Read the patchnotes.Pyke. Whats is a "tank build"? he gets 0 hp from items riot.

JohnnyNeverSins·Jun 27, 2018·2 votes·1,682 views

Pyke has seen a lot of success opting into** tank builds** and mixed success with more damage builds. We're looking to encourage his more aggressive, less safe build paths by rewarding him more for building damage.

What tank and what less safe build paths Riot? is considered a safe tank item for a champion that gets 0 hp from the item which is what makes a Tank btw,the hp and the armor-mr stats. Less safe builds? why? was the giving him hp to be considered a "safe item? Honestly Riot,get your shit together.

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Warlord RhinarkJun 27, 20182 votes

I love how Riot keeps wanting us to believe they don't force the meta.

"We don't like him building this one way. We like this way better".

Umbral RegentJun 27, 20182 votes

I think these rare cases of reining in builds like Tank Pyke are less about forcing a meta and more of trying to curb on unhealthy playstyles. I mean, they did the same thing with Tank Ekko.

The flexibility of the meta is fine, so long as the gameplay remains fun, healthy, and interesting. As another example; Look at the nerfs/rebalancings to Taric, Nunu, and Master Yi meant to curb resource-funneling strategies because of how uninteractive they are. That is as much of Riot "forcing a meta" as pushing Pyke closer towards his intended AD-builds is.

Plus, there should be some allowance for designer intent on some aspects of the game. For example, Pyke is a Support Assassin. He's meant to pick out and isolate targets, dip in, gut someone, and bail out. He's meant to build hard into killing tools like Duskblade and Maw of Malmortius, not suiting up in five tank's worth of armor and being the worst of both Tanks and Assassins.

Hell, they foresaw people would build him like that ahead of time, which is why they put that health-to-AD conversion on his Passive. Even still, that didn't stop people from going with a less fun, more effective option.

But, of course, let's just point at Riot narrowing one Champion's build path closer to the intended design and say "lol, totally not forcing a meta" while ignoring the dozens of examples of non-enforced meta shit right beside it. AP Irelia is a genuinely effective thing, and she's been seeing play in nearly every role.

We have Fighters and Mages crowding out bottom lane, and plenty of other oddities to find.

And for all that, all of the nonsense opened up in the recent patches, god forbid they have any say on how an AD Assassin Support should be built.

Warlord RhinarkJun 27, 20181 votes

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I think these rare cases of reining in builds like Tank Pyke are less about forcing a meta and more of trying to curb on unhealthy playstyles. I mean, they did the same thing with Tank Ekko.

The flexibility of the meta is fine, so long as the gameplay remains fun, healthy, and interesting. As another example; Look at the nerfs/rebalancings to Taric, Nunu, and Master Yi meant to curb resource-funneling strategies because of how uninteractive they are. That is as much of Riot "forcing a meta" as pushing Pyke closer towards his intended AD-builds is.

Plus, there should be some allowance for designer intent on some aspects of the game. For example, Pyke is a Support Assassin. He's meant to pick out and isolate targets, dip in, gut someone, and bail out. He's meant to build hard into killing tools like Duskblade and Maw of Malmortius, not suiting up in five tank's worth of armor and being the worst of both Tanks and Assassins.

Hell, they foresaw people would build him like that ahead of time, which is why they put that health-to-AD conversion on his Passive. Even still, that didn't stop people from going with a less fun, more effective option.

But, of course, let's just point at Riot narrowing one Champion's build path closer to the intended design and say "lol, totally not forcing a meta" while ignoring the dozens of examples of non-enforced meta shit right beside it. AP Irelia is a genuinely effective thing, and she's been seeing play in nearly every role.

We have Fighters and Mages crowding out bottom lane, and plenty of other oddities to find.

And for all that, all of the nonsense opened up in the recent patches, god forbid they have any say on how an AD Assassin Support should be built.

Well.

Pushing him towards his intended build path is still forcing the meta.

META means "Most Effective Tactic Available".

Currently, that's Tank Pyke.

If Riot gets rid of Tank Pyke, they get rid of the Most Effective Tactic Available.

Ergo, they force the meta.

And my problem isn't them forcing the meta.

My problem is that they force it, and then still try to act like they aren't, when they clearly are.

Umbral RegentJun 27, 20181 votes

And my point is, if the meta isn't fun or healthy for the game, should Riot really let it be? Especially in such a small place?

Warlord RhinarkJun 27, 20181 votes

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And my point is, if the meta isn't fun or healthy for the game, should Riot really let it be? Especially in such a small place?

Again.

I'm not talking about METAs being fun or healthy here.

The only thing I was talking about is Riot forcing the meta, and then claiming they don't.

I tried to stay as neutral as possible and didn't share any of my own opinions.

I just merely stated that they do, in fact, force the meta.

As for your question, something being "fun" or "healthy" is a subjective thing.

One person can think Tank Pyke is totally fine and the next can hate it to the ends of the Earth.

The point is, no one person can decide what's "fun" or what isn't.

But that's what Riot are deciding.

Riot is deciding "This isn't fun" without holding a poll or a vote or anything.

And then acting afterwards like a goody two-shoes saying "We don't force a thing".

JohnnyNeverSinsJun 27, 20181 votes

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I love how Riot keeps wanting us to believe they don't force the meta.

"We don't like him building this one way. We like this way better".

Man,last year i could play however i wanted a champion because i had the ability to do so with the old runes and the masteries,now? i am forced to play certain runes on certain champions..i hate it.they could just make the old runes free..

Warlord RhinarkJun 27, 20181 votes

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Man,last year i could play however i wanted a champion because i had the ability to do so with the old runes and the masteries,now? i am forced to play certain runes on certain champions..i hate it.they could just make the old runes free..

I want new runes to die.

Old masteries were way better than this.