Can we give real nerfs to ezreal for once?

Rexxiee·Jun 2, 2018·38 votes·13,212 views

Tired of this guy being top and now S tier for the whole fking season.

37% pick rate, 20% ban rate, 51% win rate, absolutely ridiculous (his current stats, after the hotfix nerf that did absolutely nothing)

46 Comments

EA14Jun 3, 201810 votes

I feel like he does too much dmg when he has flash as a basic ability

DisembarkJun 2, 20188 votes

Ezreal hasn't been S tier the whole season though? Early season Crit hypercarries were mostly the meta, and Ez was in A or B tier.

Or most of last season Ezreal was in F- tier, until he became a jungler on worlds patch, but people realized he was a shit jungler never to be picked again in week 2 besides by TSM to lose groups.

nGioJun 3, 20182 votes

It's funny how 1 year ago, I was on these boards reading posts about how bad he was and needed buffs desperately. Then new runes break him, he gets nerfed, the runes get nerfed, and at 51% he's still 'winning every game'. 51% is good, but it's the same win %(or below) as adc Quinn, adc Morde, adc Corki, and Sivir, and it's 2-3% below MF and Kai. I feel like Ez won't be left alone until he returns to the bottom 3 adcs in the game, where he spent most of last season.

Spicy RiceJun 3, 20184 votes

Ezreal is a champ that becomes amazing, or terrible, depending on the meta botlane.

And personally, I don't think he himself needs nerfs, as his damage is dependent on hitting skillshots, albeit fast one, but still skill shots none the less, which is a lot than can be said about most other adcs

Daddy AntsJun 2, 20187 votes

Make item 3003 item 3004 unique.

can't buy them together.

BoilTheOilJun 2, 20185 votes

0.6 ad per level is a big nerf to ezreal that lowers his auto damage and his sheen damage (20 sheen damage at level 18)

HibekiJun 3, 20183 votes

wow 20 whole damage, so instead of a Q doing 580 damage it does 560.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 3, 20185 votes

51%

#"HE'S AN S TIER CHAMPION REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

BeatzBoyFTWJun 3, 201813 votes

Playrate matters too.

Weiss GuertenaJun 3, 20182 votes

With almost 40% pickrate. Which means that you can absolutely suck balls at him and still win due to how busted he is.

Its All SkillzzJun 3, 20182 votes

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With almost 40% pickrate. Which means that you can absolutely suck balls at him and still win due to how busted he is.

no lol. you cant suck at him an win, you can just play safe an prevent the enemy team from snowballing off you.

RanmaruJun 2, 20184 votes

Ezreal is fine kaisa is not

M00ndanc3Jun 2, 20184 votes

They just put in a hot fix that decreased his AD per lvl by 1 and removed the scalling on his passive so it stays at 10% instead of 10%/11%/12%/13%/14%. this might work but his main problem tends to stem from having a huge item pool and the inability to nerf interactions he has with them without nerfing other champions.

DracosKasuJun 2, 20184 votes

Ezreal is know to abuse every item available at some point.

ƒrostγJun 3, 20184 votes

Since when is 51% winrate considered op?

ElohavenJun 3, 20186 votes

When a champion's pick rate is over 35%+ and Ezreal is 40%+

Daddy AntsJun 3, 20182 votes

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Since when is 51% winrate considered op?

With a pick rate as high as his, It's overpowered.

SuperCosmicHoboJun 2, 20183 votes

He's easily one of the champs that can either be really good after buffing or dead after nerf.

saltranJun 2, 201821 votes

He will somehow resurrect at a jungler xd

SuperCosmicHoboJun 2, 20181 votes

Oh my Aurelion Sol... may that once again be forbidden. It was either you had a good ezreal or you had a bad one lol.

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 2, 20183 votes

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** resurrect**

Screams in scuttle crab*

Giga BaboonJun 2, 20182 votes

China loves Ezreal

Do the math

ZephyrDrakeJun 3, 20182 votes

"real nerfs" what would you consider "real nerfs"? reducing his base HP to 1 at all lvls?

Bob the ToastrJun 3, 20187 votes

How about making his Q not apply on-hits? Fixes his synergy with Klepto.

Or if you want to keep that reduce the damage and increase the cooldown on his E.

Or if you want to keep that reduce the amount Q's reduce your cooldowns by.

HassohappaJun 3, 20183 votes

Suggesting that his Q not apply on hits is basically asking them to make him an entirely different character. Everything he builds is centered around his Q applying on-hits.

Bob the ToastrJun 3, 20182 votes

I suggested 3 different options. Why all the downvotes?

ZephyrDrakeJun 3, 20181 votes

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How about making his Q not apply on-hits? Fixes his synergy with Klepto.

Or if you want to keep that reduce the damage and increase the cooldown on his E.

Or if you want to keep that reduce the amount Q's reduce your cooldowns by.

and by how much you want them to reduce the damage? or reduce the amount that Q reduces CDs? or by how much you want his E to increase in CD? let me guess... to the point where the ability feels completely terrible to user in every single case

SanKakUJun 3, 20181 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm] That's a joke keystone FTR. It's not a terrible rune, but it can't compete with keystones that provide raw power. It was good before the rune rework when it was competing with smaller options like the Manaflow Band instead of things like Lethal Tempo, Press the Attack, and Electrocute.

You don't remove entire mechanics from champions because you are annoyed with bad players that use bad builds.

DoktorKaiserJun 3, 20182 votes

Am I the only person who has almost NEVER seen an Ezreal carry a game, unlike crit ADCs and especially Kai'Sa, he just pokes but he hardly scales, doesn't burst tanks and doesn't profit from enchanter supports like everyone else does ??

Its All SkillzzJun 3, 20183 votes

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Am I the only person who has almost NEVER seen an Ezreal carry a game, unlike crit ADCs and especially Kai'Sa, he just pokes but he hardly scales, doesn't burst tanks and doesn't profit from enchanter supports like everyone else does ??

cause he cant, ive never once hard carried a game as an ezreal main, unless i had full build at 20 mins due to snowballing like crazy off bad players. but there has been many games ive lost where i am the only fed one, you cant stop a nexus push with baron minions, you cant do much vs a team full of mobile assassins if your team dont help you, if the enemy doesnt fall for the oh chase ezreal an focus killing off his team first then most team fights will be won by the enemy adc even if behind ezreal, he just isnt a hyper carry champ, i only main him to try to stomp early game/mid game an snowball that lead by getting picks on squishies so my team will have an advantage an hopefully they will do something.

Vlada CutJun 2, 20181 votes

Tbh I would personally change his passive and make him AA betweem spells(not like Lucian though), to make him a better shen abuser. :^) It's not like he builds attack speed amyways besides item 3078 that get's walked all over by item 3025 . And if that were the case he'd still build item 3153 as the only attack speed item.

yoshi2790Jun 2, 20182 votes

item 3153 has attack speed too

Vlada CutJun 3, 20181 votes

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has attack speed too

Still, it's just one attack speed item.

yoshi2790Jun 3, 20181 votes

item 3078 and item 3153 are 2 items.

Vlada CutJun 4, 20181 votes

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and are 2 items.

I did mention both and updated the post. Thank you though.

D357R0Y3RJun 2, 20181 votes

AD/lvl nerfs were huge because it hurts his sheen damage

attack speed DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER on a champion that only use Q to poke

Pendergast891Jun 2, 20181 votes

maybe they should do to his q what they did (but partially reverted) to jinx's q and have a lot of its power (whether through damage or cooldown or both) locked into champ level.

ZephyrDrakeJun 3, 20183 votes

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maybe they should do to his q what they did (but partially reverted) to jinx's q and have a lot of its power (whether through damage or cooldown or both) locked into champ level.

and then you have a useless champion since you literally gimped him from doing anything useful since Q is his main skill where he literally his main skill. There is a reason why Jinx's Q was reverted to what it was

LilxPaprikaJun 2, 20181 votes

I presume AD is stronger than AP Ez? So maybe his ult could be nerfed if he goes AD and act more like jinx's if he goes AD route (so scale based on missing hp), and behave the same as current if Ezreal goes AP.

So his ult would only do as much dmg as currently while going AD if the enemy is below 40% hp...

Pika FoxJun 3, 20181 votes

Ez is almost never OP, and hasnt been this patch. Hes a consistent pick because he has multiple options and build paths and has no matchups where he is strictly countered. Hes a jack of all trades master of none pick.

Its All SkillzzJun 3, 20181 votes

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Ez is almost never OP, and hasnt been this patch. Hes a consistent pick because he has multiple options and build paths and has no matchups where he is strictly countered. Hes a jack of all trades master of none pick.

for real, hes not op, just popular adc win rates are different than most other roles, they play a small factor in how the game goes, he helps his team win by being anti-snowball an very hard to kill and can normally play ver safe, which keeps him from food for the snowbally as fuck cancer like zed/leblanc. most people are assassin mains so thats why they hate ezreal/vayne. they are adcs that are very hard to kill when played decently, unlike a varus or jinx or ashe they are just walking bags of gold to these mongoloid assassins.

Eye Of TerrorJun 3, 20181 votes

He's clearly one of the champs that truly needed a rework.

cPXt3JHpf4Jun 3, 20181 votes

The boards sure are fun. Adc players stop playing crit adcs cause they absolutely shit. Just for other to complain about adc mains playing other marksmans that don't use crit.

LordGeovanniJun 4, 20181 votes

But mah skins. Hes the One of the only 2 male champions riot makes skins for along with yasou.

LordGeovanniJun 4, 20181 votes

But mah skins. Hes the One of the only 2 male champions riot makes skins for along with yasou.

SchenixJun 4, 20181 votes

I feel this a little inflated for an issue, and more just people tired of seeing him.

A safe champion is doing very well after a slew of changes to the role, that should be fine and absolutely expected this patch. He isn't an actual carry in comparison, which of course doesn't mean he can't but just that it is less impactful -- and due to that safety, doesn't need to be doing a lot of the experimenting with items and spikes and getting used to the new operation isn't as consequential. Other ADC's spikes were nerfed timewise and Ezreals remained the same if not slightly buffed. So of course he's doing better, critical strike isn't weighing down on him.

That doesn't particularly make him broken as much as it does give him a window of opportunity to take advantage of other ADC's. Just last patch he was actually relatively bad -- nerfing him further because of the shifts to crit adc's that have larger impact on the game means his mid game is lowered to around the point of what crit adc's almost are, which were nerfed due to them spiking too early anyway for heavy impact. Ezreal late game is decent, but isn't a hard carry like the rest.

The expanded window of power he has is nice, it's more the issue that games end too early on average and if they did go on longer from the actual meta -- you would see Ezreals win rate drop. The champion itself is in a fine spot, and hovering at 50.5% with that high a playrate is healthy for a safe champion regardless. If a safe champion is dropping, there are problems -- the nature of safety is that you shouldn't be giving kills to snowball games and that you can play to end mid game -- something Tristana somehow got away with for awhile being a scaling monstrosity. As to the large window of power in relativity to the time frame of comparison, the AD nerf is as good a nerf as he needs until the adc paradigm stabilizes, and the spot he's in because of the changes reflect nothing obscene.

People like to also complain that new people get a good winrate with that pickrate and this justifies that he's too strong, even if he isn't hard carrying. The winrate for new players on Ezreal sits at 47% and goes to 49% after 100 games and then peaks going up. So no, that is certainly not the case, he is always a top 3 played champion because of his playstyle. The champion doesn't particularly require nerfs beyond the hotfix -- let people pick up Lucian again after him being gone so long as his win rate and pick rate are very close to Ezreals now as well as Jhins. There's a lot going on, calling for nerfs to specific champions instead of the balance of the new patch itself is half hearted.