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I foresee Camille being the same problem as tankko and tank Yasuo and tank Fiora... Rito why?

Weasel Kensei··4 votes·1,555 views

After reviewing some footage of the upcoming champ Camille, I will say she looks really fun.

The problem is were getting the inbreed baby of Vi Yasuo XinZhao . She will be a highly mobile champ that can build tanky except for 2 offense items, which will be easily blurred because one of those will probably be item 3156 oritem 3053 both hybrid offense/defense items and probably item 3078 as a core offense item, all while having high base damage + true damage so they can kill enemies still. All with a strong AoE slow.

So were getting another tank assassin designed from the ground up with shields on auto attacks based on maximum HP, begging to be built tanky, that you cant get away from due to their mobility, that still has strong bases and true damage with built in sustain/life steal. Just, I mean she does everything. She even has a crippling slow thrown in.

"But Weasel, she hasnt even come out yet."

Yes, shes not released yet, but here is whats going to happen. Shes going to come out like rework Fiora, be stupid, get her overloaded kit dumpstered to just below viability because like release Ekko, a kit this overloaded cant be balanced and will see constant beat around the bush nerfs because they refuse to address the fact that the kits just plain got too much in it. Eventually we will see some kind of shadow of the released champ. More than likely she will need a few minor reworks on abilities to put her in line.

Rito even admitted that tank Yasuo and Tank Ekko were contrary to the champ design and that they covered too many weaknesses while allowing them to still kill opponents. So was Camille DESIGNED to be what they were built as, but not supposed to be? A mobile tanky assassin, with sustain, and execution tools?

I want someone to tell me that this champ isnt a slap in the face.

Mobility creep? Check. Damage creep? Check. Overloaded? Check. Limmited weaknesses? Check.

Maybe Im underestimating Riot... I dont think so. This just smacks of the typical shoehorning in too much power, and mobility into a champ. In past champ balance patch notes/discussions Iv seen the term "Power budget" used to describe how much power a champ should have at their disposal. That they have to lose something if they gain something else so they arnt too strong. How was this calculated for Camille?

16 Comments

Astôlfo4 votes

I think you're overreacting. The only thing even potentially possibly broken about her would be her numbers, which can be adjusted freely. Her kit itself is perfectly balanced out by different measures that can be used to avoid/counterplay her easily.

Weasel Kensei1 votes

Such as? The only counter play to gap closers and mobility is having them yourself.

As for "The only thing even potentially possibly broken about her would be her numbers, which can be adjusted freely." Thats what I said, shes going to come out busted, get her numbers dumpstered, and be another Kled. A new release champ we dont see anymore. Or Ekko, a champ they couldnt balance because they were trying to keep him viable while not trimming his kit.

Astôlfo3 votes

Or you know, learning to sidestep and sticking with your team.

Weasel Kensei1 votes

That "stick with your team" statement stuck out and I checked your post history.

Sidestep... if all there was to beating an enemy champion was saying what needed to be done we would be pokemon trainers shouting out commands. Its harder than just saying it. With your vast and inarguable advice, no chapion has ever been overpowered, or ever will be again... sidestep and stick with your team, words of golden wisdom. Thank you... now please honk your big red nose.

You are infact the clown that post ignorant "just do this" statements to back up your points. Shit like "just dodge" or "dont let them get close" and other really stupid no-duh statements. Save stuff like "sidestep" and especially "stick with team."

Stick with team was what got you downvoted to oblivion in a Lee Sin thread. You correctly avoided posting after people asked you how youre supposed to stick with team when hes jg ganking you durring laning phase.... oh yeah... how the fuck am I supposed to stick with team if Camille is ganking me as a jungler when Im top/mid?

You cant answer that because all you can do is "just do this" with the "this" part being something pointlessly obvious, except when its "stick with team" when YOU CANT DO THAT IN A SOLO LANE. Spare us your trite nonsense substancless shit post please.

Astôlfo3 votes

sigh...

All that text and not a single relevant point. If you'd actually bother reading and tried using whatever dregs of common sense you probably have somewhere, you'd realize you can ward. She doesn't magically teleport all the way across the map behind you and force you down to enemy tower.

Her E1 requires a wall to hook to for her to be able to even use E2. And if you are not within said E2's range, she cannot go that extra distance. AKA, E2's distance is effectively halved. Therefore, for her to be able to maximize said E2 distance to catch you at the farthest distance away she can possibly be, she will have to get fairly close.

AKA, ward within the river itself and/or the nearby jungle brushes. This means if she goes to said places to do her E1-E2, you'll clearly see her well before she can do that. E1's animation is absurdly long, and E2 isn't lightning fast either. The stun is also extremely small radius. AKA, sidestepping it means you can avoid the stun altogether.

If you decide to be a blithering idiot and push down far enough she can loop around behind you and pincer-gank you with the laner, that is absolutely, 100%, entirely your fault. If you decide to mess around and play like a dangerous idiot when you have absolutely no vision of your nearby surroundings and you end up dying to a gank, that is also again, absolutely, 100%, entirely your fault.

Stop crying. It might help you stop shitposting. Another word of advice. If you know nothing, listen. Don't speak. Maybe then, just maybe, something might actually get through your skull.

Weasel Kensei1 votes

You want to go!?

Ok, Im dumb and I cant get stuff through my skull?

Youre fucking Bronze 4 with a 29% win rate. If you new shit about this game, you wouldnt be Bronze 4 with a 29% win rate.

Youre match history, shows a 29% win rate, maybe you should ward.... Forget shit posting on the forums. For the love of people trying to climb stop shit playing in matches.

Warding helps thwart ganks, but wards are on a cooldown, and the control ward.... why am I explaining this. If you had the capacity to understand it you wouldnt be Bronze 4 with a 29% win rate. You would be Gold 4, and able to objectively say you have more experience at a higher skill level.

As it stands, you are literally talking out of your ass with these post... making them ACTUAL SHIT POST! AHHHAAHAHAHA!

Good trolling bro. Now stop it, no one likes trolls.

Astôlfo2 votes

And here is where I stop bothering wasting my time and intelligence on the vapid... people who resort to solely strawmen and other fallacies and nothing else to try and back up their flimsy excuse of an attempt at a thinly-veiled whining posing as discussion.

Wards have a cooldown. There's also a thing called playing smart when they are on cooldown and you have no vision. There's also a thing called using a Control Ward, which lasts permanently until destroyed. And you can stock 3 of them.

Yes, please, do continue on with the various fallacies and failures. I do so enjoy having a personal source of entertainment. After all, isn't the saying... "Laughter is the best medicine." or something of that sort?

Weasel Kensei1 votes

Again, you should try some of that smart play. If you have any intelligence to waste... maybe you should save it up so you can boost your win rate.

Another funny thing, I seem to recall this from the other threads. The consistent downvotes. By my calculations, youre logging in with 2 other accounts to down vote on them also. Thats really fucking sad.

I agree laughter can be good medicine, youre Bronze 4 with a 29% win rate play level telling others how to play is funny af, you should tour hospitals.

There is nothing better than watching an assclown like you try to enter a battle of wits, and metaphorically hit themselves in their own face with their own nunchucks. I mean a Bronze 4 giving advice on whats balanced and acceptable is like a homeless man giving financial advice. If it was good advice, why cant they use it themselves? Honk honk clown.

So let me qout you "Yes, please, do continue on with the various fallacies and failures." So you can maintain that sweet rank bro. I think it is I who should wash my hands of you, after all, Iv got your clown make up on me and its gross.

Astôlfo1 votes

??? It's still talking?

Bunnymap2 votes

She definitely seems like she has too many strengths, but but she also isn't like tank ekko or yasuo because she's actually meant to be played bruiser unlike those 2

Weasel Kensei1 votes

Yas and Ekko wernt meant to be played the way Camille will, so its bad when they do it, but shes the incarnation of what they were when the DID BUILD TANK, so its ok cause we meant it this time.

I dont understand your argument.

If it was bad when Yas and Ekko did it, why is it ok to design a champ that IS what they where when they built tank?

Astôlfo2 votes

Because she will be specifically balanced around that, genius?

Leeerzeichen2 votes

A rioter said on reddit that she should build like irelia (1-2 damage items into tank).

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

"problem"

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Camille isn't an Assassin tho. She is a fighter.

A Fighter/Assassin Aka diver like Diana, Irelia, Xin Zhao or Wukong

she is meant to build defense.

DeathBurst1 votes

She will be a highly mobile champ that can build tanky except for 2 offense items

Humm, well, that's exactly what she's supposed to be? Where's the problem?

Fiora/Yasuo/Ekko/Master Yi are a problem because they are supposed to be squishy champs and the counterplay against them is to focus and CC/burst them, which you cannot do anymore if they aren't squishy anymore. But Camille is intended to be built off-tank from the get go, she's balanced around that, not around being squishy and easy to burst.

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