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how to beat riven

The Bard Dog··3 votes·1,375 views

Darius Fiora Irelia JarvanIV Jax Poppy XinZhao Kayle Jayce Gnar any one of these champs can easily roflstomp her. especially darius irelia fiora and jayce.

seriously. she's strong, but not op. warn your teammates when she goes missing and the only way she's getting fed is if your team is dumb.

the only people complaining about riven are people who haven't played her and therefore don't know her weaknesses. either punish her very hard when she tries to initiate, or kite her to oblivion. it's not hard at all. whenever i see someone first pick riven i laugh and beg for my team to let me go top. and then i pick one of those MANY champions i listed and proceed to demolish her all game until she rage quits.

counterpicking is a thing. a very powerful thing. and if you're ignoring that and picking someone not inherently strong against all in rushdown champions, then that's your fault and not a problem of balance. she's so strong in solo queue because most people don't ward, choose bad fights, and then continue to try and fight even when they're vastly behind.

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Leti the Yeti5 votes

http://youtu.be/iIfcBe_iI1I?t=1m32s

The Bard Dog1 votes

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http://youtu.be/iIfcBe_iI1I?t=1m32s

woah. you're saying because that riven roflstomped that garen that she can roflstomp all garens of varying skill? gtfo with citing ONE game as reference.

i play riven. i know who shits on me and who i can beat with very careful planning.

i've played multiple games against all of those champions i've listed as riven, and i've found myself very very hard pressed to do much of anything against them.

you wanna e in on darius? lol perfect q, aa, w, aa, and you just lost that trade extremely hard. post 6? true damage on a champion who builds no hp and armor? lolbye. irelia? late game? lolbye jayce? poke poke poke poke poke, e, hammer q, lolbye poppy? lolbye jax? w,e,q. lolbye jarvan? tank. lolbye xin? q,w,e. lolbye kayle? q,e,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa. lolbye gnar? q, aa, aa, aa, aa, aa, aa, mega-gnar w, r. lolbye

Leti the Yeti3 votes

it's a joke meant to rustle you riven mains the rest of us find it a joke video

Malix Farwin1 votes

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woah. you're saying because that riven roflstomped that garen that she can roflstomp all garens of varying skill? gtfo with citing ONE game as reference.

i play riven. i know who shits on me and who i can beat with very careful planning.

i've played multiple games against all of those champions i've listed as riven, and i've found myself very very hard pressed to do much of anything against them.

you wanna e in on darius? lol perfect q, aa, w, aa, and you just lost that trade extremely hard. post 6? true damage on a champion who builds no hp and armor? lolbye. irelia? late game? lolbye jayce? poke poke poke poke poke, e, hammer q, lolbye poppy? lolbye jax? w,e,q. lolbye jarvan? tank. lolbye xin? q,w,e. lolbye kayle? q,e,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa,aa. lolbye gnar? q, aa, aa, aa, aa, aa, aa, mega-gnar w, r. lolbye

now as a joke video you shouldnt take it serious but half the champs you mentioned you should be able to beat as riven

Only Play Darius5 votes

Poppy? Top lane? Against Riven? BAHAHAHAHAH

And this is coming from a Poppy main.

Lord Dusteon2 votes

...Poppy? Fiora? From my experience, Fiora would just get stunned and then punched to death if she Q'd in, and Poppy is pretty weak early (and putting someone weak early and with bad mana vs a manaless strong early seems like a bad idea).

The Bard Dog1 votes

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...Poppy? Fiora? From my experience, Fiora would just get stunned and then punched to death if she Q'd in, and Poppy is pretty weak early (and putting someone weak early and with bad mana vs a manaless strong early seems like a bad idea).

q,w,e, r the second you see riven pop hers. gg. also poppy has a damage reducing passive, %health damage/gapcloser/stun.

Leti the Yeti4 votes

so she does, but poppy's early ame is so bad that she makes nasus look like a bully and you think that will beat riven...

The Bard Dog2 votes

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so she does, but poppy's early ame is so bad that she makes nasus look like a bully and you think that will beat riven...

it will considering poppy is THE BEST late game champion out there.

Leti the Yeti4 votes

if we are talking bout LATE game then the list of champs that could potentially beat Riven is right about... everybody or nobody

poppy has to SURVIVE till late game and thats even harder to do than nasus rivens just gonna go 7/0 in 4 minutes and that "late game" is not going to happen

There's also plenty of champs that do well in lane, or counter riven in lane and just drop off hard late game or doenst scale as hard as Riven You might as well remove Garen and Darius and J4 and... alot of those champions if you're gon tak bout late game

The Bard Dog1 votes

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if we are talking bout LATE game then the list of champs that could potentially beat Riven is right about... everybody or nobody

poppy has to SURVIVE till late game and thats even harder to do than nasus rivens just gonna go 7/0 in 4 minutes and that "late game" is not going to happen

There's also plenty of champs that do well in lane, or counter riven in lane and just drop off hard late game or doenst scale as hard as Riven You might as well remove Garen and Darius and J4 and... alot of those champions if you're gon tak bout late game

darius garen and j4 still beat riven late game. they're all stupidly tanky, and one of them has a true damage nuke that's perfect for drawn out fights. argument invalid. jarvan has a shield+slow, %health passive, escapes, and lockdown. garen has a massive ms boost and armor steroid + execute.

Leti the Yeti2 votes

wanna address the rest of mah argument? yeah didnt think so

and I honestly dont care who's stupid tanky I can rek tanks with a fking Udyr late game without even building last whisper or damage Riven has stupid scalings and she builds last whisper you simply out dps their ass and the one who drops dead first is them

Garens brief speed steroid aint got shit on your 4 gap closers and stun, his execute aint got shit on your bigass shield too Darius is as everyone will tell you, falls off later in the game J4 has a shield? well you have a bigger shield He has initial burst, but not muh in terms of sustained damage

The Bard Dog1 votes

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wanna address the rest of mah argument? yeah didnt think so

and I honestly dont care who's stupid tanky I can rek tanks with a fking Udyr late game without even building last whisper or damage Riven has stupid scalings and she builds last whisper you simply out dps their ass and the one who drops dead first is them

Garens brief speed steroid aint got shit on your 4 gap closers and stun, his execute aint got shit on your bigass shield too Darius is as everyone will tell you, falls off later in the game J4 has a shield? well you have a bigger shield He has initial burst, but not muh in terms of sustained damage

here are my arguments since you refuse to listen. riven will never be a problem late game unless your team is too stupid to focus/counterpick her, and dies from 2 shots from any adc with ie. not to mention if she's got any of the people i listed as in lane opponents barring poppy, she should never even get to late game status because they counter her THAT hard.

ever tried to duel a darius with ravenous hydra and trinity force? riven loses that hard.

like i said. she's strong. not OP. wards, any decent kiting, burst damage, and cc absolutely demolish her because she CANNOT afford to build any tank items, and her ganks only work if a lane is overpushed and doesn't ward.

riven has TONS of counters. but people refuse to figure that out and just decide to pick someone riven demolishes then "QQ riven op"

it's the same thing with akali. easy to counter, but solo queue scrubs can't comprehend that. same with katarina too. same with zed.

51% win rate is not enough to warrant a nerf. neither is her kit. because anyone SMART knows exactly what her kit is good at, and what it's weak at. and they play accordingly.

you're a broken record. the league community is a broken record.

the only people who lose to riven are solo queue scrubs. because that's what riven is good at. dominating dummies in solo queue. anyone with half a brain will counterpick her and demolish her.

Leti the Yeti2 votes

lol ,it's hard to argue about something on the internet, about league, over hypothetical scenarios and everybody including myself being so vague

actually, riven like many of other champs, despite not snowballing often can simply split push and/or be one of the many damage outputs if you accepted darius to be a late game threat, then riven, whom is on the exact same boat, is also such a threat no, darius is not a natural tank, if he's gon go hydra and triforce... he's pretty squishy too

yeap, counterpicks unless it's last pick Riven, then you wont be so fortunate I often dont head top lane first pick of course it's a viable option.. but we need counter play once we are actually in the game not make an attempt to farm as Riven facerolls her keyboard till we die

As for Zed, akali, riv and the rest of em yes they have counters, no.. its not that we havent figured it out and yes, the opposing side has addressed what they believe to be flaws in your argument of course, this goes both ways...

Believe it or not, Riven isn't much of a threat to me the particular style that I've adopted and is quite fond of coincidentally is quite a counter to Riven but that does not stop be from advocating for her nerfs,

Malix Farwin1 votes

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it will considering poppy is THE BEST late game champion out there.

late game you are no longer going against a single champion, you do know that correct?

Syn Zykan1 votes

Fiora and Riven comes down to how they play. If Riven uses her Q in the minion wave, wait for her to use the 3rd one and then immediately engage. You'll out trade her and back off (don't get greedy). You'll sustain the damage, Riven wont. If you engage when Riven has her skills up of course she is going to decimate you in that exchange.

Lord Dusteon2 votes

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Fiora and Riven comes down to how they play. If Riven uses her Q in the minion wave, wait for her to use the 3rd one and then immediately engage. You'll out trade her and back off (don't get greedy). You'll sustain the damage, Riven wont. If you engage when Riven has her skills up of course she is going to decimate you in that exchange.

So Fiora wins lane...assuming Riven wastes her skills on minions.

Yeah, not seeing that as much of a bad matchup for Riven.

Syn Zykan1 votes

I have never seen a riven not use her Q on minions, at least the first 2 casts. It really is a matchup that depends entirely on the 2 players and their junglers. Their goals should not be to "win lane" either as those 2, it should be to skirmish and roam to get kills elsewhere as they both have insane kill potential on each other. I'd give the edge to a Fiora in it simply because as long as she trades back she will heal back up due to her passive whereas Riven is just SoL unless she builds early lifesteal or manages to out trade fiora (which is way harder than it seems unless Fiora missteps).

Wînter Fox2 votes

"51% win rate!?!? OMG TEH STUNSSHIELDSDAMAGE OOOPPPPPPPP"

I hoestly think the forums will never be satisfied until Riven is deleted.

mvargus5 votes

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"51% win rate!?!? OMG TEH STUNSSHIELDSDAMAGE OOOPPPPPPPP"

I hoestly think the forums will never be satisfied until Riven is deleted.

I said this earlier today in a discussion regarding Annie. There is a small but very vocal group in the game that seems to want champs they can't beat changed rather than to learn how to beat the champion. Riven appears to be one of the ones that you either don't mind, or hate. Even the people who main her admit there are significant weaknesses in her kit, but players who refuse to learn her patterns and how to counter them just scream "she's OP".

I don't know which I consider worse, the fact that these kids won't listen, or the fact that they have never been taught to think out how to overcome a problem and instead want the problem removed for them.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

one side advocates for change another side says to suck it up and deal with it and last side says shes okay and no on one listens, not just the ones who think she's op... after all, who can say whos right

It bothers me that you are attacking the people.. rather than the argument thats like debunking an arguments just cuz of their rank.. or cuz theyre kids or watever is speaking up not a way to overcome a problem?

not everyones a rager, and not every thread is a rant plenty of legit points have been brought up that garnered no hate watsoever... so theyre kids too?

mvargus1 votes

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one side advocates for change another side says to suck it up and deal with it and last side says shes okay and no on one listens, not just the ones who think she's op... after all, who can say whos right

It bothers me that you are attacking the people.. rather than the argument thats like debunking an arguments just cuz of their rank.. or cuz theyre kids or watever is speaking up not a way to overcome a problem?

not everyones a rager, and not every thread is a rant plenty of legit points have been brought up that garnered no hate watsoever... so theyre kids too?

If this was the first post ever about Riven, there would be reason to say that there are arguments to consider, but in the 2 weeks I have been coming to the boards daily I have seen at least 14 different "nerf Riven" threads. It is clear that there no longer are any new arguments being presented. Instead its a laundry list of the same "I can't beat her because she has X ability" Of course, the posts to nerf her usually generate a response post like this one which says "there are ways to beat Riven".

That is why my post was "attacking" the people who come here to complain about Riven. In my opinion they add nothing of value and the fact that most refuse to read any post explaining that there are ways to beat Riven has made their entire argument false.

Sorry if you have a problem with that, but I stand by my posts premise. We no longer are teaching children to work out how to solve problems with hard work, so we now have people who's solution to any problem is to demand that the problem be removed for them. I never said it was their fault they didn't learn something they weren't taught. If anything I blame today's no responsibility culture.

Syn Zykan2 votes

cant believe you don't mention Lissandra who is practically designed to wreck her in lane and team fights if needed XD

straight4free2 votes

Fiora does not counter Riven, and neither does Gnar.

That's all I can say from personal experience, but it leads me to doubt the rest of them.

Regardless, just because a champion is counterable does not mean that her mindless aggression that wins a majority of match-ups is balanced.

#gutriven2015

Malix Farwin1 votes

dunno about fiora but i can say gnar definitely does not

TheKingDodo1 votes

Nasus Out sustains, Out scales, Out pwns

Only Play Darius1 votes

Was playing Nasus once against Riven who was playing hyperaggresive on me early game, this doggie would have none of that.

Rushed a item 3110 , withered and spirit flared every time she ran through my minion waves just to harass me, sent her back to base crying each time.

Thank ú Next1 votes

Riven isn't really broken, she's just really strong compared to other snowball champions. Compare her to a Master Yi to say. Honestly Master Yi can screw anyone up but if he's cc'ed then he's dead. Same thing with Riven. The only problem is her kit. At 40% CDR it's hard to catch a Riven out or even outrun a Riven with most champions. I believe that Riven should receive slight CD boosts to keep other champions at the same level with her. Honestly, seeing a Riven 1v5 is very discouraging, fed or not.

If her cooldowns are ok but if not that then atleast a smaller ratio on her shield. It is unimaginable for her to have a 3.6 sec shield with 400+ DMG absorption and mobility.

Her stun is also an issue but not because it's a stun but because it's put on a champion with such a high burst already. Her ult at 40% CDR is just 30 seconds, enough to catch someone out, execute them, and be back for the teamfight.

Her counters in my opinion is Annie, Lissandra, Ahri, Garen, Olaf (Perhaps), Jax, Gnar, and Poppy.

Annie, Lissandra, and Ahri have both lockdown and can burst down a Riven. Garen has the 2.5 sec silence and a good amount of DMG for a tank (not like it matters cause LW) and an Executioner spell with an Armor and MR passive boost, 30% DMG reduction and CC reduction. Olaf has his ult to avoid disables and in duels MAY(or may NOT) out sustain Riven (Similar to Aatrox in the sense that his ult removes disables and grants him bonus Armor and MR). Jax has consistent DMG and a dodge/stun and Armor/MR steroid. Gnar can kite well and do good DMG in his Mega Form. The only problem would be his aa range in his Mini Form is so small, it may allow Riven to catch up and burst Gnar down. Poppy - put her ult on support and proceed to destroy Riven in the given time. Not to mention her passive and passive on W makes her well tanky enough to deal with Riven.

With Darius and Irelia, I have not experience match ups with those yet but Darius can win against most top laners but Irelia I don't actually see her being a "true" counter to Riven. Elaborate if someone will.

Malix Farwin1 votes

Think about rivens nerfs, its not really surprising considering everyone around her started being nerfed down to her level. it is possible to beat her but it is way too easy for her to snowball especially when you consider how hard assassins got hit for doing just that.

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