Please, STOP trying to make Graves jungle work. In a competitive environment IT DOESN'T.

Trash MammaI·Jan 28, 2016·3 votes·2,055 views

You are insanely susceptible to counter jungling Your clears aren't that fast since you have to spend time reloading + Kiting Your ganks are atrociously bad because you have no cc other than the smokescreen that doesn't do much vs mobility You can't pressure things like baron/drag/rift herald because you have no sustain that people can be afraid of you soloing it (ex, xin zhao,ww,yi,shaco etc.) You have nothing at all that would make you a decent jungler in a game where people want to win

Just go top or adc hell, even go mid. Stop trying to jungle with him though. Just stop.

27 Comments

AlwaysByMySideJan 28, 201610 votes

I guess high elo in Korea isn't a competitive environment.

ModWulf HelhammerJan 28, 20161 votes

Or the LCS Or the LCK

Trash MammaIJan 28, 20161 votes

Cause this is the lcs or lck where teams who work together with communication /practice with each other etc. Yes, I knew I would be pro one day

Live2LetDieJan 28, 20167 votes

doesnt work! looks at highest win rate jungler o nvm

Mat7itanJan 28, 20163 votes

Every Graves jungle, except for my friends first time on graves, that I have played with have carried the game. It seems to work for me.

Trash MammaIJan 28, 20161 votes

Every graves jungle ragequits about 5 minnutes in after I have killed them at their blue then red then took the rest of their shit.

Why do i do it? Because I know graves can't do jack shit about it without help

JorenciceJan 28, 20163 votes

Strange I know a challenger that I play with daily and he says the exact opposite.

Says Graves is unkillable and has one of the fastest if not fastest clears in the game.

And since he's challenger and your not.

I'm listening to him.

l Helios lJan 28, 20162 votes

You aren't meant to gank. You're job is to power farm mostly and spike with items as another ADC

khorneyJan 28, 20162 votes

thank you i tried to tell thsi guy but he gave me a toxic response.

Trash MammaIJan 28, 20161 votes

You can go to literally any other lane and do that..not the one where anybody can walk into your jungle and make you their bitch

l Helios lJan 28, 20161 votes

3 junglers you never duel early: Kindred, Graves, Quinn. - Nightblue3 Why? Insane early damage. Go duel a Graves in his jg and let me know how it goes.

Trash MammaIJan 29, 20161 votes

Tried to he flashed away. So I went to his red and killed him there. That satisfy you?

l Helios lJan 29, 20161 votes

Not really. All that tells me is he messed up and you took advantage of that. That's not enough to negate a champion's strength.

Also I find it hard to believe that you genuinely think this. I mean, if like 95% of challengers and masters think he's strong, I'd almost guarantee that they are right. I mean, I don't know enough to call people like Swift and Reignover and Dandy noobs who are playing a stupid champion, so I doubt you are in the position to do such a thing as well.

Challengers > everything else. I'll put that again. Period. They've worked harder than anyone else to be where they are, and they deserve that. So I think what they think is most likely the right thing. Thinking for myself usually ends up with me building a Thornmail on my AP Gangplank or something stupid like that kappa. ^.^

BaunjoJan 28, 20162 votes

I agree with this. I think its stupid that your team has to pick different champions just because you feel you need to carry with a pick like graves... I play a whole lot of tank junglers simply because I know people refuse to do so, and often times we don't end up with a tank whatsoever unless I jungle. It is not unreasonable to say graves jungle should not be used. Every one of these points is very valid, i'm sure mostly everyone that downvoted is a graves main.

Trash MammaIJan 28, 20161 votes

Everyone who downvoted is one of those sheep that think "ohey Graves jungle was picked up by pros so it must be OP pick/ban" Then go into a game with him only to find out who shit it is vs anyone with a brain.

I'm tired of seeing them on the enemy team because then it's just a free win and that makes for a highly unenjoyable experience and i'm tired of seeing them on my team thinking i'm suppose to rush to their side at every step in the jungle until they finish their jungle item because they have someone in theirs killing them every 3 seconds

QuephaJan 28, 20161 votes

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Everyone who downvoted is one of those sheep that think "ohey Graves jungle was picked up by pros so it must be OP pick/ban" Then go into a game with him only to find out who shit it is vs anyone with a brain.

I'm tired of seeing them on the enemy team because then it's just a free win and that makes for a highly unenjoyable experience and i'm tired of seeing them on my team thinking i'm suppose to rush to their side at every step in the jungle until they finish their jungle item because they have someone in theirs killing them every 3 seconds

It's really much more about his winrate at my mmr than however well he's doing in pro games

AgentBlackJan 28, 20162 votes

The fuck?

Susceptible to who? Who can safely duel Graves with E and Q?
Maybe your first clear, quickly counteracted by your shit ton of damage and incredible free tankiness...
Yeah, except one CC from the laners and you'll blow their face off before they can even say CC.
Graves can solo dragon (and possibly Herald, idk how early). Just stack your E on the scuttler and a completed jungle item will sustain you.

You just stop...posting.

Trash MammaIJan 28, 20161 votes

I'm a shaco main so naturally that'll be my answer
I've yet to see a single graves have "shit ton of damage" early game, heck i've run 0 defense runes and masteries as shaco once and laughed as he barely tickled me
So you have to rely on your laners to land cc in order to do anything? That's a stupid gamble. Why not just play xin and actually DO something
Meanwhile you have ww,yi,xin,shaco,rek'sai etc. doing it the second they hit level 6 (or lower)

It's shit and i've yet to be proven wrong in any of my ranked/normal games so i'm sticking with it. The only time it's ever worked is when people let it work

khorneyJan 28, 20161 votes

lol ikr i mean its meant for early early ganking and thats it hell tf jungle is betetr then graves jungle

AlwaysByMySideJan 28, 20162 votes

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lol ikr i mean its meant for early early ganking and thats it hell tf jungle is betetr then graves jungle

Why do you arrogantly believe you know the game better than players considerably better than you?

khorneyJan 28, 20161 votes

because i do know the game and the concept of doing certain things.

AlwaysByMySideJan 28, 20162 votes

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because i do know the game and the concept of doing certain things.

Regardless of how complete your game knowledge is compared to people of your rank, do you believe you know the game better than challenger players in both North America and Korea?

khorneyJan 28, 20161 votes

so you dont understand the point of graves jungle ......

AlwaysByMySideJan 28, 20163 votes

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so you dont understand the point of graves jungle ......

Nice cop-out. It's all right. You said something stupid (TF jungle is better than Graves jungle I swear!) and now you're backpeddling and changing the subject to make up for it. It's cool man, I understand.

khorneyJan 28, 20161 votes

first off i was agreeign with you then you acted as if i was sayign your wrong and tf is okay if you can get the sated its gg his e will do to much but then again thats not saying much anyone with sated will rape. hell have you seen the wrath of vayne sated talk about bs

DroogzyJan 28, 20161 votes

Uhh what?

His clear times are ridiculously fast, especially when he gets warrior.

He is currently the strongest jungler right now, statistically.

Kiting is natural with the knockback he has.

His E gives him a shit load of tanky stats, making so if someone attempts to counter jungle, he's difficult to kill.

You do realize jungle items give lifesteal against neutral monsters right? All junglers have sustain, regardless of kit. not only that, Graves jungle will get a bloodthirster usually as 3rd or 4th item.

I don't play him at all in jungle, but holy shit what you said was completely devoided of any knowledge.

SachabotJan 28, 20161 votes

It works stupidly well when you comp for it, or when you're just plain better than the other jungler. It's not really worth picking over Elise in SoloQ, though.