Can we let solo laners carry games again?

Rexxiee·Feb 10, 2018·101 votes·5,222 views

Please, get rid of junglers being so overly powerful early game, its so sickening when say, you're playing mid, and you're dominating your lane opponent but you still lose the game 20 mins in because they had a lee that ganked every lane and you had an afk farming graves, eventually the lee flash Rs me and then my opposing laner easily catches up, this also makes the whole snowball problem even worse since the team with the better jungler will snowball into a 20 min victory 9 out of 10 times since even if you're doing well yourself as a top/mid if their jungler is destroying your whole team you're gonna get deathballed on 15 mins in and lose the game with no chance to have impact on the game.

Junglers shouldnt be the only thing that matters in the first 20 mins, its supposed to be a team game isnt it?

Junglers decide the first 20 (basically the whole game) and then bot lane decides the rest of the match, where does that leave mid and top?? You're basically forced to play the meta broken champions to have any kind of chance to impact the game (like azir/gp/camille/katarina), feel like playing ahri mid or irelia top? Hope you have fun having 0 impact on the game outcome.

I remember in season 2 if i played well irelia i could take over the game, destroy junglers/bot lane and solo carry the game, that is not even close to being possible anymore because of how much power junglers and supports have been given for absolutely free (like how its impossible to put junglers behind cause of catch up exp).

114 Comments

wildfox99Feb 10, 201830 votes

just make jungle farm far more punitive,i think it's stupid that junglers like Shyvana can outfarm a solo laner so easily,and junglers like LeeSin are allowed to camp a lane for 15 minutes without falling behind

i mean, if there is a laner that's dominating a lane (he's going to hard stomp his opponent),a jungler can just camp and the said laner can't do anything but hoping his jungler will countergank,because even if he play safe he will lose CS for the pressure/zoning/farming unther the tower,his tower will be pushed (and if he get a bad trade or back before his laner once his tower is gone) and he will lose gold for buying pink,and after the jungler get his 6 can be even dived in some cases

that's because a jungler camping can make the enemy laner lose more farm/XP than he actually does,and that assuming the laner is playing it perfectly without getting caught once (he should be rewarded for that,not punished,if i can avoid 10+ gank mid where i can get ganked from 9+places it means i'm better than my enemies,so why i'm losing anyway!?!)

if farming jungle becomes hard junglers wont be able to gank with the same frequency,and if they start to sit a lane bush they will fall behind as well,making the things balanced :

the better jungler babysitt the better laner,so both the "best" players falls behind and both the "worst" players get ahead,so it's even . . . i miss when the jungle clear took some mechanics (things like kiting,resetting animations),now i can just afk AA the monsters and still being full health after clearing my jungle

ThefrostyvikingFeb 10, 20183 votes

You do realize that there is no jungler capable of "outfarming" laners right?

There simply arent enough jungle camps for that, at least if only controlling one jungle.

What actually happens is that Shyvana clears the entire/half enemy jungle while they gank toplane and then clears her own while enemy jungle recalls.

Then goes to gank in the downtime while enemy jungle runs around trying to see if any of their camps are up x)

...That or she takes dragon the moment enemy jungle goes top, at least i do when playing her, free stats are freelo.

And even if you die mid once you won't lose lane instantly, 1 kill is about 15 minions so if you truly smash the lane you´d have a 30 CS lead even if you do not kill the enemy laner?

wildfox99Feb 10, 20184 votes

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You do realize that there is no jungler capable of "outfarming" laners right?

There simply arent enough jungle camps for that, at least if only controlling one jungle.

What actually happens is that Shyvana clears the entire/half enemy jungle while they gank toplane and then clears her own while enemy jungle recalls.

Then goes to gank in the downtime while enemy jungle runs around trying to see if any of their camps are up x)

...That or she takes dragon the moment enemy jungle goes top, at least i do when playing her, free stats are freelo.

well,shivana can't outfarm a laner in terms of CS number,but don't forget that a jungle camp gives more gold than a minion

And even if you die mid once you won't lose lane instantly, 1 kill is about 15 minions so if you truly smash the lane you´d have a 30 CS lead even if you do not kill the enemy laner?

not if the jungler is babysitting you (like i said),you will lose more CS even if you are better (or at least you'll never be albe to outfarm him),and that's assuming the lane isn't even (because if you are in a even lane,you are going to get snowballed untill you don't want to rq for that gank)

WimbledofyFeb 10, 20182 votes

Actually jungle camps count as more than 1 cs now, so it's easily possible for a shyv to have more cs than a laner.

Leaf on BushFeb 10, 201814 votes

If Shyvana starts to go on a rampage she will naturally also take lane minions when pushing towers and some of that farm would probably have went to another player.

TelosenFeb 11, 20182 votes

"Farm" is often mistaken for "gold." The jungler's cs can be lower than a laner's but they could have more gold easily, especially someone like Shyvana or Kayn. Shyvana can outfarm mid or top without breaking a sweat for sure. I see it in plenty of games.

Junglers that farm fast farm WAY too fucking fast compared to normal junglers need toned down a bit. And junglers who farm slowly are so slow they are literally unplayable due to it. They should tone down champs like Shyvana and Kayn and help the shitty junglers, but this is Riot we're talking about.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 11, 20181 votes

By the 10 minutes mark a jungler can clear their jungle at most 3 times, for around 1500-1600 gold.

In the same timespan a laner will if CS'ing as perfectly as above jungle clears will have around 2100 gold.

Tell me again, how the heck can a jungler outfarm a laner?

They don't, not without getting fed and taking over either the enemy jungle or lanes.

And the only really shitty jungler that struggles to farm is fiddlesticks as far as i know, the others have problems in other areas.

TelosenFeb 11, 20181 votes

You're imagining a perfect world where neither mid laner is pressuring each other, and neither bot, top or junglers interfere with mid or top. A world where everyone is allowed to CS perfectly.

That doesn't exist. This is why Junglers like Shyvana and Kayn can have more gold with no kills or assists than their mid or top laners. The tendency for your lane opponent to try to kill you, harass you, or zone you is much much much greater than the tendency of the enemy jungler to try to take your camps because of factors such as not knowing the timers of the small camps, not knowing if the buffs are actually there, worrying about being collapsed on, or being killed by the enemy jungler. If you're a powerfarming jungler, there basically is no chance for the enemy to steal your camps either, because you're always doing them quickly.

TLDR: Your scenario already takes what I said into account when it comes to clearing the jungle 3 times by 10 minutes. That is easy and happens often. But mid or top rarely get to cs perfectly without being ganked, harassed, or dying 1v1.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 11, 20182 votes

You know, you were almost making an excellent point....but you kinda ruined it all by mentioning lanes getting ganked.

That was something i was intending to comment on already though, for i intentionally left that hole in my first comment waiting for someone to stumble into it as someone thoughtless definitely would.

You´d argue that laners can't farm perfectly? Did you ever stop to consider the fact that for my claim that one can clear the jungle 3 times in 10 minutes the jungler would have to instantly clear all the camps the moment they spawn after the first time?

That and they must never gank either, to ensure that they don't waste any time or having to recall.

So do tell me, between a laner missing only 10 CS until 10 minutes and a jungler perfectly clearing all the camps when they spawn with no downtime and still managing to react to enemy jungle, which is more unrealistic?

I myself find it kinda difficult to believe that a jungler could manage to not only perfectly clear their jungle with almost no downtime twice in a row after the first time and still somehow maintain map pressure and keep enemy jungle under watch.

TelosenFeb 11, 20182 votes

Have you ever watched Shyvana, Udyr, or Kayn? They quite literally do what you just said. Shyvana in particular can clear camps in less than 4 seconds after she starts to buy some items, and with an item and a half she literally does camps in 2 seconds or less. They've nerfed her damage to monsters a few times these past two years for this reason. She can clear camps repeatedly without having to back either. Shyvana is also not that great of a ganker before level 6, which is why she tends to powerfarm her jungle and the enemy jungle camps when possible. There is a reason shyvana has the highest average jungle cs of all junglers in the game while being below average for kills and assists across junglers.

I described a scenario in which a farm jungler is not ganking when I mentioned that they don't have kills or assists. A farm jungler by definition prefers to farm, they tend NOT to gank, and they often get flamed by teammates for not applying pressure. They avoid combat in an effort to out-level everyone in the game for a power spike later. I get the feeling you intentionally forgot this in your argument.

l MrD lFeb 10, 201816 votes

this has been my past games and it really has been annoying ..... you can get ganked to the point where youre forced under turret to stay there and as you say a Lee can still gank with flash then R you out .... i played a game earlier today was winning lane got ahead roamed bot got a kill for bot suddenly when im back mid im being camped so i dont roam and forced to stay under turret .... meanwhile our yi is AFK farming .... its kinda fustrating to have the early game depend on the jungler

RexxieeFeb 10, 201815 votes

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this has been my past games and it really has been annoying ..... you can get ganked to the point where youre forced under turret to stay there and as you say a Lee can still gank with flash then R you out .... i played a game earlier today was winning lane got ahead roamed bot got a kill for bot suddenly when im back mid im being camped so i dont roam and forced to stay under turret .... meanwhile our yi is AFK farming .... its kinda fustrating to have the early game depend on the jungler

Yeah you just outright lose the whole map/early game/whole game if you have an afk farming and they have a jungler ganking.

All because of 1 player impact on each team, seems fair right?

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 10, 201810 votes

Wait don't you enjoy nidalee throwing 5 spears at you under your turret from the brush at level 4. You dodge everything until they just towerdive you and no amount of pings is gonna help you? And nidalee keeps towerdiving you another three times while you lose mid, bot, drake, herald and your jungler is flaming his team because for whatever fuckin reason he is diamond despite being mentally retarded only farming and backporting every minute? It's interesting gameplay how toplane is entirely decided by the jungler and usually the jungler that decides top also has the team that wins everything else.

Leaf on BushFeb 10, 20182 votes

Your team doesn't lose because you get camped. You just have to swallow your pride.

You are not supposed to solo win your lane 1v2, you don't have to, you have to minimize the damage and just sit it out, when the laning phase ends your team can still come out on top.

PS: I am looking forward to read your arguments so we can discuss openly why you disagree and downvoted my comment. [slayer-jinx-wink]

ThilmerFeb 11, 20181 votes

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Your team doesn't lose because you get camped. You just have to swallow your pride.

You are not supposed to solo win your lane 1v2

You are not supposed to win your lane 1 vs 2 because junglers are not supposed to stay in a lane for 10 minutes without consequences. That for a start.

Leaf on BushFeb 12, 20181 votes

Don't be ridiculous there are always consequences. If you as jungler camp top you can lose your bot jungle, lose dragons and your enemies will know where you are. There also is a limit to how much value you can gain from camping one lane and at some point your lane would win anyway without getting babysitted so you are wasting potential. And again all you have to do to punish this kind of play is to swallow your fucking pride and deal with it if you are the one getting camped and don't give them more gold than you have to!

No jungler would camp you for 10 min straight without farming and certainly not without consequences, this is just complete nonsense. Is this your argument? What a joke dude, just stop it. If you wanna play at the lowest level with zero regard for your team ok then do it, but for the love of god stop acting like you understand the game or like you had any clue about consequences.

GrokmirFeb 10, 201811 votes

First you say that the game is supposed to be a team game, then you say you want to be able to solo carry games...

Pick one please.

EssenceOfPooFeb 10, 20187 votes

OP, probably:

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HaIlMonitorFeb 11, 20183 votes

Solo lanes carry... Like Protect the dps mage, or pick comps that don't always need blitz + some adc like twitch. Not "LB just 1v5'd at baron pit" or "Jax vs 4 people well your team pushes"

In older season a lot of junglers couldn't 1v1 unless they had buffs or were really fed. Currently if I am top and I push out my laner at 3:15 and his Jax jungle shows up he can probably solo me easy if I am missing 20% or so HP depending on my champ, which wasn't the case before. (Back then though jax lost basically every lane and then became a monster after 2 or so items)

What has happened over time is Junglers, some how are as strong as top and mid, and both bot lanes will be a lot closer in levels and power + scale faster. Top and Mid don't carry unless they gank bot, its the sad truth. Even if you are a 5-0 Irelia in top but their bot lane is 3/0 a lot of times you can kill the adc in team fight and you have to peel for your worthless ADC that does no damage.

GrokmirFeb 11, 20186 votes

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Solo lanes carry... Like Protect the dps mage, or pick comps that don't always need blitz + some adc like twitch. Not "LB just 1v5'd at baron pit" or "Jax vs 4 people well your team pushes"

In older season a lot of junglers couldn't 1v1 unless they had buffs or were really fed. Currently if I am top and I push out my laner at 3:15 and his Jax jungle shows up he can probably solo me easy if I am missing 20% or so HP depending on my champ, which wasn't the case before. (Back then though jax lost basically every lane and then became a monster after 2 or so items)

What has happened over time is Junglers, some how are as strong as top and mid, and both bot lanes will be a lot closer in levels and power + scale faster. Top and Mid don't carry unless they gank bot, its the sad truth. Even if you are a 5-0 Irelia in top but their bot lane is 3/0 a lot of times you can kill the adc in team fight and you have to peel for your worthless ADC that does no damage.

Blitz isn't even pick or ban. You'd be better off saying alistar and some adc.

Anyways solo laners can carry. I've done it myself plenty of times. You just have to spread your advantage to the rest of your team. You know, like a team game. And you can do protect the dps mage comp, but good luck getting your team to roll with it. An example of this is azir, who is fairly popular nowadays.

You're saying you lose 1v1 vs junglers when you already have less health than them? How is this a bad thing? You should have to outplay people when you are lower health, not just auto win just because of your roles. Yes junglers used to be weaker and years ago they were just glorified supports. I'm glad its still not like that. Jungling was boring af back then.

And there we go, top and mid can't carry unless they actually play with their team. Big surprise. I bet you'd rather just run it down your lane and fight the enemy as they try to stop you, disregarding your team entirely. How about you learn about roles and realize that you win games by getting your carries fed? Not just adc, but mid laners also. Even top laners if they get fed. Its all about playing around whoever is strongest on your team at any given point. This might be your riven because she stomped lane. It might mean your fed yi jungle. It might even mean your (surprise!) shitty adc after they've gotten some items and can fight back.

But in the end it matters is how good your team is. Sometimes you'll get a bad jungler that doesn't know how to prioritize his ganks. But you'll just have to get over it and maybe do the ganking yourself. There's nothing wrong with being carried.

Leaf on BushFeb 10, 20188 votes

If the enemy jungler destroys all lanes he deserves to win. There are ways to avoid getting ganked and there ways to comeback. Also 1 gank is often not enough to stop an enemy from winning that lane and certainly not enough to decide the game.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 10, 20187 votes

Most of my games recently have been entirely DECIDED by the solo laners. Top lane and Mid lane snowballs are way more effective than people give credit for.

Ionian VulpixFeb 10, 20186 votes

They still can. You just need to kill your opponent enough so they can't stop you from getting their ADC

As someone who plays ADC, I'm tired of getting pointy things shoved in both ends because my top laner picked a useless when behind fighter and lost top badly (Every Jayce ever)

NyarlathοtepFeb 10, 20185 votes

As much as i hate junglers camping a single lane, and the whole thing of what you said ( you snowball from your lane yet still be unable to carry), you still have to remember that in the end lol its a teamgame. Losing a game just because one enemy got fed just sucks balls. There has to be a bit of balance, between solo carrying and team playing.

BârdFeb 10, 20185 votes

Solo laners can carry... if you're picking a carry.

AurelionSol Azir Cassiopeia Ryze Yasuo are mid carries. Annie Leblanc Lux Syndra are not carries.

Akali Fiora Jayce Trundle Tryndamere are some top carries. Chogath Galio JarvanIV Singed Sion are not carries.

A lot of top lane carries currently suffer from the lack of a replacement for Fervor of Battle, but that doesn't mean that the lane as a whole can't carry.

A team needs more than carries.

Tanks
Front line
Peel
Inituation
Disengage
Pick
Poke
Waveclear
Damage spread
CC
Splitpush

Just to name a few.

League is a team game. If you want to carry, pick a carry, but don't blame me (or Riot) if your comp is complete shit. Otherwise, you'll just have to make do with carrying off your shot calling.

RainbowIceeFeb 11, 20183 votes

brand can carry the game pretty well though, j4 , cho and sion can carry the game too.

BârdFeb 11, 20182 votes

Brand can kill a squishy in one rotation. He's also good at killing tanks, but he can't do it very quickly.

The rest aren't even close to being carries.

J4 and Cho have high burst and mediocre DPS. After that's done, they're just disruption.

Sion does OK damage, but it's slow and unreliable. He's there for initiation, distruption, area denial, and lockdown.

Best Ekko NAFeb 11, 20183 votes

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Solo laners can carry... if you're picking a carry.

are mid carries. are not carries.

are some top carries. are not carries.

A lot of top lane carries currently suffer from the lack of a replacement for Fervor of Battle, but that doesn't mean that the lane as a whole can't carry.

A team needs more than carries.

Tanks

Front line

Peel

Inituation

Disengage

Pick

Poke

Waveclear

Damage spread

CC

Splitpush

Just to name a few.

League is a team game. If you want to carry, pick a carry, but don't blame me (or Riot) if your comp is complete shit. Otherwise, you'll just have to make do with carrying off your shot calling.

I disagree, you can carry on any of those champions if you understand the game and the appropriate method of carrying with said champion. Good decision making, mechanics, and build, you can carry with almost any champion.

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 11, 20185 votes

How would putting 1 player in such a strong position to solo carry be healthy in any way shape or form? "Meta breaking champs" you mean like every other lane? This one is not exclusive to top, every lane has meta picks. You guys just want to spam the same champ into every scenerio regardless of the situation, i wont pick ashe adc into a low damage team, you shouldnt pick irelia to a team with no tanks or engage, isnt that self explenatory?

About junglers, it's a 2 way street, i've been there too.. getting camped and losing just because you were playing 2v1, but guess what, this isnt a top problem either, every lane who gets camped will lose, it's up to your jungler to react to the enemy and either counter gank or trade objectives. Junglers havd impact just like every other lanes, a jungler who puts work to get lanes ahed and help struggling ones shouldnt be unrewarded because your jungler was afk farming, yea it sucks but that's how it is.

Saying "i want to solo carry" just shows the selfish nature of why you need to blame everything about the game but your own choices, every other role needs to adapt it's picks and champs to the meta and enemy team, if i would pick jhin into a hyper mobile engage focused enemy team - i will get fucked and no one would blame the meta, that's just what i get for blindly picking because i picked selfishly.

Im not saying game balance is perfect, far from it, im just pointing out flaws in your solo carry arguement.

BlåbæretFeb 11, 20185 votes

Jungle isn't the problem, never has been. It's too much power coming out of bot lane which renders everything else useless. Even with a fed mid laner you can't win the game without a decent bot. Stop blaming the jungle for ADC meta.

DemonlolzFeb 11, 20184 votes

As a jungler I can tell you that this isn't the case. Many people see junglers as taking over the game because they don't think about all the time good junglers lose games. If you play jungle you will realize how reliant on your laners you actually are. The real issue in your scenario is that you and your bot lane are not securing river vision. When mid and bot are ahead and they secure bottomside river there is nothing a jungler can do. He can't gank mid or bot without exposing himself in the river and it is usually too risky for him to go for drag. On the other hand, your team has control of drag and can easily move from one lane to another. Also, if mid and bot towers are down, the enemy jungler will usually have to forfeit up his entire botside jungle. The only thing a jungler can do from that point is to play around his top side/top laner, and top is arguably the lane that has the least effect on the game (this patch). Also mid and bot scale harder than junglers most of the time so even if you can't shut down their jungler, if you don't lose your lead he will become irrelevant.

                   Ultimately though you see it as being the jungler, it's usually the game state that is out of control. Instead of blaming the jungler use your advantage to gain vision control then the enemy jungler will have no opportunity to gank you, and if you can't control vision, because your jungle and botlane are useless, then there is nothing you can do, league is a team game and the enemy jungle had the better team, it's unfortunate but unavoidable.

P.S. the only reason people think junglers have control of the game is because the junglers don't have waves or towers to protect. So when a jungle gets fed he can move around freely and influence all the lanes. but in reality, a fed mid top supp or adc can do the same thing after they take tower, with the added bonus of having more gold and xp from lane farm. That's why when an enemy botlane gets fed it is so oppressive because you know have two laners that can roam. If your having trouble winning games, eventhough you are stomping your lane, you should learn better macro and stop blaming the jungler [sg-miss-fortune]

Zed geniusFeb 10, 20183 votes

Please, get rid of junglers being so overly powerful the game

wtf game are you playing

Diamond2KappaFeb 10, 201820 votes

its called "league of legends" hehe

ReshiKillimFeb 10, 20183 votes

The problem with the jungle is that the jungle is heavily unbalanced, and many of the junglers that should be strong mid-late are either unable to be relevant because they get starved out of the jungle due to strong early champions, or they don't get the time to scale up to their full potential because the games are shorter now, and are heavily dominated by early game champions and hypercarries that're still strong in the early game.

Attticus FinchFeb 10, 20183 votes

League is a team game. Play Starcraft if you want victory to be solely dependant on your performance.

Lil Homie bustaFeb 11, 20183 votes

If you told me back in the S4 that in the future, junglers would be able to gank laners with 1 level above them at 2 minutes just for clearing one camp and two buffs, i would piss my self laughing.

Malicious FuryFeb 11, 20183 votes

https://i.imgur.com/ExvcYoN.jpg

JoeMGFeb 11, 20183 votes

Let solo laners carry, but not jungle or adc.

The Yetii RiderFeb 10, 20182 votes

Riot is making changes to try and open up bot lane. One consequence of this will be making marksmen less mandatory, with changes to turrets and the game in general. After that happens, even if you have a marksman in the game they should be less impactful in dictating wins and losses.

RexxieeFeb 10, 20189 votes

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Riot is making changes to try and open up bot lane. One consequence of this will be making marksmen less mandatory, with changes to turrets and the game in general. After that happens, even if you have a marksman in the game they should be less impactful in dictating wins and losses.

Dont see on how that fixes the whole jungler being lvl 3 with full health and double buffs top lane at 2:30~45 while top is lvl 2.

Or how the fact the jungle difference is the thing that decides most games in high elo.

Jinx HunterFeb 11, 20182 votes

The issue is marksmen and junglers (early pressure), don't forget. tanks are an issue to btw.

LordGeovanniFeb 11, 20182 votes

if you gonna let solo laners carry games then junglers should influence that. what kills solo laners from carrying games is not junglers its that no matter how fed they get if their bot lane doesnt win it doesnt matter.

WrÆthFeb 11, 20182 votes

I think jungle (and the game as a whole, but jungle more specifically) right now is a fucking joke.

One of the biggest reasons I quit jungle was because of the farming jungler meta right now. Literally the most boring shit every single game, where shyvana just gets blood razor and out tempos everyone in the game, taking dragons at 4 minutes.

In competitive, the only viable junglers are super tanks (sejuani, gragas, jarvan, sometimes even skarner, zac) and picking anything else is to near throw a game, unless it's something like Kha, who is so fucking ridiculous right now that we aren't even going to talk about him.

I disagree with anyone saying lee sin is broken. Right now lee sin is probably the most balanced hes been for the past 2 years. He was a little more powerful with the ability to take stopwatch+magical footware, but since that has been nerfed, he's fallen into a pretty good spot. Of course he's going to have a 20% pick rate in high elo. He always is, because he's one of the most fun champions to play in the game, and when mastered can be powerful.

Meanwhile midlane, the same shit is picked every game. It's either malzahar, azir, zoe, ryze every single fucking game. So fun to see the enemy laner get ccd and 100-0d every time the midlaner's ult is up. Literally the most degenerate meta we've seen in quite some time mid.

The only answer to the mega tanks in the jungle right now are super tank shredders like varus and kog. So of course those 2 are pick ban every game. Kog has been nerfed, but he will still be inevitably good in competitive at some point.

Top is vlad gp gnar every game. I hope I don't need to explain why this is not healthy.

Overall just a shit meta.

ThilmerFeb 11, 20182 votes

It's really difficult carrying a game as a midlaner or toplaner rigth now.

Most of the power to carry is in the botlane, and then we have junglers who gank once per minute because they barely lose experience or gold if they do ten failed ganks in a row.

Leaf on BushFeb 12, 20181 votes

Most of the power to carry is in the botlane

Bot lane also happens to have 2 players working together. You don't simply compare bot lane as a whole to mid lane or top lane. It doesn't make sense.

Junglers are on both sides. What makes the diffrence is how you deal with ganks and how you work with your own jungler.

Acheron16Feb 11, 20182 votes

What I read: "Let midlaners who dont leave their lanes solo carry the entire team, having 3 levels in advance to their peers literally all itemization options, ranging from squishy burst, tank melting, to invulnerabilities and utilities."

Leaf on BushFeb 12, 20181 votes

Just wondering what the enemy mid laner would say to that :D

Meep ManFeb 10, 20181 votes

I think you should probably be asking "Can the roles that go Solo Lane carry games?"

Because if I take an ADC Top and win lane, I can carry that game.

RexxieeFeb 10, 20183 votes

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I think you should probably be asking "Can the roles that go Solo Lane carry games?"

Because if I take an ADC Top and win lane, I can carry that game.

If you take adc top your lane is decided by the jungler.

Same thing for every other top/mid laner.

Meep ManFeb 11, 20182 votes

What if I ward so as not to get ganked and play safe?