Skin Theme Matchup: Blood Moon vs Battlecast

Electro522··5 votes·6,157 views

Hello Everybody!

After making my "Next Battlecast Skin" thread, which can be found here, I thought it would be interesting to dive into something that I believe has not been done before.

As you may have noticed, Riot is starting to complete skin lines, and even send out skin lines that have a full team already dedicated to it (such as the Pool Party line). I figured I would dive into these team comps, and evaluate how they would work. Also, I thought it would be interesting to analyze a possible matchup between the teams, and give my own opinion, while also asking for the opinion of the community, of how that match would possibly play out (under the assumption that each player playing that champ has very good understanding of how that champ works (or, how we like to say "mains" them)).

So, my first iteration of this series will be the two newest skin lines that have just been completed (or, in Blood Moon's case, very close to being completed); Battlecast vs Blood Moon (do take note that if a skin line has multiple champs to fill the same role, I will choose which champ is regarded by the community as the overall better choice for that role)

http://i.imgur.com/3JNXemc.png?1


The Blood Moon Line:

Top Lane: http://loldb.gameguyz.com/images/skins_big_skin_fid_path/shen-blood-moon.jpg

Jungle: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kL3HjEsJres/VIGmsoaE1kI/AAAAAAAAe94/p8Ew1mqVg4U/s1600/Elise_Splash_3%2B-%2BCopy.jpg

Mid: http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Akali_5.jpg

ADC: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141113220209/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/8/89/Kalista_BloodMoonSkin.jpg/613x460x2-Kalista_BloodMoonSkin.png

Support: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HnAtrhcrrZc/VIGmtwBeEkI/AAAAAAAAe-Q/EJ8r_sJCC7Y/s1600/Thresh_Splash_3%2B-%2BCopy.jpg

Team Comp Breakdown

Just at first glance, you can tell that this team has a TON of mobility. Dashes, jumps, a teleport, a lantern, etc. There is no doubt that this team can easily stick to whichever target they choose. However, that is also their weakness. This entire team is primarily single target focused, with very little in terms of AOE. Most people would call this a pick comp, or a team that lacks in team-fighting capability, and thus focuses on keeping priority targets out of the fights.

Then again, they make up for this weakness in just sheer damage. Akali is already known for snowballing out of control, and winning games pretty much single handedly (at least in the lower elo's). Add on the VERY scary bot lane of Kalista and Thresh, and Elise's percent health damage, you can pretty much guarantee that whoever this team decides to take down, they will do so VERY quickly.


The Battlecast Line

Top: http://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/images/news/August_2012/2012_08_03_BCPCho_Release/Battlecast_Prime_Chogath_splash.jpg

Jungle: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141113221158/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/f/f0/Skarner_BattlecastAlphaSkin.jpg/613x460x2-Skarner_BattlecastAlphaSkin.png

Mid: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131024165247/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/1/12/Viktor_CreatorSkin.jpg/614x461x2-Viktor_CreatorSkin.png

ADC: http://i.imgur.com/RBlVNPK.jpg

Support: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140214194213/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/0/05/Vel'Koz_BattlecastSkin.jpg/613x460x2-Vel'Koz_BattlecastSkin.png

Team Comp Breakdown

Damage, damage, and more damage, with a side of damage. You think just the Void wanted to destroy everything? HA! The Battlecast team would like to have a word with you.

In all seriousness, though, this team comp is basically the exact opposite of the Blood Moon line (except for the damage part). An extremely beefy front line, with one hell of a damage dealing back line. Plenty of crowd control, coupled with a decent amount of AOE. Their main weakness though is that NONE of these champs have any forms of escape. They can disengage quite well, but engaging is a different story. If anyone jumps on one to take them out, their only hope is to either flash away, or tank-and-spank it, and pray to God they live.

In terms of team-fighting, however, they excel at. Near the end of this LCS season (at least in the NA LCS), we had a team comp called "protect the Kog" comp. This team primarily focused on keeping Kog'maw alive long enough in order to deal the damage he needed. This team is somewhat similar, except of actually defending a single champ, they clean up afterwards if that champ is to go down, simply due to the number of threats on the field.


The Hypothetical Battle Review

LANES

Top: ShenvsChogath

A slap fest if I've ever seen one. Both champs are relatively low damage dealing, and kind of counteract each other. Shen has decent poke, whereas Cho has awesome sustain. Shen uses energy, and Cho uses mana. As long as Cho does have mana, he would be quite the annoyance to Shen, with the constant knockups, and being able to heal anything Shen throws at him. On the other hand, Shen could potentially be an annoyance to Cho, with the constant poke, taunts, and shields.

Cho does tend to have slightly better waveclear though, thus, Shen would more then likely be pushed more towards his tower for most of the laning phase. However, keeping Shen under his turret is potentially a very risky move. The old saying of "Never Chase a Singed" should be coupled with "Never Tower Dive a Shen"; its just plain stupid.

More then likely, these two will just focus on farming and wait for ganks to come, both of which are great at setting them up.

Jungle: ElisevsSkarner

With the new jungle changes, I suspect that both junglers would have a very difficult time clearing, at least early on. Once they get a few levels, and possibly a few more health pots, they both will be fine.

In terms of clear speed, Skarner obviously wins. The small, spam-able, AOE Q he has is just awesome at taking down camps. Not to mention he can soak up alot of the damage by just using his shield, something that Elise has to rely on her spiderlings to do, which takes some practice.

In terms of ganking, Elise is the obvious winner. This past LCS season, Elise was considered to be one of the best junglers in the game, especially early on in the season. Although she was nerfed, and also kind of out-meta'd, she still retains most of that former power, IF the player knows exactly what they're doing. Her stun, and then immediate gap-closer makes her excellent at locking in those early kills. She can also be built fairly tanky, and be used more as a utility jungler then a damage dealing one.

Mid: AkalivsViktor

Not an easy lane for Viktor. Akali is very well known for punishing any mistakes that a low mobility mage will make, thus, Viktor would not only have to play it extremely safe, but be damned sure not to make a single mistake. If Viktor can stay back and zone Akali out with his laser, he might have a chance at winning the lane.

If Akali is to get even slightly fed, there is no chance in hell Viktor could shut her down. The only hope he would have after that is to focus on objectives and famring, and keep an eye on her to keep his teammates safe, because his bottom lane will not have a fun time either. Speaking of...

Bot: KalistaThreshvsKogMawVelkoz

I honestly do not see Kog and Vel coming out on top in this situation at all unless the two were much more highly skilled then the Kalista-Thresh duo (but, like I said, we won't get into that). The synergy between Kalista and Thresh is just stunning. The only hope for these two to win this lane is to hug their tower, and pray that Skarner could pull of somewhat of an impressive gank. They would also want to keep their area heavily warded, because Akali will have no trouble whatsoever taking out both of them, especially if Thresh tanks the tower for her.

Kog and Vel have to play EXTREMELY safe, and pray that they could capitalize on any possible mistake the other two will make.


Team-fighting

If the Battlecast team can survive the onslaught of the laning phase, they may just be able to pull through. However, the Blood Moon team has the capability of completely running away with the game, and possibly even forcing a surrender.

Once teamfights start to happen, the Battlecast team would want to force those fights. They should never leave the company of their teammates, even if its Cho or Skarner, because the Blood Moon team will make very short work of whoever it is.

As for the Blood Moon team, they would want to stay away from those teamfights, and play a guerilla warfare type of game. A possible good strategy would be to have a 1-3-1 split push, that way they can break the Battlecast team up, and pick off those priority targets.

However, they would want to finish their game as quickly as possible, because the Battlecast team has a MUCH stronger late game then the Blood Moon team does. Everyone knows of the VERY scary late game Kog'maw. Back that up with a Cho'gath that could eat up everything the Blood Moon team has to throw at him, and a Skarner that can lock down that Akali for a short time, Kog has the potential to completely wreck the Blood Moon team. If he is to go down, the Battlecast team can still pull through. Viktor and Vel'koz should not be ignored. Even though Kog will be doing most of the damage, the burst from Viktor, and the true damage from Vel still has the potential to decimate the entire Blood Moon team.

Oh yeah, and Cho can literally eat whoever gets to a low enough health.


Conclusion

In my opinion, I feel the Blood Moon team holds the advantage. If they can start snowballing enough, the Battlecast team won't stand a chance. That being said, with every minute that goes by in the game, the Blood Moon team has less and less of a chance at winning. Kog will only hurt more, Cho will eat up more damage, and Skarner will lock down targets more frequently. Once the Blood Moon team starts losing ground, the Battlecast team could steam roll right through them, and into their base.

So, what do you guys think? Will the Blood Moon team win, or Battlecast?

30 Comments

Joppalo2 votes

I kinda think that Akali would have an easy time snowballing against Viktor, making it pretty easy for her to blow up Velkoz KogMaw and Viktor in a team fight later on, but her shroud is pretty much useless against the lineup of ground targeted abilities (And mostly Viktor's ult) that battlecast has.

But overall, I think Bloodmoon has a bigger advantage with their ability to initiate, and the ability to determine the timing of team fights would win it for them, imho.

And as a side note, what an awesome thread! Thanks for the time and effort put into it, and I look forward to more!

Electro5221 votes

Why thank you! I belive my next one will be Arcade vs Dragonslayer. Yes, they both aren't complete lineups, but I have ideas for champs that could possibly fill in the gaps.

Talamare1 votes

Why thank you! I belive my next one will be Arcade vs Dragonslayer. Yes, they both aren't complete lineups, but I have ideas for champs that could possibly fill in the gaps.

Have the Vandals fight someone

Electro5221 votes

Oh, I haven't forgot about the Vandals. I believe they need a support, right?

How about Zyra? I think she could fit in quite well with the overall theme.

Talamare1 votes

Oh, I haven't forgot about the Vandals. I believe they need a support, right?

How about Zyra? I think she could fit in quite well with the overall theme.

Vandals have 5, Brand, Gragas, Jax, Twitch, Vladimir Don't pollute their line up with Zyra

Brand can 'support'

Joppalo1 votes

Oh, I haven't forgot about the Vandals. I believe they need a support, right?

How about Zyra? I think she could fit in quite well with the overall theme.

Vandals have 5, Brand, Gragas, Jax, Twitch, Vladimir Don't pollute their line up with Zyra

Brand can 'support'

Ya know, thinking about Vandal Jax.....

...he really doesn't fit the "badass-biker" theme that the other vandals do. He just kinda has a board with a nail in it. That's like Jinx-level vandalism at best.

Electro5221 votes

My thinking exactly. He may have "vandal" in his name, but he lacks the biker outfit.

Talamare1 votes

Ya know, thinking about Vandal Jax.....

...he really doesn't fit the "badass-biker" theme that the other vandals do. He just kinda has a board with a nail in it. That's like Jinx-level vandalism at best.

While true, he still has the name theme going... Altho I feel the need to mention, Jinx is no where near small time as a guy getting into street fights with a board with nails on it

She is a full on legit terrorist! In her lore she literally blew up and brought down an extremely well secured high importance government building and she gave the impression that not only would she blow up even more buildings, but that she has done it before.

Joppalo1 votes

Ya know, thinking about Vandal Jax.....

...he really doesn't fit the "badass-biker" theme that the other vandals do. He just kinda has a board with a nail in it. That's like Jinx-level vandalism at best.

While true, he still has the name theme going... Altho I feel the need to mention, Jinx is no where near small time as a guy getting into street fights with a board with nails on it

She is a full on legit terrorist! In her lore she literally blew up and brought down an extremely well secured high importance government building and she gave the impression that not only would she blow up even more buildings, but that she has done it before.

Right, but I meant in the sense of her graffiti-esque, name-calling antics that littered the site before her release.

Although, imagining Jax on a Jinx-level of destruction is exciting to say the least!

"Imagine if I had a REAL weapon..." Grabs AK-47

Talamare1 votes

Ya know, thinking about Vandal Jax.....

...he really doesn't fit the "badass-biker" theme that the other vandals do. He just kinda has a board with a nail in it. That's like Jinx-level vandalism at best.

While true, he still has the name theme going... Altho I feel the need to mention, Jinx is no where near small time as a guy getting into street fights with a board with nails on it

She is a full on legit terrorist! In her lore she literally blew up and brought down an extremely well secured high importance government building and she gave the impression that not only would she blow up even more buildings, but that she has done it before.

Right, but I meant in the sense of her graffiti-esque, name-calling antics that littered the site before her release.

Although, imagining Jax on a Jinx-level of destruction is exciting to say the least!

"Imagine if I had a REAL weapon..." Grabs AK-47

Quick someone make a flash of Jax getting progressively bigger more dangerous weapons

like he starts with like a leaf then like a stick, then a dagger, a sword, a spear, a polearm, a bow, a pistol, a shotgun, an assault rifle, a sniper rifle, a rocket launcher, a cannon, a rocket pod, a nuke XD

Electro5221 votes

I forgot about Jax, but Joppalo makes a good point.

If not Zyra, then who would fit in?

ƒæµ1 votes

Blood moon would not win with a Elise and Shen lol lets face it all they have is a good support and mid. Viktor is also supppper strong.

Battle cast wins top, jungle, and bot. Mid ties. Blood moon loses top, jungle and bot, and only ties mid.

Also with a Cho, skar, and Kog; the longer this game goes the easier it is for them.

Electro5221 votes

I would like to disagree. Viktor maybe strong, yes, but Akali can still, very easily come out on top.

Battlecast Bot lane, I can really not see winning. I think people are under rating Kalista right now. In solo que, yes, she has a risk at becoming useless. In a premade team, though, I can see her dominating, and that is where this whole thing focuses on. I made this under the assumption that every player knows their champ VERY well, and that their are no disconnects.

But, as I said in the original post, I agree with you on the amount of time the game takes. The longer that game goes on, the less of a chance the Blood Moon team has at winning.

Talamare1 votes

Viktor easily wins the lane vs Akali pre-6

Post 6 he just needs to farm under tower

Mid to Late game, he should be building pretty tank, so he won't be instagibbed and Akali is then basically done for the rest of the match, considering Cho and Skarner are peeling, aka you get Silence and removed from the game

Then its a battle of who has better CC's, and again Cho, Vel and Vik absolutely dominate it with their AoE Stuns

Thresh CC is not enough

Talamare1 votes

Other interesting line ups

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Electro5221 votes

Awesome! I was trying to find a list of skin themes, but could never find a reliable one. I will most definitely use this in the future. Thank you!

I will say, however, that a lot of these lines simply won't work as actual teams, which is what I want to achieve. For example, the mafia line. Really cool skin line, but nothing but ADCs.

Talamare1 votes

Awesome! I was trying to find a list of skin themes, but could never find a reliable one. I will most definitely use this in the future. Thank you!

I will say, however, that a lot of these lines simply won't work as actual teams, which is what I want to achieve. For example, the mafia line. Really cool skin line, but nothing but ADCs.

They may not fit the meta, but such teams are not impossible to win It would be awesome if we could get a dozen of challenger players to do these matches haha

Electro5221 votes

I'm down.

Somebody, contact TSM and Cloud 9. Maybe they'll do it like they did URF!

BLU Medic1 votes

I think it would hinge on whether Viktor can smash Akali before level 6 and whether Vel'Koz can land those passive True Damage stacks, because they really hurt if you don't have great sustain. But against the hyper-mobile Kalista (free orbwalking!) that would be incredibly hard.

trash at mid1 votes

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This is beautiful!!!

Electro5221 votes

Whether you're being serious or not, I still have to say thank you!

:D

Sooko1 votes

Battlecast also seems to have longer range and better poke than Bloodmoon, and that is the main reason why I think they still stand a pretty solid chance, assuming they manage to play very safely early game and farm from a distance.

Legostrike1 votes

Whoever is smarter then the other team wins. Battlecast wins so long as they survive long enough and get a goodly amount of gold, Bloodmoon if they can push them down fast enough. Both wins require the strategy and smarts to accomplish.

Kãtãrinã1 votes

You do know Elise takes like 0 damage in the jungle and doesn't have as much a mana problem as Skarner Yes skar has AOE spamable ability but elise just QWRWQ and clears a full camp quite quickly with little to no damage.

333lom1 votes

Awesome thread! I was wondering if someone was enthusiastic enough to analyze team compositions like this, and you made a very interesting breakdown of their strengths and weaknesses.

I just have to speak here, almost every Akali I went against on mid lane as Viktor , I beat her hands down, no trouble at all. If that was only one or two, that could be explained with unexperienced Akali players, but that's not the case - I think the approach is very important. Vik can poke really hard; Q Akali from a distance, and even if she returns an attack, his shield will mitigate most of the damage. Her being a close range, using the laser, he can very nicely keep her away from farm. A small problem becomes when she gains her shroud, because at that moment she can get close enough to enter attack range. Vik should back away then, and may drop the Grav field inside, if he feels threatened. Firing the laser inside can still damage her, if you predict well enough where to shoot. I know that her ultimate can cause trouble, because he is squishy as hell. Fast reflexes can save him, though; shield from Q, ulti on her (because she's too focused on attacking to run away from the Chaos Storm), Gravity field and then decide whether to continue attacking or to back away. Maybe a big problem is that people fire his ultimate on her before she does her ultimate.

So I'm now confused, because I don't feel like Akali is a tough matchup for Viktor.

Electro5221 votes

I was simply guessing the matchup, in all honesty. I have yet to see a Viktor and Akali get matched up, so, I was writing under the generalization of mages normally being weak against Akali.

I could very well be wrong on the matchup, considering the amount of people that have said that Viktor actually does quite well against her.

Anyway, thanks for the compliment! I'm actually about to start on the next article, which will be Arcade vs Dragonslayer

BluePolarizer1 votes

If Kog/Vel can survive laning phase with no deaths and less than 30 CS behind, they will steamroll in team fights. Kalista has a terrible mid-game where she doesn't have both hte damage and attack speed needed to kite enemies while doing heavy damage to them - she needs at least the IE/Shiv core. Meanwhile Kog merely has a terrible early laning phase. If Kalista is ever forced to back before a BF sword, then there's no turning back. If Kog is forced to back, all Kog needs is to buy components of Triforce which are cheap. His Triforce/BoRK core is very easy to buy, and Kog never needs to buy BF sword - he can already blow up tanks easily with BoRK, Triforce, Phantom Dancer, Boots, LW and defensive item. That means that it is almost impossible to suppress Kog from farming unless Kalista/Thresh completely zone Kog out - but that means eating Vel'Koz poke.

In addition, each component of triforce makes Kog harder and harder to duel - phage makes him more mobile and tankier, sheen increases his burst, and zeal increases his DPS. Kalista's BF sword, Cloak of Agility and Pickaxe don't have nearly the same impact (all they do is increase DPS), and all are much harder to farm.

Basically, if Kog/Vel don't feed hard in lane, they will be much more useful in teamfights.

Viktor has the potential to dominate Akali from level 1. Viktor is far more like Annie or Syndra (burst mages) than like Xerath or Ziggs (poke/waveclear mages). He has a ranged point-and-click shield/lich bane style proc that wrecks melees. His gravity field wrecks melees. His laser can zone Akali out from farm easily, especially if Viktor takes full AP/mpen runes. If Akali can snowball, it will only be post-6; pre-6, she will be zoned hard. In general, Akali is very good against skillshot based poke mages - she isnt good against point-and-click burst mages. If Akali fails to snowball, however, Viktor will continue dominating the entire game. This means mid is going to be a priority gank target, since in the absence of intervention, Viktor will be highly dominant, while if Viktor dies even once, Akali can snowball out of control. Elise is a better early ganker than Skarner is, so Viktor has to dominate the lane without pushing too hard, otherwise he risks being shut down by Elise.

bananaman3131 votes

Gonna use some logic here... What is a pair of katanas, a web, some scythes, a spear, and a hook is going to do to hunks of metal? not gonna even make a dent

Gonna vote for Battlecast cause LEAGUE OF LOGICS

and 2nd of all

For battlecast, couldn't the support also be Xerath? I mean, I know that Battlecast Xerath was released before the Battlecast line, but still...Xerath

Electro5221 votes

Well, damn, how did you find this? I thought this thread was lost eons ago.

bananaman3131 votes

The wonders of Google

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