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To everyone who says there's no elo hell and matchmaking is fine:

BigFBear·4/25/2019, 4:46:29 PM·157 votes·25,375 views

My Smurf just got demoted to Gold 2 and dropped to 46% winrate in my last 30+ games with Voli Jungle,

while my Main is constantly climbing in Dia 3 with a 80%+ winrate in the last 30+ games.

I made a similar thread a while ago but it has become even more ridiculous since then. There is just 1 or 2 hardcore feeder in almost every game in lower elo (mostly because of bad matchmaking) and you cant do shit about it with a non hyper carry. They decide the outcome of the game.

This is not a cry-thread or something. I am ok as long as i can carry on my Main, but i find this interesting since it showed me again how bad climbing in lower elo is and how little it has to do with skill. When i climbed through Gold/Plat with my main i had the same problems but back then i thought i just suck. Now I have the direct comparison. Yes, maybe you play different on a smurf than on your main.... but not 46% to 80% different!

https://abload.de/img/diavsgoldsvjl8.jpg https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/volibear/euw/BigFBear https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/volibear/euw/Truss

EDIT:

I dont blame matchmaking alone for my problems in my current gold games. I know that i am not perfect (not even close) and that i have plenty of room to improve and that a better player could climb through Gold/Plat with a high winrate, even with Voli. But whats true in my opinion is, that its way harder to carry a game in Gold as a non hyper carry than a game in Dia. And that has also (not ONLY but ALSO) to do with the big gaps between skill in lower Elo caused by bad matchmaking. In lower elo you have many games where - lets say - a Gold 2 with 90% winrate in 35 games plays vs a Plat 2 with 50% winrate in 250 games. Ofc the Gold is a Smurf from whatever elo and deletes the Plat 2 almost every time. The algorithm just cant detect if a Gold 2 player with 90% winrate in 35 games is a Dia 3 Smurf or a Grandmaster Smurf. I play LoL since S3 (often around high Plat in the last years) and i cant remember that games were such "diversified" in terms of rank, skill and winrate. Even in the last season the gaps between ranks and winrates between the individual players werent that high. It's gotten a lot worse since S9.

Just 2 Example from my games in Plat this Season. And believe me: Almost every game was like this. I have more screenshots.

https://abload.de/img/lolp9kbz.png elo difference: gold 2 to Plat 1 winrate difference: 38% to 84%

https://abload.de/img/lollose104kdy.jpg elo difference: gold 1 to Plat 1 winrate difference: 49% to 90%

Like i said: in Dia i dont have a lot of those games and it makes the games way more predictable. I can work with that and i can carry that. But i cant carry a 50% wr toplaner who get crushed by a 90% wr Smurf. (P.S. i am aware that i am a smurf by myself).

230 Comments

Hammermancer4/25/2019, 5:35:28 PM61 votes

Zilean

no armored bears belong in the league of legends

AstroFerrari 4/25/2019, 7:30:07 PM59 votes

I just love the mental gymnastics people go through to justify this bullshit. The matchmaking is a joke and the Riot stans just can't get that through their heads.

z63XnLCMwX4/25/2019, 6:31:45 PM25 votes

The problem in low elo match isn't the skill or game knowledge. It's the shitty attitude. Most games in low elo are winnable but they become unwinnable when the players decides to afk, int, troll over something as minor as taking the wrong secondary runes.

Mulonda4/25/2019, 7:02:53 PM22 votes

No matter what people think, this is a team game, there is a way higher chance of there being 1 player that can lose you the game than win you the game.

mack91124/26/2019, 1:31:27 AM13 votes

From my experience of playing through the different ranks ( bronze to plat at least ) every rank has its own meta where particular champions and stradegies excel while others do not. You play well in a diamond game meta but struggle in a gold game meta.

That is the true way to climb in league is to do your research and understand how each divisions meta works and play through it. When you reach the next tier you learn that one and move on. There is no rigging of the game and if anybody truly believes that they are not playing the game correctly.

DarkmoonDiana4/25/2019, 6:50:03 PM12 votes

Yeah ive had the same experience, my main is also d3 but my smurf was hardstuck s1 for a while. Ranked is a joke

CenturKYN4/25/2019, 8:16:57 PM8 votes

Exactly same issue. Had 4 afks in my last 7 games, won 1. Also smurfing from low dia.

Düff McWhalen4/25/2019, 6:22:52 PM8 votes

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My Smurf just got demoted to Gold 2 and dropped to 46% winrate in my last 30+ games with Voli Jungle,

while my Main is constantly climbing in Dia 3 with a 80%+ winrate in the last 30+ games.

I made a similar thread a while ago but it has become even more ridiculous since then. There is just 1 or 2 hardcore feeder in almost every game in lower elo (mostly because of bad matchmaking) and you cant do shit about it with a non hyper carry. They decide the outcome of the game.

This is not a cry-thread or something. I am ok as long as i can carry on my Main, but i find this interesting since it showed me again how bad climbing in lower elo is and how little it has to do with skill. When i climbed through Gold/Plat with my main i had the same problems but back then i thought i just suck. Now I have the direct comparison. Yes, maybe you play different on a smurf than on your main.... but not 46% to 80% different!

https://abload.de/img/diavsgoldsvjl8.jpg https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/volibear/euw/BigFBear https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/volibear/euw/Truss

It's even worse in Silver...

Fraggleroc4/25/2019, 7:39:47 PM7 votes

Bumping this.

Mannny4/25/2019, 7:05:43 PM7 votes

You should consider taking a lot of resources for urself and being the overall carry for the entire game. I'm not discrediting the fact that matchmaking is faulty right now and needs work, but often times slowly grinding to high elo and smurfing to high elo are two different things, and smurfing is a skill you have to learn in its own right. Also you don't have as many games played, you should play a lot more and test out strategies and builds that put you as the primary carry.

CNV Nightstar4/25/2019, 9:11:47 PM6 votes

Ima just be blatantly honest and say that you suck. Lower elo requires a different playstyle and unless youre a booster or frequently smurf you wont do good. I can say this from experience of leveling up 5 accounts to diamond. It was hard the first 2 but then after i got used to adjusting I was fine. In all honesty, volibear can carry just fine except youre not that good and dont know how to properly play in lower elos. But thats just my 2 cents.

General Matty4/26/2019, 3:57:17 PM5 votes

This had 99 upvotes so i had to make it 100.

5050BS4/25/2019, 8:27:45 PM4 votes

100% I do well in my lane and add pressure to other lanes and help the jungler out but far too often 1-3 players SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING RANKED AT ALL and make the match Unwinnable.

Need Gold 4 Tent4/26/2019, 9:22:28 AM4 votes

Even Yassuo said the same thing, he said he found low elo very hard but once he passed that stage of the climb it wasn't that bad anymore. This coming from a challenger player, and people think "just solo carry lul". There's probably something wrong with that elo bracket.

Literal IRL Tree4/25/2019, 5:35:48 PM4 votes

Damn i thought i found another Voli top player in my elo but just another jgler :/

ÈvilMorty4/25/2019, 9:27:10 PM2 votes

my 1-10 adc last game i played flamed me for having a 46% win rate Its because i constantly get people like them on my team

Deliberate Inter4/25/2019, 7:42:35 PM2 votes

No, matchmaking is fine and you are a volatile cheese player who will struggle to climb before being hardstuck in the diamond mines of moria. I spectated one of your games and you have bigger problems than anything having to do with matchmaking, address those before you grasp at straws...

ModAcademy Kayn4/26/2019, 3:27:41 PM2 votes

There is just 1 or 2 hardcore feeder in almost every game in lower elo (mostly because of bad matchmaking)

Why is the natural response to getting a feeder, is that it's because of bad matchmaking? Even people on your level of skill, or below for you since it's a smurf, can have a bad game, or sometimes their opponent is just better. If we had "Good" matchmaking, would feeders cease to be a thing? I don't understand this logic.