Garen+Yummi is either bugged or something, because you cant kill him

GripaAviara·Jul 23, 2019·3 votes·2,324 views

I can't damage him. Last game WE ALL ATTACKED him and we dealt 0 damage even after he got his invuln shield down. Then he procedes to kill us all because somehow he outdamages us ALL 5.

Wtf is this. I'm deleting the game if this continues on this buggy way.

How the fk is possible to have a champion that take 0 dmg despite going in without any skill needed and has a 50% hp true damage ultimate.

I hit him once in that game with kite for nearly 20 seconds and dealt maybe 20% pf his HP. WTF

21 Comments

EhtOstäfJul 23, 20193 votes

Maybe that Garen you played adapted his built based on your team's comp. But I do see in some of games he's just impossible to kill; worse than Mundo and Tryn during his ult.

GripaAviaraJul 23, 20191 votes

Adapted? he just had the standard tanky build

Critmaster GarenJul 23, 20191 votes

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Adapted? he just had the standard tanky build

second wind and shield bash. its not the standart.

second wind makes it harder to poke him down, especially with yuumi heals and shields added.

shield bash is a rune that garen would otherwise never take. it grants him additional bonus resistances when yuumi shields him.

this combo would probably work with other juggernauts, or maybe even tanks aswell. i can see this working well with Nasus who would add his lifesteal on top of yuumis sustain and become almost impossible to poke out. especially with wither to disengage all in attempts.

i could see this work with DrMundo too who already has a lot of innate sustain, farms pretty well and deals a lot of damage in melee.

the reason why he dealt so much damage by the way is because Yuumi grants a lot of bonus ad or ap to the champion shes attached to.

GripaAviaraJul 23, 20191 votes

And you find that OK???

Yummi is fking invulnerable so it's basically an undamagable garen you are facing that if he gets close kills you in a 3-4 seconds

Critmaster GarenJul 23, 20191 votes

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And you find that OK???

Yummi is fking invulnerable so it's basically an undamagable garen you are facing that if he gets close kills you in a 3-4 seconds

its a completely new strategy. well see how it plays out.

people might develop counters to it.

if not, riot has to look at support items again. because as i said, a huge part of the reason why this works is, because garen and yuumi both buy gold generation items. this means they scale a lot faster in items than might be intended. same way taric + sona ran double support items to scale faster.

basically instead of just getting gold from minions + one support item, garen gets gold from minions and from his supp item and yuumi gets gold from 2 support items.

pretty sure if you nerfed either champion, then someone would come up with another double support item bot lane.

tempname1232134Jul 23, 20191 votes

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Maybe that Garen you played adapted his built based on your team's comp. But I do see in some of games he's just impossible to kill; worse than Mundo and Tryn during his ult.

a tank adapting to a team comp????/ there is 4 tank items bro LMFAO

PxerkzaJul 23, 20192 votes

PASSIVE: Garen permanently gains Armor icon 0.33 bonus armor and Magic resistance icon 0.33 bonus magic resistance every time he kills an enemy unit, up to a maximum of 50 bonus resistances at 150 unit kills.

ACTIVE: Garen reduces incoming damage by 60% and has 60% Tenacity icon Tenacity for the first 0.75 seconds. For the rest of the duration Garen reduces incoming damage by 30%.

DURATION: 2 / 2.75 / 3.5 / 4.25 / 5

he was also building full tank and you also had no forms of anti tank damage

GripaAviaraJul 23, 20191 votes

I specifically wrote after the spell went off. We kited him to hell but to no avail even if he wasted the Active like a fool in some occasions

PxerkzaJul 23, 20191 votes

and the fact that he was building full tank and you had no anti tank abilities to deal wtih him somehow went over your head

Critmaster GarenJul 23, 20192 votes

its yuumi. her shields and heals are nuts and increase with her allies missing health, so garen/yuumi uses that in combination with garens base health and defensive stats off his w.

they also stack shield bash on top of it, which gives him exta armor and mr during yuumis shields.

another big key component (probably the biggest) is the double support items. garen runs item 3302 and yuumi runs item 3303

overall garen just becomes a vehicle for yuumis poke that is hard to engage on.

that way theyre stacking extra gold generation in the duo lane. its the same concept as with Sona Taric bot lane where both of them get a support item and generate an extra gold stream.

usually you also run orianna mid lane with that combo for another shield + more resistances and another speed boost.

i wanted to play that lane for a while now and try it for myself. its actually interesting to see garen in the bot lane position for pretty much the first time ever.

GripaAviaraJul 23, 20191 votes

I don't know if it's smart for bot, since u can barely farm. But the moment he gets 2 items and Yummi on top of him, he is unkillable and he has enough damage to destroy anyone.

Maybe i donno Vayne, Kaisa or other broken dps champions can deal with him, but otherwise like we saw last game, you can't kill him. You can't damage him almost at all.

This has to be one of the lowest point in this games life. Because it's simply stupid and make me want to delete the game. It's not fair to waste 30 minutes to be faced by an undamagable wall that silences and deals tons of damage despite he is a fking wall

arowin242Jul 23, 20191 votes

that Garen had about 300 armor at the end of the game, combined with his spirit visage (which boosts healing received, including yuumi's) allowed him to easily tank your primarily AD comp (renekton, kha'zix and jayce) despite that he still had about 150+ MR giving him enough survivability against your lux and karma.

to add up on this his 2 damage items where black cleaver and steraks gage, these 2 items alone can boost garen AD into the 250's which allows him to shred your team of primarily squishes apart.

combine this with sterak's gage shield which was probably around 1500 hp worth of shielding, yuumi's healing increasing when her attached partner is on low HP and also giving them AD/AP. yeah no wonder he tore you all apart.

i'm not even going into details such as the villain mechanic, or the fact he carried when he had a xin zhao who was completely AFK. your team apparently did not know how garen functions, at least not completely. also where his other teammates nearby in that last fight? that ahri and vayne could have easily sneaked in allot of damage.

That's all.

GripaAviaraJul 23, 20191 votes

At the end of teh game yes. But he didn't need the end of the game to be like this. We couldn't damage him 15 minutes and 2 items earlier

And wtf is your point really? It;s this ok to have a champion like this? I get the mechanics but that's utterly not the fking point

arowin242Jul 23, 20191 votes

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At the end of teh game yes. But he didn't need the end of the game to be like this. We couldn't damage him 15 minutes and 2 items earlier

so yuumi pretty much was attached on him from 15 mins in? i have a sneaking suspicion that those 2 where communicating / cooperating seeing as he used the shield bash rune, which is usually useless on garen.

not only that it seems he crushed renekton's lane, snowballed of that into the unkillable raid boss state which most juggernauts are infamous for. next time, buy your own black cleaver, lethality / crits wont achieve anything if he builds randuins' omen (which also has a good active for garen.)

communication vastly improves a teams performance, his team consisted out of 1 strong late game character (vanye) 2 strong mid game characters (garen and ahri) and a strong support (yuumi). his team clearly was communicating in order to achieve victory, and they achieved it.

alternatively, buy a lord domoniks regard or mortal reminder next time, if you must rush it so you can deal with him. crit is nice and all, but it wont achieve much without a LDR or mortal reminder to punch trough 300 armour and without IE you can forget damaging someone with randuins.

That's all.

GripaAviaraJul 23, 20191 votes

if you must rush it so you can deal with him.

While it would've helped, was my next to get item, garen wasn't the only one there and alone, without precursor items, that item is useless

I have no problem in the end he won, the problem was that we couldn't deal more that 15% damage to him, all 5 of us in a 20 second fight. That's nuts when you consider he could 2v5 which is not normal at that stage of the game

arowin242Jul 23, 20191 votes

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While it would've helped, was my next to get item, garen wasn't the only one there and alone, without precursor items, that item is useless

I have no problem in the end he won, the problem was that we couldn't deal more that 15% damage to him, all 5 of us in a 20 second fight. That's nuts when you consider he could 2v5 which is not normal at that stage of the game

yeah, well he was lvl 18 and full build, that combined with his natural tankiness trough his W and your karma + lux not buying void staff pretty much makes him unkillable. kha'zix and renekton might as well not bother attacking him: they both fall off harder then garen and if 1 of them is the villain they might as well not exist.

not only that black cleaver only shreds 24% armor, now if this was stacked alongside a fury empowered renekton E (which shreds up to 35% armour) you could have potentionally killed him. also garen is a juggernaut: he is meant to take and deal a lot of punishment, but suffers in the movement department for it, but once he catches up....

if you find yourself playing against garen as jayce: make sure you are his lane opponent, practise the match up. it is an extremely bad matchup for garen and if you take conqueror as well he might as well not exist: once garen falls behind there is no coming back for him.

That's all.

AmeweJul 23, 20191 votes

Garen is a cancer champ and needs to be nerfed or removed

Critmaster GarenJul 23, 20191 votes

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Garen is a cancer champ and needs to be nerfed or removed

im pretty sure like 10 times the people think that about yasuo.

garen is fine as he is.

SolargeoJul 23, 20191 votes

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Garen is a cancer champ and needs to be nerfed or removed

So should Taric be removed too because his passive can make him almost immune to AD damage?

GaurdianAngel815Jul 23, 20191 votes

Similar with Gnar and Yummi botlane. It makes any ADC want to pull their hair off.

GripaAviaraJul 23, 20191 votes

Maybe, but still ... this has to be addressed ASAP.

If I get more games like this when I feel like fighting a raid boss despite similar item cost I'm done with this game (i know he ended the game full build, but at one point he was only a little ahead and he was still nearly unkillable)