Riot's a bunch of Riven mains

Trash MammaI··355 votes·16,518 views

Darius We removed his reset early on because it wasn't healthy for gameplay to have his ult up all the time

Riven Has her ult up 1 second after she gets back to lane

Jax We nerfed his early game since he was already had a great late game

Riven Is great at every point in the game

Talon Kassadin We removed their silence because they could jump on you any get their combo off before you could react

Riven Gets an AoE knockup and AoE stun and an AD scaling shield (for if you CAN react in time)

LeeSin We removed his ability to get a shield when ward jumping just so we can say we nerfed lee sin since everyone is crying about him. Also we took away his AS slow on his E so it'll seem like we nerfed the core problem with Lee sin.

Riven Gets to use her huge as fuck shield constantly even when running away. Nerfs her Hp per 5 and reduces the time her shield is up without caring that the fact it scales with AD is the problem so that it would seem like they actually hit the issue with her shield.

Veigar We dont like instant stuns

Riven HAH, they just don't like you, Veigar

Sejuani We like the fact you're a cc heavy tank but you're dealing a bit too much damage..nerfed

Riven CC heavy bruiser that acts like a tank with her retarded shield

Garen We gave Garen long cd's to balance out him being resourceless

Riven Katarina <- You too bitch

Akali We had to tone down Akali. Once she got a kill she snowballed way too hard

Riven Lmfao seriously?

Evelynn Olaf We just flat out don't like you guys. Too hard to balance

Riven Easy as shit to balance. Refuses to do anything

Yasuo Well, you see Yasuo..your shield is making you too tanky. We like the idea of you being a hyper carry but with that shield of yours you are just too tanky to have that type of damage and overloaded kit

Riven First was your elder. Now you.

And yes, to those of you who constantly see these threads by me. I hate Riven. I despise her with every fiber in my body. I know the Riven mains will down vote this because they can't accept the fact Riven is overloaded as shit.

"I mean you can just buy armor!" Riven I'll buy item 3035
"Well, you can always get 3 armor items" Riven Well, I can always get item 3142 "Get 6 armor items!" Riven Nigga, I already won the game. "Well, fuck, guess we have to ban you" Riven Can't, Leblanc Vi Sejuani Katarina Nasus Sion already took up the very small amount of bans we get

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Kieferr130 votes

Oh my god, I thought I was the only one who hated her that much. You completely took all of my sentiment about riven and put it into one post. Thank you sir, thank you. Let the word spread.

Lord Dusteon80 votes

I know you are being a QQing troll, but I want to point this out for the non retarded viewers of this post.

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Darius We removed his reset early on because it wasn't healthy for gameplay to have his ult up all the time

He also has the tools to reliably kill every melee while building tanky thanks to his base stats and inbuilt armor pen + mixed damage and true damage. He easily killed you in lane, and could then do the exact same thing 40 seconds later. Riven as far as I know does not have a 60 second ult at level 6, or brutally dominate most melees (assuming equal skill).

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Jax We nerfed his early game since he was already had a great late game

He was also winning early and ignoring his weak moments entirely. He was already amazing lategame, but was doing great early to and thus was nerfed. Riven by comparison is meh early and mid unless you fed her and meh late unless you either fed her a lot or don't focus her at all.

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Talon Kassadin We removed their silence because they could jump on you any get their combo off before you could react

Their silence was removed because it was a point and click long ranged CC on a champion that normally did all their damage in ~.5 of a second then ran. That meant your counterplay was limited to autoattacking, running, or hoping you survive their entire burst combo. Riven does not have point and click instant gapclosers or the burst of an assassin.

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LeeSin We removed his ability to get a shield when ward jumping just so we can say we nerfed lee sin since everyone is crying about him. Also we took away his AS slow on his E so it'll seem like we nerfed the core problem with Lee sin.

First, Lee still gets a shield when ward hopping, but the ward does not. That was because shielding a ward made it effectively invulnerable for the shield time as it still only took 1 damage from autoattacks but had a several hundred health shield. Second, (thank you people who pointed out this was wrong). Tthe AS slow nerf was rather huge, as it meant Lee had less dueling power and was thus riskier.

Second, Riven's nerfs were rather noticeable; the hp per 5 means any damage you do to her will stick, while the shield cooldown nerf means earlygame baiting the shield (or just waiting a second for it to go away) gives you free reign to punch Riven. Otherwise, AD scaling is not a bad concept or even extremely strong, as unless Riven has magic resist or armor to go with that shield is just empty, squishy health.

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Veigar We dont like instant stuns

Veigar had an instant long ranged long duration stun (2.25 seconds, which is the highest AoE hard CC I can find). As much as I love Veigar, that stun was extreme bullshit to face and had the counters of "buy merc treads and banshees veil" and "never get within 1050 range of Veigar". Riven's stun is an AoE .75 second stun in melee range, which is hardly comparable to Veigar's ultimate tier E.

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Sejuani We like the fact you're a cc heavy tank but you're dealing a bit too much damage..nerfed

Sej was nerfed because going full tank still made you do sizable damage. Riven is not because A) she isn't tanking your team for several seconds while outputting great DPS unless you really fucked up, and B) Her total CC's go to almost 1.5 seconds. CC fucking heavy? Garen's friggin silence is a longer CC than her entire kit.

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Garen We gave Garen long cd's to balance out him being resourceless

Garen's base abilities are also pretty powerful; slow cleanse + point and click silence, permanent 20% bonus resistances and active tenacity + damage reduction, AoE physical damage that can crit and an execute ultimate. Buffing his cooldowns would lead to some rather unfortunate times (lower Q? More silences and screaming demacians. lower R? You get to the Darius problem). Riven's cooldown are rather low LATER IN THE GAME, but early game her cooldowns are still rather large and give her rather open windows to be attacked.

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Akali We had to tone down Akali. Once she got a kill she snowballed way too hard

She also snowballed with a long range point and click gapcloser on a champion that survived and won mostly via outstatting you. You either died to her burst, or didn't and then killed her since she so nicely served herself to you. Riven does snowball rather easily and keep the leads well, but she also still needs to waste her damage or defence to get close to hurt you.

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Evelynn Olaf We just flat out don't like you guys. Too hard to balance

Really? How do you properly balance permanent invisibility or a true damage dealing, high damage CC immune dude with a slow? Buffing either of them creates pretty toxic environments as parts of their kit are extremely difficult to balance around. If Eve gets more damage, she's a threat due to being invisible and exerting pressure on the entire map at once. If Olaf gets more damage, he's a threat because the only peel you can provide is killing the dude or running as soon as you see him.

Riven's kit is comparatively easy to balance. Is she doing to much damage during her CC's? Lower her damage a bit or lower the duration of her CC, or even nerf her stickiness a little so she needs to be closer to go in.

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Yasuo Well, you see Yasuo..your shield is making you too tanky. We like the idea of you being a hyper carry but with that shield of yours you are just too tanky to have that type of damage and overloaded kit

Wow, it's almost like Yasuo was literally pick ban for several months after release and had literally everything about him nerfed! Shield wise, it got nerfed in duration (so autoattacking him meant his shield was down, not that he could leisurely engage on you with his shield still up) and the total amount was reduced a large amount (by 180) to allow you to break through if need be. Weirdly, it's almost like Riven's shield is ALSO really short in duration and around as strong, total strength wise, as Yasuo's passive. Only thing better is Riven's comes with a dash and has a lower cooldown.

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And yes, to those of you who constantly see these threads by me. I hate Riven. I despise her with every fiber in my body. I know the Riven mains will down vote this because they can't accept the fact Riven is overloaded as shit.

I don't really play Riven. But your entire post is mindless QQing, so I downvoted for that.

"I mean you can just buy armor!" Riven I'll buy item 3035

Because one 2300 gold item that only gives you 35% armor pen completely invalidates armor, right? Not like she needs cooldown reduction or lifesteal early, or that your armor still protects you.

"Well, you can always get 3 armor items" Riven Well, I can always get item 3142

Because adding an extra fucking 20 armor penetration gets rid off 2 entire items worth of armor, right?

"Get 6 armor items!" Riven Nigga, I already won the game.

That would be because you afk'd to QQ on the forums, or maybe because you decided to not peel for your team against the squishy melee.

"Well, fuck, guess we have to ban you" Riven Can't, Leblanc Vi Sejuani Katarina Nasus Sion already took up the very small amount of bans we get

Obviously you don't actually hate Riven that much, seeing as you won't make room for a supposed champion you "despise with every fiber in my body".

Trash MammaI15 votes

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Depóngo8 votes

And from the posts I just read, I can say that you are one of the most ignorant and arrogant assholes on the Boards. You literally just point out strengths and completely exclude weaknesses. You said you ban Riven as a first ban every single game which shows you don't even have the balls to face a champion, let alone talk about it. Riven is nowhere near a highly winning champion and maybe, just maybe, you could ask yourself why, because she is "all so easy and broken".

Commando Yi12 votes

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And from the posts I just read, I can say that you are one of the most ignorant and arrogant assholes on the Boards. You literally just point out strengths and completely exclude weaknesses. You said you ban Riven as a first ban every single game which shows you don't even have the balls to face a champion, let alone talk about it. Riven is nowhere near a highly winning champion and maybe, just maybe, you could ask yourself why, because she is "all so easy and broken".

just wanted to clarify one thing for you here http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend&roleSort=Top in plat and above she has a 54% win rate with a 15% pick rate that is pretty substantial

Zombiemaster8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHzLXAN5,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-05-14T04:33:20.026+0000) First, Lee still gets a shield when ward hopping, but the ward does not.

Actually, this is false. Lee Sin MUST dash to a CHAMPION in order to get the shield. Ward hopping no longer gives a shield to him, and hasn't done so for quite some time.

draqxqard71 votes

I'll start off with: long response doesn't mean a good argument nor truth. Just someone motivated to defend Riven which is all the reason not to believe it.

He also has the tools to reliably kill every melee while building tanky thanks to his base stats and inbuilt armor pen + mixed damage and true damage. He easily killed you in lane, and could then do the exact same thing 40 seconds later. Riven as far as I know does not have a 60 second ult at level 6, or brutally dominate most melees (assuming equal skill).

Because of his armor pen, hybrid damage output + true damage. Hp is the strongest counter to darius, literally anyone capable of stacking hp can beat Darius. You just need a brain. Rumble Chogath Singed DrMundo Volibear Renekton Olaf Shen Urgot XinZhao Just to name a few.

He was also winning early and ignoring his weak moments entirely. He was already amazing lategame, but was doing great early to and thus was nerfed. Riven by comparison is meh early and mid unless you fed her and meh late unless you either fed her a lot or don't focus her at all.

Not really, for example: Tryndamere & Irelia in the meta where Jax was dominating were at the same level of Jax in terms of power and they've been historically known to stand toe-to-toe when facing him. No one used these champions effectively to counter Jax to stop him and for good reason. LCS meta top picks at that time was Shen and ranged toplaners like Kennen & Jayce who aren't that good of duelists. You're more inclined to do things you're shown to do rather than using shaded options. I speak of others like Chogath Mordekaiser Darius Olaf Garen Malphite Malphite Malphite. You can excuse LCS players for needing a mobile toplaner and only using Renekton but other players declined to do anything on their own to counter the champion, therefore uncalled for nerfs and then he got a buff on his Q and R to compensate showing the nerf wasn't really necessary.

Their silence was removed because it was a point and click long ranged CC on a champion that normally did all their damage in ~.5 of a second then ran. That meant your counterplay was limited to autoattacking, running, or hoping you survive their entire burst combo. Riven does not have point and click instant gapclosers or the burst of an assassin.

I wouldn't say you're entirely wrong here in terms of range as Riven needs to use E to have similar reach; however Riven 's damage is definitely that of an assassin. Except she gets two hard CCs on top of the damage and unconstrained mobility and is resourceless. Riven is well known for destroying glass cannon champions such as Katarina MasterYi Tryndamere Akali because she bursts them down in a short duration where they can't output their carry-ish damage. What do you call such a champion? That's right, an assassin.

First, Lee still gets a shield when ward hopping, but the ward does not. That was because shielding a ward made it effectively invulnerable for the shield time as it still only took 1 damage from autoattacks but had a several hundred health shield. Second, the AS slow nerf was rather huge, as it meant Lee had less dueling power and was thus riskier.

Second, Riven's nerfs were rather noticeable; the hp per 5 means any damage you do to her will stick, while the shield cooldown nerf means earlygame baiting the shield (or just waiting a second for it to go away) gives you free reign to punch Riven. Otherwise, AD scaling is not a bad concept or even extremely strong, as unless Riven has magic resist or armor to go with that shield is just empty, squishy health.

Wow, you're telling me you didn't play as/against LeeSin ever since the W change? What I'm implying is, you have no idea what you're talking about. LeeSin 's W stopped giving him a shield on non-champion units a long time ago. He no longer gets a shield for ward hopping nor dashing on a minion.

Second, the nerf is somewhat meaningful early game; I'll give you that. It loses meaning once Riven backs because item 3074 is a core item on Riven. There is several things wrong with your statement about baiting the shield: 1- While it's possible, most champion abilities have obvious telegraphs that they're casting such as Shen Q cast time and flight time, Jax E detonation delay, Gangplank Q cast time and flight time Gragas barrel travel time and so forth.

2- Riven's free harass combo denies any auto attack trade attempt to get her to use the shield. Example: Trundle goes in to Q Riven as she comes to last hit a minion. Riven sees that Trundle is walking her way therefore she moves towards him and W's, killing the minion she wanted to last hit and punishing Trundle for trying to interact with her and responding with a combo.

3- You know darn well most Riven run CDR glyphs because of how strong of a stat it is on her. This does not make her vulnerable to AP, this gives her more power to use against AD champions [ more spells, more damage, more stuns and more shields; more passive procs ] while 90% of magic damage fighters are weak early therefore she shits on them with this CDR anyway.

Veigar had an instant long ranged long duration stun (2.25 seconds, which is the highest AoE hard CC I can find). As much as I love Veigar, that stun was extreme bullshit to face and had the counters of "buy merc treads and banshees veil" and "never get within 1050 range of Veigar". Riven's stun is an AoE .75 second stun in melee range, which is hardly comparable to Veigar's ultimate tier E.

As I said when it came to Kassadin & Talon silences. Riven does E Q for ~500 range knockup into stun for a decent hard CC duration, laying auto attack inbetween. When it comes to melees toplane, most champions want to farm with auto attacks. Doing that gets you in the very same Veigar situation where you either have enough armor/sustain to survive the combo or you lose lane. It works as simple as that.

Sej was nerfed because going full tank still made you do sizable damage. Riven is not because A) she isn't tanking your team for several seconds while outputting great DPS unless you really fucked up, and B) Her total CC's go to almost 1.5 seconds. CC fucking heavy? Garen's friggin silence is a longer CC than her entire kit.

Riven has a shield, shields are basically resource -> hp conversion systems that run out based on resource, in theory you can shield until your resource runs out unless the enemy pins you down and bursts you before your shield comes up. In Riven 's case: Resourceless, mobile and shield is on low CD. So if you don't hard CC AND burst Riven down, she can shield for days then lifesteal all the way back with item 3074 whether she was ahead or not. You see the problem here? With only item 3074, she has damage, sustain and beefiness. 1 item. That's..... I'm going to stop here, I believe I made this clear. Also, Garen silences one target, Riven 's CC is AoE.

Garen's base abilities are also pretty powerful; slow cleanse + point and click silence, permanent 20% bonus resistances and active tenacity + damage reduction, AoE physical damage that can crit and an execute ultimate. Buffing his cooldowns would lead to some rather unfortunate times (lower Q? More silences and screaming demacians. lower R? You get to the Darius problem). Riven's cooldown are rather low LATER IN THE GAME, but early game her cooldowns are still rather large and give her rather open windows to be attacked.

Slow cleanse on a tank? Silence the frontline? W is a great spell, I agree. Building crit on Garen is questionable aside from item 3142. His E might as well be considered a DoT spell, those are a pain to farm with and give plenty of opportunity for the opponent to react against; unlike instant spells Riven Riven Riven. And by the way, Garen can't intentionally increase his ult damage; nor can he excute multiple targets from range.

In case you weren't looking, his ultimate was finally buffed to have a decent CD. No Darius situation arised nor did Garen become meta. Riven 's CDs are all below 10 seconds from the point she enters the game due to rune and mastery setup, save for her Q since it has 3 casts and by the time you finish casting them you have less than 10s Cd on Q already. Her basic ability CDs are not high, the first level of her ultimate has a long ultimate and that's it. Lvl 2 ult is under 75s CD while it lasts 15 seconds, might as well consider it ~60s CD.

She also snowballed with a long range point and click gapcloser on a champion that survived and won mostly via outstatting you. You either died to her burst, or didn't and then killed her since she so nicely served herself to you. Riven does snowball rather easily and keep the leads well, but she also still needs to waste her damage or defence to get close to hurt you.

So Riven does not outstat you/out-kit you when she all-ins ? We're just talking about a silly Riven here, you might as well compare her with an Akali ulting minions to reach you, expecting to beat you 1v1. It applies to Shen &Renekton using E to reach you instead of damaging you with the spell, it's not something only Riven can mess up in.

draqxqard35 votes

Wow, it's almost like Yasuo was literally pick ban for several months after release and had literally everything about him nerfed! Shield wise, it got nerfed in duration (so autoattacking him meant his shield was down, not that he could leisurely engage on you with his shield still up) and the total amount was reduced a large amount (by 180) to allow you to break through if need be. Weirdly, it's almost like Riven's shield is ALSO really short in duration and around as strong, total strength wise, as Yasuo's passive. Only thing better is Riven's comes with a dash and has a lower cooldown.

Yasuo was nerfed multiple times in a row then left alone for a good while (4+ patches?) arguably, that's when he was most balanced then suddenly Riot took off a big chunk of his lvl1 HP and 10 of his MS in that patch. Only recently he was given a damage buff on his Q CD, 5 movespeed back and very recently increased his shield values. This suggests they indeed overnerfed him because players found him to be annoying to play against, meanwhile Riven doesn't seem to get damage nerfs despite the amount of frustration her playstyle brings.

I don't really play Riven. But your entire post is mindless QQing, so I downvoted for that.

Riven's infuriating presence takes it's toll at the opposing toplaner, sometimes jungler. The rest of the team tends to have the attitude of: "I have no problem with Riven, but god I hate when my team feeds her like crazy then she becomes ridiculous" You shouldn't be downvoting people because they're angry, this is feedback and it is important to determine the enjoyment of the game and health state of a champion. I personally like Katarina and have no problem with her, but people tend to have a problem with her roaming and having the game become all about her because of 1 teamfight. Respect the opinion of others, be level headed and determine where the emotions are coming from; as knee-jerk reaction from you isn't better than an OP's burst of emotion.

Because one 2300 gold item that only gives you 35% armor pen completely invalidates armor, right? Not like she needs cooldown reduction or lifesteal early, or that your armor still protects you.

Yes, it pretty much did for ADCs and showed very clearly from patch 4.10 until the appearance of cinderhulk. Tanks and fighters were dying very quickly to a item 3072 item 3035 Lucian for example, an AD caster champion. Riven is not different, in fact it can be worse because building item 3071 on Riven is more reasonable than building it on an ADC on top of the item 3035. Aside from that, armor does not push lanes nor does it destroy towers, nor does it regenerate HP like AD & lifesteal do.

Because adding an extra fucking 20 armor penetration gets rid off 2 entire items worth of armor, right?

OP might not have been clear on this point, but Riven roaming with item 3142 nets easy kills while split pushing with it is nearly immune to capture; rendering the toplaner's armor stacking strategy useless.

That would be because you afk'd to QQ on the forums, or maybe because you decided to not peel for your team against the squishy melee.

Not necessarily, Riven 's instantaneous burst of ability sequence tends to cause quick kills, which result in objectives forced therefore ending the game quicker than say, Renekton or Dariuss ability to force close games.

Obviously you don't actually hate Riven that much, seeing as you won't make room for a supposed champion you "despise with every fiber in my body".

Chill, with over 100 champions in the game you'd forget what playing against a certain champion is like. Popularity gives you hope that a different champion may be picked etc.

LittleBlast7 votes

What did you do to that riven if shes first backing and buying a full item 3074

draqxqard19 votes

I'm not saying Riven will pick up item 3074 on first back, I'm saying this item's build and the first back counters her claimed "low sustain" weakness.

item 1006 + item 2003 item 1053

Mandang06 votes

Good point. I've always hated Riot relying on base stats to nerf champs, it's so easy to get around.

sealust66 votes

hmm, well on the upside, if you kill the Riven there's at least a 50% chance of her rage quitting.

Señor Karthus32 votes

Upvoted for truth!! Riven is a fucking cancer and her mains are among the most toxic players in this community. Her Q should have its cool down doubled to start being anywhere close to fair.

BastionKross32 votes

You want to know how biased Riot is? Players wanted LeeSin MS nerfs since he shouldn't be both hyper mobile and capable of outrunning the majority of champs on foot. Riot said that wouldn't make much of a difference, since nerfing movement speed on mobile champions wouldn't meaningfully nerf them as opposed to lowering movement speed on someone like Lux or Mordekaiser.

That was a great point. So what does Riot do when it comes time to nerf the very mobile Riven?

Lower her movement speed.

JAGMAG22 votes

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AhhShucks18 votes

The thing I always find frustrating about Riven is that she pretty much can't be fought as another melee character. She has all the tools in the world to make sure you either can't interact with her if she might lose the fight, or can't avoid her if she knows she can beat you. She's much worse to play against than Darius ever was as a melee champion.

Natures Guardian6 votes

Yea that's about right... What I like the MOST about all of this is when "Riven Players" For some strange reason that ENTIRE group "Special" people BRAG so HARD when they they're either doing REALLY good or REALLY bad... Here are some examples...

Doing really good: Hahaha so easy get on my level rofl lmfao!

Doing really bad: LOL I am only doing bad because my champion requires a MASSIVE amount of skill...

The mind set is hilarious!!

kJs17 votes

All these Riven mains deleting their comments...

v0nseur15 votes

I don't entirely agree with your katarina/sion/nasus hate, but I approve of your logic. Also, when you stack armor vs Riven the APC destroys you. If that doesn't happen, Riven will go wherever you're not. ( split push, or teamfight because you lowered your waveclear ability by stacking armor )

sp44114 votes

Yes, so much bias for Riven, so much so that she had her movement speed reduced and her ult's projectile speed is painfully slow now.

64931067_DEL33 votes

340 MS is not quite low compare to most of others.

Trash MammaI30 votes

Especially when you have 4 dashes..

Juggernaut62814 votes

For all people complain about Riven's shield, that is the only thing keeping her viable. If she didn't have it, the second you got out of her stun you would burst her instantly. It's like Fizz; they need something in their kit to keep them with everyone else.

platformer neoX33 votes

Fizz's passive doesn't scale with AP as far as I'm concerned.

Juggernaut6286 votes

[{quoted}](name=platformer neoX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHzLXAN5,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-05-14T04:25:05.131+0000)

Fizz's passive doesn't scale with AP as far as I'm concerned.

Fizz's passive makes him take reduced damage from autos to fit his melee play style in lane. Wtf does that have to do with scaling? If you meant his E, that has a 70% ratio and is like Riven's E in usage.

platformer neoX11 votes

Not really, Fizz's harass combo is WQ and E out.

Riven's 3rd Q and W does the damage without allowing the enemy to attack similar to Fizz 's kit, the E dash portion is used for disengage. The shield is just a bonus like Fizz passive.

The shield value should not be big since she has access to lifesteal and so much AoE.

Kapppaccino1 votes

[{quoted}](name=platformer neoX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MHzLXAN5,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-14T08:45:04.995+0000)

Not really, Fizz's harass combo is WQ and E out.

Riven's 3rd Q and W does the damage without allowing the enemy to attack similar to Fizz 's kit, the E dash portion is used for disengage. The shield is just a bonus like Fizz passive.

The shield value should not be big since she has access to lifesteal and so much AoE.

Rivens damage comes from auto attacks not spells ......

ImFlutterShy6 votes

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Rivens damage comes from auto attacks not spells ......

Dont reply to them, its pointless. They just can't play against riven and refuse to improve. Riven will never be viable in competitive after these nerfs. I was waiting for WE Spirit to play Riven jungle again but now after these nerfs it wont happen...

kJs8 votes

Half of Riven's damage comes from auto attacks.

Fixed.

Trash MammaI29 votes

I don't give a crap if she keeps the shield. I give a crap about her having it scale off AD and getting the shield when dashing away. It should only give her a shield when dashing toward an enemy champ not away..it's called Valor. Not Coward.

Juggernaut6287 votes

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I don't give a crap if she keeps the shield. I give a crap about her having it scale off AD and getting the shield when dashing away. It should only give her a shield when dashing toward an enemy champ not away..it's called Valor. Not Coward.

Well tell me when you can chase and Udyr. His is on a shorter cooldown, but gives him movement speed and lifesteal on an champion that was identical to AD Fizz; 1 item and they are tanky as hell, but you cant kill them.

64931067_DEL21 votes

Again... Udyr dont have any dash and can be kited. You want to kite a Riven? Lol.

ScreamPaste5 votes

Kiting Riven is easier because her dashes are limited, small, and slower than Udyr. (they're locked at 450)

64931067_DEL17 votes

Talking is easier than doing, and Udyr can be slow while Riven IMMUNE to slow.

ScreamPaste4 votes

I'm sorry, but once she blows her 600 range of dashes, she's very easy to slow. She also doesn't build a bork or triforce, unlike everyone's favourite tanky bear man.

She gets to move at 450 MS for 600 range, that is the limit of her mobility. Udyr is above that near constantly.

Crushed lil kid17 votes

With full cdr Riven makes LeeSin look stationary not to mention she can just spam whatever comes off cool down because she has no resource to manage

TheUnseenRat14 votes

Dont forget the fact that Riven has the broken combination of high sustain damage/high burst damage/and survivability(mobility,lifesteal ,shield)

Any champion that has those 3 qualities has very little to no counter play/pick/strategy.

ScreamPaste13 votes

They just made her ult garbage despite her being considered weak on the competitive circuit, and they did this to appease cry babies like you.

Not only will I continue to play Riven, I will do so with a glass of your tears in hand.

Trash MammaI38 votes

They haven't touched a single thing that's been an issue to Riven.

Projectile speed wasn't even an issue. All they did was make it so you can blink/dash right before it hits you. That's stupidly clutch. Lowering her MS by 5 when she has 4 dashes isn't going to do shit.

Not only will I continue to hate Riven, I will do so knowing her playerbase is almost as bad as Ezreals.

ImFlutterShy5 votes

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They haven't touched a single thing that's been an issue to Riven.

Projectile speed wasn't even an issue. All they did was make it so you can blink/dash right before it hits you. That's stupidly clutch. Lowering her MS by 5 when she has 4 dashes isn't going to do shit.

Not only will I continue to hate Riven, I will do so knowing her playerbase is almost as bad as Ezreals.

Because Riven is a bad champion already and nerfing her strenghts would make her even more useless than she already is.

  • Her ult is on a 110 sec cooldown at rank 1, how is it up every time she comes back to lane ?

  • Riven's early game isn't even good unless you let her get off her full combo on you without trying to trade back

  • Talon+Kassadin had blinks+point and click silences, Riven has 4 delayed dashes and you can flash her 3rd Q+W

  • Karma gets a better shield on the same CD, 5 sec duration (compared to Rivens 1.5sec) and she can use it on allies+minions but no one complains.

  • Riven's stun has a cast time and lasts for 0.75 seconds and you can flash it+she is melee. (unlike annie's instant AoE nuke that still damages+stuns you even if you flash it)

  • Yeah Riven is so tanky with 80 Armor+50 MR and a really short duration shield.

  • Riven doesnt have resets+invisibility and can't build zhonyas, unlike akali.

  • Riven doesnt have an ability which blocks all projectiles and free 100% crit chance passive and her dashes actually have a cooldown.

Mao Ryu24 votes
  • Riven fights when she wants, because mobility and hard CC. Not when you want, therefore her ult will always be up in a committed fight.

  • Her early game is super good, I don't know what you're smoking. Everything on her kit is extremely strong early on from passive to shield especially considering that she stuns the minion wave therefore trades whenever and however she wants with very small amount of counter attack allowed. in the split second you're not stunned.

  • That's not delayed, Sion 's E shoots really fast and it has more delay than Riven 's dashes.

  • Except Karma's shield is flat 10 sec CD, Riven is 10/9/8/7/6. On top of that, Karma 's shield has a shit 50% AP ratio while Riven 's 100% bonus AD.

  • summoner 4 has a very long 300s cooldown while her W's CD is 11/10/9/8/7. Riven gets 4 gapclosers to apply her AoE stuns while Annie has to summoner 4 every time she wants an AoE stun, she can stun you at any point in the game while Annie has 300s CD which is easily blown by ganking her or whatever, ganking Riven won't do a thing because of the short CD and "lol my mobility"

  • Riven builds defensive items late game and always has more than 10% CDR so that the shield CD would be less than 6 sec therefore it's downtime is about 4 seconds only.

  • Riven doesn't need resets because her cooldowns are already short, invisibility is countered by true vision while you can't counter 2 stuns. Riven gets AoE lifesteal item 3074 and more mobility thanks to item 3071 passive and item 3142.

  • What riven doesn't have in melee carries like Yasuo Tryndamere Fiora MasterYi she has in burst damage, AD scalings most of them are above 100%, and reliable hard CC. Not even Tryndamere has a reliable slow. What Riven doesn't have in terms of infinite mobility given infinite targets like Yasuo is compensated with resourcelessness, short CDs and the fact her mobility is completely unrestrained.

Riven 's kit is the most overloaded fighter kit in League of Legends.

Facy15 votes

So true. Riot has to rework aspects of her kit and actually give her real weaknesses.

MLDzXnRRR10 votes

Noone likes Riven. She is the only aoe assasin with spammable cc.

iainB857 votes

They need to make her shield scale off of something else, or drastically lower it's AD ratio. It's the epitome of "LOL I built all damage items but am still wicked hard to kill".

Riot still hasn't learned the lesson that champions who get free damage for building tanky, or free tankiness for building damage are never balanced. They are always OP as f until Riot finally guts their stats/ratios so hard they become unplayable.

There should ALWAYS be a decision process whether to go for a tank item or a damage item at any point in the game. These champions who benefit from all worlds just using one build path are always the balance trouble makers.

O Fallen Scholar5 votes

OP clearly makes up the fact that he can't lane against Riven. Maybe read guides? Ask one of your friends to play Riven, start practicing etc. Why do I have to give you tips? You're grown up I hope.

I agree with most people that Riven's shield is the only thing what keeps her alive. Remove it or scale it even down, Riven is in pretty bad spot.

Kieferr13 votes

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OP clearly makes up the fact that he can't lane against Riven. Maybe read guides? Ask one of your friends to play Riven, start practicing etc. Why do I have to give you tips? You're grown up I hope.

I agree with most people that Riven's shield is the only thing what keeps her alive. Remove it or scale it even down, Riven is in pretty bad spot.

Its not that he can't lane against her, but... Being aoe'd every f*cking time you go in for a cs is incredibly frustrating and annoying.

O Fallen Scholar2 votes

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Its not that he can't lane against her, but... Being aoe'd every f*cking time you go in for a cs is incredibly frustrating and annoying.

Riven pushes the lane if he goes for the trade inside the minion wave. You can abuse it by freezing your lane near your turret and ask for ganks. That's risky for Riven though because minion damage is higher early on.

Smart Riven players deny your CS by zoning you away from minion wave, or hop in with Q + auto and back off with E to trade. That's what I like to do.

And if Riven player uses that above method, you can trade with her freely after or zone a bit. Because cooldowns are down. And early on Riven has long cooldowns. Depends what champion are you playing though.

All Riven abilities deal mostly AoE damage.

ZPIN2WIN17 votes

Freeze lane to gank Riven.

LOL

10/10

Best joke I've seen all day.

Good thing she has Both the Waveclear And the Mobility to deal with freezing And ganks.

As icing on the cake, this costs her nothing as she's resourceless and her CC is AoE so she gives no fks about skirmishes.

Wuju Lord5 votes

Logged in just to upvote the thread and also let you know that I too loathe riven with every fiber of my being. You just cant fucking beat a smart riven. ever. End of story.

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