The Years Led To... This.

Cats Are Food··12 votes·5,113 views

So I took a break for awhile, about a year almost, and came back to the forums to see... The same complaints. The exact same complaints. The damage creep, the speeding up of gameplay, and of course the same confusion as to the problem. I've said it, repeatedly, over the years. Each time I was called crazy, insane, a noob, someone who didn't understand the basic mechanics of the game...

Yet - Now the boards are actually starting to say the exact same things I have said for years. People are finally starting to realize the fundamental problems here.

3 years ago. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cEu5TaYt-some-simple-truths-about-league-and-how-this-works

> [{quoted}](name=Cats Are Food,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cEu5TaYt,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-07-12T03:41:10.050+0000) - Stop asking for True Damage. I've seen numerous posts recommending items that bear True Damage, and if you think that Sated Devourer on Yi is bad, you missed a few things in the past. There is a reason that only two champions, until Vayne and then it was three, could use True Damage. I think that RIOT has forgotten this, but your asking for more is not going to help. You cancel all armor, health, MR, etc. This is why, during RIOT asking players for Tower Rework ideas, True Damage was denied.

3 Years ago. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cALjTivt-pure-shred-back-a-brief-historical-outlook

> [{quoted}](name=Cats Are Food,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cALjTivt,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-07-11T18:36:50.986+0000) - Then came the dark days. Those days where True Damage became popular once more despite only two champions wielding this, as it was considered then, ridiculous power. Ah! Now comes the evil that once was. Master Yi, Teemo, Irelia, Vayne, Warwick, and the rest began to roam into the jungle once more. A home to some already, and a tentative location for the rest, the drive to Sate their Devourer was simply too strong. A mockery to the failed Council, as the enchanters cackled with glee... the League once again under the domination of Shred... and this time with no Council to attempt to step in.

2 Years ago https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/tOUiP%%%-return-of-the-metagolem-true-damage-again

> [{quoted}](name=Cats Are Food,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tOUiP%%%,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-26T17:47:41.473+0000) - This is working frighteningly well, as even during losses the sheer ability to murder anyone who has not gone tanky is staggering. Not merely killing squishies, but the ability to massacre solid damage builds because they can no longer sustain enough punishment for anyone to care.

The fun part is that even this post will be met with the same responses. There has to be SOMETHING else that is the problem. There has to be a complex problem, buried somewhere in the ether, that is so sublime that no one knows how to solve it. Maybe if THIS is buffed, and THIS is nerfed, it will all change.

The only thing that changes is the power creep continues to grow, the speed of games continues to shrink, and you people still complain.

  • You want assassins to kill champions like Vayne ? Boost their damage.
  • You want Vayne to survive long enough? Make her hit harder and be more mobile.
  • Now the juggernauts can close, but can't kill fast enough to matter? Boost their damage.
  • Now tanks are worthless? Increase their presence.
  • Now enchanters are being left behind? Itemization Overload.

That is the exact trend this game has followed for almost 5 years. Instead of ever being scaled back, the initial problem fixed, and everyone moving on from there? It has continued to be driven forward, by shrieking players, demanding MORE power instead of less.

Don't expect much from this, I really don't, but I'm saying it anyway. And these are just the posts I've made after renaming myself to this.

Edit: Fixed quote formatting.

9 Comments

SwiftKitten889 votes

yeah the players are finally getting it... but riot isn't

Cats Are Food3 votes

Well, RIOT will take awhile. They've had years and years of people demanding MORE and MORE instead of less. It's only recently players began to cry for less.

SwiftKitten884 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cats Are Food,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pE2vBVQM,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-21T00:36:02.784+0000)

Well, RIOT will take awhile. They've had years and years of people demanding MORE and MORE instead of less. It's only recently players began to cry for less.

.... yeah there were a bunch of morons asking for more.. there wer also people begging riot to not give it to them.

like the whining ADC's who got balanced in early 2017.. riot had a chance then to nerf the other classes to match them? and what did they do? they broke the ADC's

we have released like reworked Akali Irelia Pyke.. these should never have gone live.

and everyone fucking knows that. except riot.

the thing is... riot balance team is SUPPOSEd to know whats good for the game... they should be able to tell if a person is asking for a buff becuase a champion was nerfed unintentionally .. or if a group of players is asking for a buff to a champion with a 53+% winrate.

the fact is they dont... becuase they don't PLAY the game.

the biggest nerfs riot ever gives are the ones done by "indirectly" by "accident".

they dont listen to ANY pbe balance responces.

i mean i could go down the list and name like 40+ champs that are op.

but the sad part is some of them... while OP are just so far down the list becuase they keep making worse and worse stuff.

like i would like to complain about how Kled 's untargetabilty and aggro drop and his ability to regain a shit ton of hp mid fight is bad.

but thats NOTHING comapred to the other shit we have right now.

i mean just last patch we have minions getting +100 movement speed at 25 min... its ABSURD.

absolutely crazy... it a _huge _nerf to any champion that uses a skillshot that cant pass trhough minions... becuase they move so damn fast its now completly impossible to thread it trhough them... not to mention the creep block is a million times worse

Cats Are Food2 votes

To be fair the PBE has always been a bit of placating nonsense by RIOT. Originally they just let all of us in, the honor requirement now is low and silly.

Nevrankroaton1 votes

Don't forget to show us your dakimura featuring yourself and the nobel prize you just won.

I am not sure you displayed your greatness enough.

Cats Are Food1 votes

Hmm? No. The point is that the playerbase has, by and large, caused their own problems. They also don't actually listen to anyone outside echo chambers.

Nevrankroaton1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cats Are Food,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pE2vBVQM,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-21T13:44:48.764+0000)

Hmm? No. The point is that the playerbase has, by and large, caused their own problems. They also don't actually listen to anyone outside echo chambers.

A lot of people here were saying this, I hate with a burning passion the biatches residing here but they didn't ask for more damage. If anything, they were pretty much saying how it would be bad to have more true damage and big damage mechanic overall.

Cats Are Food1 votes

You really should go look in the board archives lol. Some of the most popular posts have been requests along the lines of:

"X doesn't do enough damage and they dont feel like they matter."

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