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So MonteCristo was interviewed during the FNC EDG series

Divewing··4 votes·747 views

One of the questions/minor topics brought up was "adaptability to change in the meta" To which monte replied: "I think it's true (that teams will adapt)... that said I'm really not a fan of the massive patch change right before the world championship, I think it's pretty much bullshit that they would make such drastic sweeping changes, and have no competitive games up until the world championships so we don't even know what's broken and whats not, what needs fixing..." (he then takes a shot at riot about hosting the tournament.

Now I realise that Monte isn't everyone's favourite guy, but is he wrong? Red side for the most part of this tournament has pretty much only had 1 ban to work with due to necessity to ban Gangplank and Mirdekaiser. Every team that had the choice in the quarterfinals so far has elected to play on blue side.

Personally, I don't think it's possible for this game to be balanced for both solo Q and professional play at the same time the way it currently operates. We've seen this many times already through Azir nerfs, Darius being somewhat mediocre at worlds in a patch where he was ripping solo Q apart, the massive champion diversity at worlds while Vayne is all we see in solo Q, which is the exact opposite of the tank meta where solo Q was actually bearable for the first time in a while, but professional play was a continuous recycle of 12 or so champions.

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xJLx MCHammer2 votes

He is wrong

Players know what is wrong. Hence they know what to ban. They know this because they skrim and practice with each other. He is butt hurt that Chinese teams can't proceed through. Specifically those he praised

The game doesn't need to have perfect balance. Kass was perms banned every game for 2 seasons till he got nerfed. This patch we knew morde would be a problem

Azir is balanced. The fact is he requires skills, work, and a lot of practice. This is why in pro play he is good and in solo q he suffers. Now does he suffer a lot? No, but his winrate is shot down by high pick rate

. His other stats are above average. By 5.22 I'm sure a lot of the high champ pick would be toned down like Darius, morde, fiora, and gp. I think 5.18 and 5.19 are quite good in terms of balance.

Divewing3 votes

5.19 and 5.22 shouldn't factor into this at all. The problem is in that there was very little for the teams to work with to prepare, and it's proven at worlds with this mordekaiser GP must ban thing. Red side is getting shafted most games because blue side can usually get most of what they want.

Honestly regardless of what you think, can you seriously agree that that is fair?

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

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5.19 and 5.22 shouldn't factor into this at all. The problem is in that there was very little for the teams to work with to prepare, and it's proven at worlds with this mordekaiser GP must ban thing. Red side is getting shafted most games because blue side can usually get most of what they want.

Honestly regardless of what you think, can you seriously agree that that is fair?

It is fair. They had over a month to prepare and skrim with each other. They knew through skrims not to let morde through. I don't get how is this worse than kass

Kass not only was nearly perms banned but the games he played in were total land slide victories.

Divewing3 votes

I dont get how just because they had time to know: 'we have to perma ban morde and GP' makes it OK. THIS IS NOT THE PLAYERS FAULT. THERES NO SICK MORDE MAIN THEY ARE BANNING OUT THERES NO ULTIMATE GANGPLANK PLAYER THEY ARE BANNING OUT The only reason they are getting perma banned is because Riot broke them. Kassadin shouldn't factor into it at all. As it stands, this is Riots mistake, and the players are getting punished for it, and THAT, is what's wrong here.

xJLx MCHammer3 votes

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I dont get how just because they had time to know: 'we have to perma ban morde and GP' makes it OK. THIS IS NOT THE PLAYERS FAULT. THERES NO SICK MORDE MAIN THEY ARE BANNING OUT THERES NO ULTIMATE GANGPLANK PLAYER THEY ARE BANNING OUT The only reason they are getting perma banned is because Riot broke them. Kassadin shouldn't factor into it at all. As it stands, this is Riots mistake, and the players are getting punished for it, and THAT, is what's wrong here.

You are looking at it so bad Before Azir and Viktor were nearly picked and banned every game. There was no huge mid laner that needed to be banned out, it was the champ. Kalista for much of summer split was nearly pick and banned with a ban rate at 80% in Eu and 73% in Na. Kass prior to that was nearly picked and banned Elise is pretty much a pick and ban since her buff

while I agree morde and Gragas are bad and too strong, I think it's silly you are trying to make this some isolated incident when in fact there is always that one or two champs that are pick or banned every game.

Divewing1 votes

Except it is an isolated incident. this is the biggest thing for these players every year, literally the one thing they strive for the most, and because of mistakes made by riot they are walking into it with a solid handicap if on red side. The fact that similar things have happened in the past should've been warning enough for Riot that these changes were a bad idea. I still don't understand your argument either. It implies you are justifying this by saying it's happened before, but in those cases you agree it was bad? You still have yet to actually legitimately prove that this is acceptable or not, all you are doing is throwing numbers and stats at my face with a: "It's happened before", but no real point to it all whatsoever.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

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Except it is an isolated incident. this is the biggest thing for these players every year, literally the one thing they strive for the most, and because of mistakes made by riot they are walking into it with a solid handicap if on red side. The fact that similar things have happened in the past should've been warning enough for Riot that these changes were a bad idea. I still don't understand your argument either. It implies you are justifying this by saying it's happened before, but in those cases you agree it was bad? You still have yet to actually legitimately prove that this is acceptable or not, all you are doing is throwing numbers and stats at my face with a: "It's happened before", but no real point to it all whatsoever.

Mate, listen to yourself.

"It is an isolated incident"

And yet you seem to agree that Kass had a similar if not much worse problem. He was like this for nearly 2 season.

Divewing1 votes

ok shut up. Answer one question: Is it ok that red side have to perma ban Morde and GP? YES OR NO, NONE OF THIS BULLSHIT "Hurr well kass was perma ban season 2"

Zielmann1 votes

I actually do agree somewhat with what he's saying. I think it was naive of Riot to believe that two patches would be enough to properly tune things after 4 major reworks. And only a patch or two more on Fiora's as well. I do hope they learn to refrain from such massive changes right at the end of the season in the future. They really feel like they would have been more appropriate to introduce in the preseason, instead.

That said, it clearly hasn't hurt diversity all that much. I think we've seen over half the champion pool so far, which is pretty solid. Origen even rolled into the Semi's on the back of Anivia, which is a pick I'm sure a lot of people weren't really expecting to see at all. But we'll never know what would have happened if gp and morde weren't basically required bans.

Sire Hippington1 votes

if it only were 4 reworks, but also tank item nerfs and new items(we see nearly 100% carry toplanes, and almost exclusive the new items besides low gold roles as jungle/sup) And while overall diversity at worlds, especially bot and mid, looks good, it sure seems like redside has a server disadvantage by only haveing 1 targeted ban.

Sire Hippington1 votes

i think a small invitational for some not-worlds pro teams befor worlds would have been great to get a view on the proffesional landscape and broken pics that can be fixed pre worlds. or maybe staying in touch with the pros and geather feedback from their scirms to adress extreme outliners like GP or Morde for the worlds patch...

Kharn Skyshatter1 votes

Did he forget that last world's patch buffed Trinity Force so all we saw was Kog, Corki, etc?

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