What's everyone's stances on Assassins right now?

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The boards and reddit have always only been a minority of the community as a whole as they are the only players who are vocal about what they think. Just because the boards aren't lit up with complaint threads doesn't mean that the majority of the community doesn't think that assassins are still bad.

AD assassins have sat on the top of the assassin tiers ever since Riot did hardcore tinkering with lethality and squeezed out the current iteration of Dusk Blade. They build their Duskblade, choose between BC and Ghost blade or Ghost blade and BC, then just do their thing. They aren't really broken but they're definitely stronger than their AP counterparts.

AP assassins have been in the dumpster for awhile because when it came to the update they're the ones who got the short end of the stick and had their kits hit with "counterplay". "Counterplay" Which funnily enough doesn't have to apply to champions who are currently doing an assassins job better than assassins but being ignored because they're classified differently.

Oh god Riot chooses to ignore the subreddits and boards.

AD assassins are indeed overloaded since lethality as a whole failed as a concept. Plus, ADCs use it more than actual assassins do a lot of the time. However, AD assassins are a nightmare to deal with when ahead since lethality is just so good (besides Rengar, poor kitty).

AP assassins are just ignored and I think the primary issue AP assassins have is their massive delays in damage and lack of a magic pen. item outside of Void Staff. Liandrys isn't very good and Sorc. boots don't provide much at all. This makes tanks incredibly difficult to deal with for AP assassins as it's a chore to even do your primary job which is to get to the squishies, which is hard when you have a 10 foot tall Cho/Mao with 200 of each resist and 5.4k HP right in front of them.

The current situation of AP assassins is hilarious since AP mages outperform AP assassins in every single way besides mobility. Veigar can one shot pretty much everyone post 6, so can Annie, and Syndra, and Orianna, and Cassiopeia and Azir (sort of), and Malz and Lux, and all of them provide more waveclear and CC than assassins, as well as more zone control. AP assassins lack that oomph of damage that mages possess, which is ironic since AP assassins are supposed to be the main bursters in LoL. AP assassins also need to get up close and personal, and because of the changes to their damage in terms of delay it's pretty difficult to remain relevant out of laning phase. I don't understand why a Syndra ult can be considered ok and yet a Katarina full combo is considered unfair.

AP assassins need more counterplay ;[

They aren't really broken but they're definitely stronger than their AP counterparts.

not strong enough to be choose during Worlds (unless kha)... contrary too their ap counter parts

Out of curiosity which ap assassins do you think are weak currently? Because Ekko, Katatina, Kassadin, Fizz and Diana arent even bad, I'd go as far to say Katarina is too strong. Leblanc isnt bad either, but leblanc isnt an assassin.

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shud be reverted :]

Agreed. Although I think they should still look some number changes regarding his E's cooldown.

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lethality seems a bit to strong, as it turns non-assassins into assassins without a problem. A J4 or Graves can just kill you with 1 combo without a problem at all. This makes AD assassins just a bit broken; Most of them got no problem killing your ass in 2/3 seconds tops at level 6 with just a Dirk.

AP assassins are in a good spot I think.

Ehhh, the only good AP assassins right now are Kat and Fizz, but they won't last long since they rely on Electrocute (Aery's for Fizz?) which will get nerfed.

It would be nice if AP assassins and AP champs in general could get another Magic pen. item though.

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All of them seem pretty meh. Kat is out of line, clearly. They're still annoying as all hell to lane against, but if you can get past that phase of that game they seem okay

Kat will only be good while Electrocute remains good, and while people play squishier champs in the preseason. The moment people play tankier, more meta champs this whole Kat fad will die out. Also Electrocute is likely to be nerfed, so there's that.

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Overpowered as f** with lethality and mpen buffs, but yet I'd rather have that a million times over a botlane meta

Agreed. Lethality is overperforming. Ironically enough M.pen. is underperforming due to the removal of flat m.pen. runes and the lack of representation for the stat. itemisation wise, with the only relevant m.pen. item being Void Staff (Sorc. boots hardly count). Sudden Impact is nice, but it can't replace m.pen. runes.

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Well, assassins now have compelled me to take Leo and Taric support more often than Soraka, so that's a thing.

Have yet to play Talon under the new runes. But seen him in action.

Talon with the new runes is exactly as you would think, really good. Duskblade is still obnoxious and overbearing to face and Electrocute gives him far too much burst combined with Sudden Impact.

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We haven't hear any whining on how assassins are utterly crap for a few days now, which usually is a pretty reliable indicator that they are bullshit broken.

Debatable. Even if some are there are usually others are useless (hello Leblanc) and it won't last long since the meta will revert back to revolving around slow play.

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Assassins are still just as toxic and anti-fun as ever, if not more so. Rito's idea of an "assassin" is being able to instantly 100-0 anybody, in a way that has the least possibility for reaction or counterplay. Just 1 example: Rengar can 1-shot an ADC at level 6 with zero items. A fed Rengar can 1-shot a 4 armor-item Malphite.

Assassins as they currently stand, are disgusting and uninteractive. Rito needs to reanalyze what an assassin should look like. Probably steal some ideas from Blizzard, cause Rito sure as hell doesn't understand what the words "game balance" mean.

You do know that "assassin" for Blizzard means 100-0 from invis., right? That's not an unhealthy concept either since ADCs can do it with 1-3 autos, so can mages, so can bruisers/juggernauts. It's not a unique thing to assassins at all (hello ).

That's not true about Rengar at all since all of his level 6 burst apart from his initial crit. is avoidable AND you get a huge indicator telling you that he's in the area. Also you can bodyblock the mark so he can't crit. the target, so there's that.