not go against Malphite , or TahmKench much, or even a properly built Nautilus top. Oh and win rates are BS, because not every fight has the same outcome.

Zair UmbrasOct 22, 20151 votes

I haven't seen Malphite played in ages and Tahm isn't common in my ranked games. Naut is never, ever played top in my ranked games either and I'm in Plat... Fiora is pretty much a permaban because she's just too ridiculous. Sure, you can attempt to counter her in lane, but the last think you want to do is go a Cleaver against a Malphite. Your passive is 2.7% per 100 AD, going up by .1% per level. IF you rush a Cleaver, you're skimping yourself out on a lot of wave clear and costing yourself a lot of AD. Tiamat gives 40 compared to Phage's 20. Building into a Hydra also gives you more sustain since you've got the option of getting the Vamp Scepter early to make up for your own lack of sustain.

Then you just play with your passive. You can walk about 1k units from your enemy and your passive will change its position because you just reset it. You then Q at them to poke them down while sustaining from both your passive and the vamp scepter if you chose to pick it up. If you don't and rush the Tiamat, you'll have 40 AD from that, 15 AD from runes, 4 flat from Masteries and .55 per level. Let's say you're at about level 9, so you got 40 from Tiamat, 15 from runes, and about 9 from masteries, which puts you at 64. Now add in the 5% from masteries as well, so you're at 67. At level 9, your passive does 3% plus 3.6% per 100 AD. Since you only have 67 bonus AD, your passive will do about 5.4% of their max health as true damage. Even if the enemy has a lot of armor, you can poke them down with the passive and using your Q. Even early on when you're only sitting on the 3%ish, you can Q to poke them down pretty easy. It's not like Malph's Q can do much if he goes with armor, Tahm's damage isn't all too strong early on top of the fact that his wave clear is near garbage tier unless he levels and uses his devour to farm, which means you can poke at him for days while letting your Tiamat push him into his turret.

Her counters almost don't exist. He has to be poked down and go against some one who is actually able to outlane her, which is not a tank. Tanks get eaten by Fiora.

KaelnorOct 24, 20152 votes

Malphite 's Passive pretty much makes your poking ineffective as it would block it completely. Tanks get eaten by Fiora? , Chogath , Darius , Garen , Gnar with a good player behind them wreck Fiora really hard, especially with their great sustain.

Oh and lets not forget lil miss Irelia who can delete you by building item 3078 + item 3153 and then going full tank. 75 True damage per AA, 2 sec stun, and a nasty 4 charge ranged ult will make things hard on Fiora , and the tankiness will too not including the utility the new Juggernaut tank items slap on.

LadyRenlyOct 21, 20153 votes

wouldn't Tiamat into Cleaver, then finishing hydra be a better option?

KaelnorOct 24, 20152 votes

Yeah item 3044 is a strong option, anyone saying item 3071 is useless needs to get a reality check.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 21, 20151 votes

she can just jump in the back line and kill the carrys due to her being hard to catch and having an anti CC ability. She also gains movespeed from her ult allowing her to to move around even easier. She also isn't poor in teamfights, especially due to the huge AOE heal she receives by killing someone with her ult.

KaelnorOct 21, 20154 votes

Pfft that's why you focus her when she tries something, and then she gets blown up. That's why you don't focus on tanks.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 21, 20151 votes

1: This is solo queue/normals. People don't generally have the cooperation to focus a specific target down as a Unified Unit. 2: She's hard to focus down due to her escapes and anti CC.

KaelnorOct 21, 20156 votes

1: That's not a valid excuse, bad cooperation get's punished no matter the elo or stage.

2: She has one dash with an 8 sec cd unless it hits, and her Ripose is a long CD.

Actually xPekeOct 21, 20152 votes

The AoE Heal that duration scales based on each vital hit? If she hit's all vitals in the middle of a teamfight.. then she deserves that 5 second heal.

She can't just "jump in the backline" Have you even played fiora before complaining? That's basically jumping into their entire team. Suicide mission achieved

CppLOct 21, 20152 votes

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She actually has terrible team fighting. It basically relies on the enemy being stupid enough to send 1 tank into her team and the tank sit there while fiora dances around them. People with poor AOE damage have always been poor teamfighters.

Did you watched KT ROLSTER vs KOO TIGERS game?? Fiora literally won 2 and 3rd game by herself....they lost quarter-finals cause they didint banned her. So i guess pros are stupid ah? also she has 90% ban ratio in worlds.80% ban ratio in solo Q ,how can she be fucking balanced?

360D3GR3SSOct 21, 20155 votes

Because she got ahead. She was heavily helped in lane got several ganks. Anyone with alot of damage earlier than they should be getting it is "good" at team fights.

Actually xPekeOct 21, 20154 votes

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Lack of Sustain? no

She lacks sustain actually, she relies on Life Steal to sustain. Her passive isn't a big heal.

Bad early game? No

She got nerfed recently (reduced base armor, and health stats) so her early game is weaker.

Bad mid game? No Bad late game? No

Fiora is about snowballing.

Prone to early ganks? No Low Wave clear? No, she rush's Hydra anways

Then you're complaining about an item. Not about Fiora.

Squishy? No not really brusier items give her enough plus her insane heals + relatively high base stats

You mean the relatively high base stats that got nerfed?

Low Utility? No, has an AOE heal for her entire team

The AoE heal got nerfed. The duration scales with each vital hit. So fiora can't just press R. hit a vital while the team kills the opponent anymore

Lack of CC? Sorta, but her W gives a hard slow/stun

Bad Team fighting? No

Yes, actually. She lacks AoE damage and her Ultimate got nerfed. Fiora is a duelist. not a teamfighter.

Lack of Consistent DPS? No

Just like any AD champion.

Bad at dueling? Not even close

Because she's a freaking duelist. Her champion title even says it. She's based around dueling people "The Grand Duelist"

Snowball Reliant? No, she'll just get fed later anyways due still being able to duel anyone because of her passive/ult

She actually is pretty snowball reliant. Her passive scales with AD so you'll need items otherwise that shit won't do much

kagepaladinOct 21, 20153 votes

i find morgana Q+R to be quite fitting late game :P

KaelnorOct 21, 20153 votes

How about constant aiming for weakpoints that can be exploited by CC? Once she uses Riposte, even at 40% CDR she has to wait a long damn time, which can leave her defenseless. Her weakpoint dmg is blocked by shields too, and lets not forget range, blinds, and slows. Basically if you play Quinn , Teemo , Gnar , you're gonna have an easier time, but 70-85% of league players don't play counter picks.

Oh and lets not forgot Irelia who would insta-win vs Fiora just with her E.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 21, 20152 votes

I.. I don't see how aiming for weak points is exploited by CC she'll just W any hard cc and stun you in the process? And while she's hitting the vitals she gains bursts of move speed making it difficult to land much on her on to of her constant movement with Q. I also shouldn't have to just play a counter pick as my only option to shutting a champion down.

KaelnorOct 21, 20153 votes

You must be bad then if you can't see how. If I play Riven and see that Lunge I'll just E-W-AA and out trade her there. You hit her in her's Q's animations mid way on. There's also Dashing out of her Riposte's skillshot line of fire so you don't get stunned either, tried that before? It's only 0.75 secs, and has a 12-14 sec CD on 40% CDR. Irelia 's Equilibrium Strike at max as a 6 sec CD without 40% CDR. That's 2 stuns before Riposte is up, and Irelia isn't even a counter.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 21, 20152 votes

1: Were talking about champions in general not just that one situation where irelia fucked her up 2: You can W mid dash to block rivens stun, which has an animation time where she can easily be hit by the W stun if not FIora just blocked rivens W. 3: If she doesn't block the stun her q will auto hit anyways the vital assuming you aimed correctly. Giving her movespeed to weave out and a heal to out trade riven easily. 4: Irelia's not gonna last 14 seconds lol against a Fiora, you'd be dead before then.

KaelnorOct 21, 20153 votes

Irelia wont last 14 secs vs Fiora? You must be either joking, or just bad against Fiora , because I have two Diamond+ friends , one that mains Irelia, that will definitely say otherwise. After that Riposte, if I didn't use Irelia's E while Riposte was active, that's it for you. It's a 2 sec stun at max with a 6 sec CD. Please get your math correct. It's a hard slow/stun that's gonna allow me to retaliate and out trade you in that big window. PLus Irelia's W grants health regen, and true damage every AA. That's gonna spell trouble for Fiora unless you manage to play big time vs everything I throw at you in return.

The only way you'll get that Riposte vs my W as Riven anyway is if I rush it, or you guess right, otherwise you're gonna get hit, or do you not remember how fast Riven's animations , movements , and combos can be? Riven can be in and out of Fiora's range really easy done right, and you forget the shield from Riven's E Valor. I'm talking from experience, not just champ knowledge. Fiora isn't as dominate as you think she is.

EllaRyu69Oct 21, 20152 votes

i see no point in arguing with this guy as i've seen him a couple of months ago posting every champ that he's been losing to in boards when he was still lvl 23 i guess,..

then i saw this and facepalmed cuz nothing is getting into his mind of what we told him, sigh...

KaelnorOct 21, 20152 votes

Yeah he's clearly a bad player as far as I can tell, he obviously doesn't analyze how he lost and how to counter whatever is thrown his way. Not very bright at all. I main Fiora as my premier Top lane Bruiser, and she definitely is vulnerable if you misuse or don't get your Riposte off.

EllaRyu69Oct 21, 20152 votes

i get wrecked by wuk usually so i don't first pick my top laners sadly, and go for tanky supportive top laners if i have to like Shen which usually end up in a win especially saving an ally and turning around a fight eventhough i lost my toplane against bruisers and carry top

KaelnorOct 21, 20152 votes

Yeah I find more success with Garen for the simple fact that he's more tank like, and can front line.

EllaRyu69Oct 22, 20152 votes

lol i love facerolling with Garen XD

sad it's always ban ;w;

Zair UmbrasOct 22, 20151 votes

How do you E+W a 2s CD? 0.o I know Riven's E is on a short CD with maxed CDR, but Fiora's Q is a whole 'nother level.

KaelnorOct 24, 20151 votes

Ever heard of good reaction timing? Fiora is going to attack you on her Q if anything, and I'll E her mid Lunge to stun then Auto AA with Hiten Syle Active. You must not play Irelia.

Zair UmbrasOct 24, 20151 votes

What..? I was talking about for Riven... And for Irelia, she stomps every lane except for Malphite, really.

KaelnorOct 28, 20151 votes

You must be joking... That's like very easy to do, you use Valor/ E to block her damage, and Ki/Burst W immediately after. Honestly though you can mix in Broken Wings/Q and psyche out Fiora to use her Riposte and then go for the stun. It's not rocket science if you actually play the champs, which you don't seem to honestly.

Riven has a lot of kit to combat Fiora with. You need to learn these champs.

Zair UmbrasOct 28, 20151 votes

You must be joking. Fiora has her W to beat Riven pretty easy. You Q at Riven when there's a vital and if Riven decides to stun you, you just E for the AA, then W when she's about to hit you with her last Q, stun her because of it, then follow up with an onslaught of AA's and Q's.

Any decent Fiora can destroy a Riven because after Riven's Q's, she has no damage and you can stop a third of that damage with your W, plus stop the knock up it has, AND CC her because she TRIED TO HIT YOU. lol.

Honestly, you need to learn Fiora if you're going to say Riven is good against her and only a bad Fiora would be 'psyched' into using her W. You pop it when you see the Riven jump up into the air for the third Q. Not before, not after. You wait until she's using it. Fiora's W has no cast time and INSTANTLY starts working upon pressing it unless you don't use quick cast, which you really should have it on quick cast...

pripustasOct 21, 20153 votes

Pantheon wins against her hard, but can't stop her later :/

DrezmalOct 21, 20153 votes

her earlly game is only good if you hit vitals and her teamfights are not the best even though she can outplay others really good

YaskamasandwichOct 21, 20151 votes

To answer your question op, the same way everyone else is, you have to counter pick her - NO EXCEPTION! Fiora is designed as a master duelist either she hard counter picks you or you hard counter pick her. Other reason is being in solo que do not expect ganks from jungler or help from mid. Not saying no one ganks top, just that everyone else usually has their hands full. Anyways yep hard counter pick her, no choice, no exception. This kinda seems the route that is somewhat being taken by Riot with all the recent reworks.

HabitzOct 22, 20151 votes

A gank

CatastropOct 22, 20151 votes

When multiple people fight her. She's a the ultimate duelist, both thematically and literally, however any 2v1 scenario is just horrible because she can't focus on hitting one person's vitals without them both bum rushing her. If she's starting to snowball, it's good to have your jungler come to gank if only to get her out of lane or apply some pressure you can you can get a lead, no matter how small.