2 years of "better bot lane wins" was enough. I'd much rather get destroyed by a swain/fiddle, than watch a tristana lulu stand still and right click me for 2k dmg in a second ever fucking again. Or twitch from 900 range destroying your whole team with fucking ardent. I hope riot is done buffing and catering to adcs.
Hayaishi6 votesThen u realize "better bot wins" has nothing to do with whether or not adcs are mandatory
Poske3 votesThen u realize "better bot wins" has nothing to do with whether or not adcs are mandatory
This is just straight up False
Marskman had highest game impact for around 2 years up until recently
Role power sort of looked like this
Midlane power 100 Jungle power 125 Toplane power 75 Support power 110 ADC power 200
And it didnt matter if for example you are such a good midlaner won mid to a point you are at 150 power and the enemy midlaner is at 50 power. Because ADC influence outclassed all other influences
You see during the "better bot wins era" Better toplane lost so often
Mizaya1 votesIf you listened to Apdo a while ago, he said that mid laners had 2nd highest influence in the game behind supports and picking a top tier mid laner you could still carry a trash bot lane. To be clear, he did believe that bot was the strongest lane but ADC was only the 3rd most influential role.
D357R0Y3R5 votesI hope they do I was for diversity until I realised that playing against Heimer Swain bot lane and other shit like that is way more cancerous than playing against Caitlyn
I don't even ban Cait anymore when I play Lucian, there is just too much cancer to deal with
I really don't mind playing against bruisers bot lane, playing against melees as an adc is still easy But playing against mage bot lane+ mage bot lane, or double support with the nerf of fleet and hp regen, the poke has become so fucking obnoxious i can't deal with it
swain+fiddle bot heimer+fiddle heimer+morgana vlad+brand, lol this one is so hilarious vlad amplifies brand aoe damage and you+your support will end up getting oneshot
Poske2 votesHEXDRINKER
You know that fking broken item called hexdrinker?
You can also take oblivion orb Edit: Nullifying orb
If ADC mains actually start taking those and still struggle then we can talk YOU CAN BUILD HEXDRINKER in any of those examples and make them look stupid
But we have to wait some time for that because aparently ADC players have Chimp IQ
D357R0Y3R1 votesYea, Uzi is such a chimp damn my idol is actually bad at the game
OtterlyLost1 votesHEXDRINKER
You know that fking broken item called hexdrinker? You can also take oblivion orb
If ADC mains actually start taking those and still struggle then we can talk YOU CAN BUILD HEXDRINKER in any of those examples and make them look stupid
But we have to wait some time for that because aparently ADC players have Chimp IQ
Oblivion orb is an ap magic pen item. Dafuq are you smoking? [sg-lux-2]
Second, ADCs do build hexdrinker but they cant build it first or they wont have damage It delays their builds. They arent like AD assassins and have huge, insane AD ratios on their abilities so any AD they get will make them do damage. They're AA based and sure, the AD they get will give them damage but not nearly as much as it would on an assassin. They need their crit quickly if they want to do damage.
Poske1 votesOblivion orb is an ap magic pen item. Dafuq are you smoking? [sg-lux-2]
Nullifying orb* Honest mistake
Second, ADCs do build hexdrinker but they cant build it first or they wont have damage
And thats where you are wrong. You see mages cant rush Armguard vs Zed/talon because its equal to trolling (or very few mages who arent mana gated can - like kennen). But that is because armguard is innefficient garbage of item while hexdrinker is OP
I can guarantee you there is everything correct with ADC rushing hexdrinker vs double ap matchup. As a multiple times Ex challenger you can quote me on that
OtterlyLost2 votesNullifying orb* Honest mistake
And thats where you are wrong. You see mages cant rush Armguard vs Zed/talon because its equal to trolling (or very few mages who arent mana gated can - like kennen). But that is because armguard is innefficient garbage of item while hexdrinker is OP
I can guarantee you there is everything correct with ADC rushing hexdrinker vs double ap matchup. As a multiple times Ex challenger you can quote me on that
Except mages can build seekers first. It's an item they commonly buy anyway and, unlike ADCs, they only need one item for their spike. ADCs need at least IE and a Zeal Item to actually come online. So they're only delaying their 3200 gold power spike by 1300 gold and it doesn't affect their damage at all. Because they're ability based like AD assassins. ._.
Where as an ADC getting a hexdrinker first delays their two item, 6200 gold spike by 1300 gold and forit's for, honestly, less stats than armguard gives. 20 AD and 35 MR and a magic shield is not half as good as getting a component item that stacks an extra 15 armor and MR onto itself just for CSing. It's literally made for sitting on through laning phase and countering lethality because it literally scales armor onto itself for a maximum of 45 Armor with 35 AP. Hexdrinker will always only have a paltry 20 AD and 35 MR. :/
Poske1 votesExcept mages can build seekers first.
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**Except mages cant build ARMGUARD. DO IT IN MY ELO AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY LL HAVE CANCER WISHED UPON (not by me). I AM SERIOUS DO NOT BUILD THAT TRASH ITEM. YOU COUNTER ZED/TALON WITH RUNES SUCH AS BONEPLATING AND IF YOU ARENT EVEN SLIGHTLY BEHIND YOU CAN GET CLOTH WHICH YOU ARE HOPING NOT TO FUSE AT ALL BEFORE A GAME ENDS **
HEXDRINKER EFFICENCY WITHOUT FKING PASSIVE IS OVER 100% and it reachew over 150% efficiency with passive. given the mage cooldowns its more efficient then that but this cant really be put into statistics
Mage build is extremly straightforward nowdays
(If to expensive get GLP) > 
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> Doesnt matter the game is over
If champion waveclear doesnt scale past level 9 get rabadon. (Le blanc, Ahri, many others) If champion waveclear scaels past level 9 get voidstaff. (Orianna, Syndra, Veigar, Taliyah, etc)
Few champions build lichbane> Twisted fate, ekko and fizz There is a ryze for whom entire mage itemization is desgined for, (biased ryze main did itemization update), There is vladimir who can like break couple of items if they are ever slightly viable. Shurleya, twin shadow, Spellbinder. He rushes proto Brand has his Ice fire gold build but he shouldnt be picked for mid anyway
Thats it the more you deviate from this rules the more trash midlaner you are ONLY A SUBHUMAN GARBAGE PLAYER WOULD BUILD ARMGUARD PERIOD, ITS A BAD BUY EVEN VS FULL AD COMPS
It's an item they commonly buy anyway and, unlike ADCs, they only need one item for their spike. ADCs need at least IE and a Zeal Item to actually come online. So they're only delaying their 3200 gold power spike by 1300 gold and it doesn't affect their damage at all. Because they're ability based like AD assassins. ._.
Mages do not spike with 1 item. The only reason THEY GET THIS FKING ITEM IS SO THAT THEY CAN FUNCTION AT ALL MAGE ITEMIZATION IS KEPT AT BEING UTTER JOKE / GARBAGE SHITFEST mainly not to increase a popularity of already most popular role (Riot ll never admit this). Riot has no idea how to decrease midlane popularity, increase support popoularity so mage itemization has to be retarded.
Where as an ADC getting a hexdrinker first delays their two item, 6200 gold spike by 1300 gold and forit's for, honestly, less stats than armguard gives. 20 AD and 35 MR and a magic shield is not half as good as getting a component item that stacks an extra 15 armor and MR onto itself just for CSing. It's literally made for sitting on through laning phase and countering lethality because it literally scales armor onto itself for a maximum of 45 Armor with 35 AP. Hexdrinker will always only have a paltry 20 AD and 35 MR. :/
:/ Low elo just build hexdrinker and swallow your hardstuck pride
OtterlyLost1 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-facepalm]
**Except mages cant build ARMGUARD. DO IT IN MY ELO AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY LL HAVE CANCER WISHED UPON (not by me). I AM SERIOUS DO NOT BUILD THAT TRASH ITEM. YOU COUNTER ZED/TALON WITH RUNES SUCH AS BONEPLATING AND IF YOU ARENT EVEN SLIGHTLY BEHIND YOU CAN GET CLOTH WHICH YOU ARE HOPING NOT TO FUSE AT ALL BEFORE A GAME ENDS **
HEXDRINKER EFFICENCY WITHOUT FKING PASSIVE IS OVER 100% and it reachew over 150% efficiency with passive. given the mage cooldowns its more efficient then that but this cant really be put into statistics
Mage build is extremly straightforward nowdays
If champion waveclear doesnt scale past level 9 get rabadon. (Le blanc, Ahri, many others) If champion waveclear scaels past level 9 get voidstaff. (Orianna, Syndra, Veigar, Taliyah, etc)
Few champions build lichbane> Twisted fate, ekko and fizz There is a ryze for whom entire mage itemization is desgined for, (biased ryze main did itemization update), There is vladimir who can like break couple of items if they are ever slightly viable. Shurleya, twin shadow, Spellbinder. He rushes proto Brand has his Ice fire gold build but he shouldnt be picked for mid anyway
Thats it the more you deviate from this rules the more trash midlaner you are ONLY A SUBHUMAN GARBAGE PLAYER WOULD BUILD ARMGUARD PERIOD, ITS A BAD BUY EVEN VS FULL AD COMPS
Mages do not spike with 1 item. The only reason THEY GET THIS FKING ITEM IS SO THAT THEY CAN FUNCTION AT ALL MAGE ITEMIZATION IS KEPT AT BEING UTTER JOKE / GARBAGE SHITFEST mainly not to increase a popularity of already most popular role (Riot ll never admit this). Riot has no idea how to decrease midlane popularity, increase support popoularity so mage itemization has to be retarded.
:/ Low elo just build hexdrinker and swallow your hardstuck pride
What elo are you even? Not challenger because I just looked through probuilds and when I could find an AP vs AD matchup(which were astonishingly rare considering how much better AD champions are apparently than AP champions [sg-lulu]) most pros built seekers first item and if they didn't, it was their second. ._. I literally just combed through probuilds and noticed that exact trend. But sure dude. Keep being a deluded "Chalenjour" player.
A trend, however, that I noticed if anyone cares is that there was an overwhelming number of AP midlaners being picked over AD ones.
Just a few matches I found with seekers rushes.
https://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/KR/3302020005/69740580 https://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/KR/3301943797/9603938 https://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2842941901/492066 https://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/EUW/3727932783/85918996
Poske1 voteshttps://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/KR/3302020005/69740580 Bad le blanc player, fuses oblivion orb ROFL. And they lsot what a shocker talon still could one shot her and was Fed
https://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/KR/3301943797/9603938 Zhonya matters slightly armguard doesnt. Stowpatch was at 8 minutes recently which pushed zhonya
https://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2842941901/492066 Why is every le blanc retarded. Hai oh that horrible le blanc XD
https://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/EUW/3727932783/85918996 Veigar literaly had nothing with that win
Veigar is also fantastic champion which tells you how bad AP itemization is.
Ideal veigar build is tanky with voidstaff.. (of course mana item so he can farm) To bad every TANK AP ITEM IS TRASH just like veigar or whoever picks veigar over syndra in compettetive
And I was challenger few months back OP.GG can show it
Summonah123691 votesPlayed Nidalee support yesterday went 2/2/2.
Firebeard1 votesUnlike a mage or a bruiser marksmen can't typically play in any role other than ADC. Yes twitch jungle can work, and ap Ezreal mid may still be a viable thing, I don't know, and if you ask Huni Lucian top, but marksmen can't really thrive outside of the bottom lane. Adding more classes of champions completely pushes out an entire class of champion, the only of which that I enjoy playing (with the exception of some supports but I don't want to be a support main). I would be perfectly happy if bottom lane became 95% Marksman priority again.
Poske1 votesUnlike a mage or a bruiser marksmen can't typically play in any role other than ADC. Yes twitch jungle can work, and ap Ezreal mid may still be a viable thing, I don't know, and if you ask Huni Lucian top, but marksmen can't really thrive outside of the bottom lane. Adding more classes of champions completely pushes out an entire class of champion, the only of which that I enjoy playing (with the exception of some supports but I don't want to be a support main). I would be perfectly happy if bottom lane became 95% Marksman priority again.
THERE ARE 15 MARKSMAN IN A GAME THERE ARE 60 BRUISERS IN A GAME There are 40 mages in a game
I dont have to say anything else
Firebeard2 votesTHERE ARE 15 MARKSMAN IN A GAME THERE ARE 60 BRUISERS IN A GAME There are 40 mages in a game
I dont have to say anything else
Thank you for contributing to my point. They aren't a large class of champion, but that doesn't devalue their existence.
Poske1 votesThank you for contributing to my point. They aren't a large class of champion, but that doesn't devalue their existence.
UNLESS EVERY ADC HAS 10% PLAYRATE THEY ARE TRASH
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS
You are sharing a botlane with 5 non ADC champions, and besides Vayne which ADC is actually unplayable atm? Trist perhaps=?
Yasuo - tier 1 (this shit has been tier 1 since his release, kinda sad I only found out 2.3 years ago) Swain - tier 1 Irelia - tier 2 Vladimir - tier 2 (since last nerfs) Ziggs tier - 19 but gets played anyways
Fiddle and brand are supports and therefore arent taking your role Donger is counter to bruisers which showed up, RANGED RANGED RANGED carries should not struggle vs donger
Reggardless its healthier for donger to be played in botlane then in toplane as anti Melee champion who cant ever be allowed to be slightly viable
If anything botlane still LACKS DIVERSITY COMPARED TO ANYTHING ELSE
Firebeard1 votesUNLESS EVERY ADC HAS 10% PLAYRATE THEY ARE TRASH
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS
You are sharing a botlane with 5 non ADC champions, and besides Vayne which ADC is actually unplayable atm? Trist perhaps=?
Yasuo - tier 1 (this shit has been tier 1 since his release, kinda sad I only found out 2.3 years ago) Swain - tier 1 Irelia - tier 2 Vladimir - tier 2 (since last nerfs) Ziggs tier - 19 but gets played anyways
Fiddle and brand are supports and therefore arent taking your role Donger is counter to bruisers which showed up, RANGED RANGED RANGED carries should not struggle vs donger
Reggardless its healthier for donger to be played in botlane then in toplane as anti Melee champion who cant ever be allowed to be slightly viable
If anything botlane still LACKS DIVERSITY COMPARED TO ANYTHING ELSE
Because the Bot lane carry position doesn't need that kind of diversity. Different marksmen provide different things to their teams, weather you play ashe for the engage/pick potential, Varus for the AOE root and longer range poke, Kog'maw, twitch, or vayne for the late game insurance, Sivir to synergize with your hecarim or give your team incredible chase down potential, or other marksmen for other reasons, diversity has always existed in the ADC position. We don't need a diversity of champions so long as we have a diversity of playstyles.
