WTF is this? League of Drakes or what?
As Jungler the whole game is about the Drakes!! Why are they so HARDCORE weak and easy to kill if they are so important? You can solo them from start on! Some Junglers even need just 10 seconds to kill them solo! This leads in a CONSTANT guarding and focussing on drakes making bot presence more important than EVER! Didnt you say you wanted to shift more focus on toplane??
This preseason is complete garbage. The changes looked good on paper, but the more you play the more you realize how trash this game is becoming. It's beyond depressing to see drakes be killed in 3 seconds.
I have to agree with this.
I kind of miss super old drag where it would give the whole team 300g but that's my personal opinion. As for this post particular, I agree that drag dies way too fast now. It doesn't feel like an important objective but more of like "Oh... it's minion 2.0 for buffs, 3 hits basically and its dead woo"
My friends were fucking around in a custom game testing some stuff, and I watched a 1 item level 7 or 8 Brand do almost half of Drakes HP in a single QEW combo.
Drakes are an absolute joke in terms of power for how important they are now.
WTF is this? League of Drakes or what?
As Jungler the whole game is about the Drakes!! Why are they so HARDCORE weak and easy to kill if they are so important? You can solo them from start on! Some Junglers even need just 10 seconds to kill them solo! This leads in a CONSTANT guarding and focussing on drakes making bot presence more important than EVER! Didnt you say you wanted to shift more focus on toplane??
More a case of people tunnel visioning on dragon. The advantage gained from taking them is lower than last season, thus getting advantages elsewhere so that the later dragons can be contested is more realistic than last season. Getting top lane 5 plates + first turret + dropping a herald mid for a couple of plates there is a fine trade for first two dragons. At least it would be as long as other people on your team do not INT because they feel the need to play hero by trying stop the other team from getting those dragons, and then giving over kills + drags + plates in mid / bot. It would also require being sure that everything is ready to make the cross map plays when the other team is getting the dragons.
Lets say top turret is traded for the first two dragons while turret plates are around at it is the first turret kill. That is 50 global gold to team, 250 local gold from turret kill, 150 local gold from first turret, 5 time 120 = 600 local gold from plates. So if all local gold goes on one champion they get 1050 gold and their team mates get 50 each (1250 gold total). Or if all local gold is split between top and jungle they each get 550 gold and 50 gold for their 3 other team members (still 1250 gold total). And that is not counting any kill / assist gold and farm differential created. Not to mention any XP denied. And the leads gained can snowball bigger over time.
To compare, Infernal Drake (as it is an easy one to talk about in terms of gold value) buff of 5% AP/AD does not give 1250 gold value distributed across the team until they average a mix of AP / AD of 230 AP and 143 AD (these values are after rounding to nearest whole number of AP/AD, using 
and 
as a basis for the value of AP / AD). That would make it line up with somewhere around the time people start finishing second item, especially if we are talking about AP/AD on champions it matters for. While it will be worth more as more AP/AD is acquired, the value that matters is the value by the time you are contesting the later drakes to push back the threat of dragon soul... or you know, fighting for Baron in the 20-25 minute range. And if the gold from playing around top were to to allow for a completed item as opposed to sitting on parts for the fight, then that gold is worth more than the normal stat value.
The other team getting early dragons is not an issue by itself. The reason they got those early dragons, and a lack of appropriate response to their efforts to get them, is an issue. Before crying about how out of line dragons are people should really look at the gold graphs from their games to see what is happening with that. In the games where the dragon buffs felt super oppressive / other team got early dragon soul then the enemy team also got/increased their gold lead along side getting dragons.
As Jungler the whole game is about the Drakes!!
say this louder so my junglers and bot lane can hear
Baron too, please and thank you. Dang thing dies so fast now even when laning phase has just ended.
i actually sometimes let them take the first drake even if we have bot prio because it lets me clear their entire jungle if I know they're doing it. Hard for them to recover from that as jg's would be underleveled already, then more so after the invade. I essentially becomes 4v5 after that even if they got one drake
IF you want drakes to survive longer your asking for the wrong thing as more hp wont help, instead ask for the drakes to be immune to all %hp based abilities and items and up their armor and MR by 8, alternatively give dragon 
passive when vs 1 opponent.
As Jungler the whole game is about the Drakes!! Why are they so HARDCORE weak and easy to kill if they are so important?
Yeah, but the best part is, that 90% of players don't realize that.
While I agree that dragons could use some more HP.. if nothing else to at least give some more time to make some counter plays..
When you exaggerate, it only serves to discount your entire post...No one is killing a dragon in 3 seconds unless they have a good amount of damage items already... and no one can go kill a dragon at level 1, I do not think it even spawns in time for that to happen. But if your jungler has not killed it by level 4, He is probably not very good..
Riot did post a twitter comment saying that they are looking at the jungle changes and plan to tweak it a bit more, so lets hope they fix it.(not holding my breath)
I always thought about them and I liked to understand why it was possible to do such a solo objective, even when you see that it is possible to do a Nashor with two person ...
Riot : Guys but but but alcoves! Did you seen them! We made a smart move.Dont worry about drakes they are balanced.And Jungle is now in right place together with top (yy on bottom of garbage bin that must be there coz i once get gank and that was unfair)Oh and btw buffs for mages and and are on the way.
