Back to an Ahri meta

I know right? I love Ahri and think she is really good right now, but that subreddit just whines too much

You mean her auto targeting W, and a point blank charm + r?

Atleast assassins have to go pretty balls in to do something, ahri can do that if she wants, but she can also force a kill from a distance too. Mage+assassin doesn't make her a healthier assassin, just means she has two options while most assassins have 1 (go in). Shes no talon but she's not a healthy design either way.

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At Least she has to hit her abilities, can't say that about most assassins lol

Yeah, no. Assassins have a much riskier playstyle than Ahri does. Having skillshots isn't anything special.

Yep. Her CC is annoying, but the fact she isn't invul each 2 sec like fizz offers way more counterplay

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"Ahri is only at ~51% win rate? lets buff her E duration by 40% and reduce the cost by 15 hehe"

She had ~49% winrate.

Also no one wanted the charm buff. It was a gsrbage buff to make her a more strong support. It is like having 2 sups in the team.

If you don't like instaburst you should maybe consider playing another role and not midlane

Ahri isn't as intuitive to play against as TF during laning phase for many.

Her Q is too fast for most laners to sidestep early on. Her W doesn't have any real way to play against it when she activates it. Her E is an abrupt CC that jerks your control away and even moves your character toward Ahri. Naturally it makes you a little more irritated than TF's gold card.

TF's laning phase, meanwhile, is a bit more readable. His Q is about weaving between two cards. His W is easy to read unless it is snap casted, and you can walk out of the danger zone if you're casually last hitting creeps. TF's ult also announces itself, so you can prepare for his TP.

It's less about who's strong and more about who feels better to play against.

I agree with you. Ahri's level of safety is just stupidly high. Everytime Ahri hits 6, this is what happens:

Le me wanting to go in Ahri drops to 50% HP "Hurr durr, let me dash 3 times back into tower range" Boom, I just wasted cooldowns and even my ignite for that

And if I get too low from engaging her, she'll just waste another dash and unload her kit and then dash back to safety.

The worst part is that her R has almost 100% uptime during the laning phase. The only realistic way you can catch off Ahri is by running Frozen Mallet on someone like Yi, or blowing her up the second she uses her dash (which is pretty impossible, considering that once she uses up her 1st dash, expect the next 2 dashes to be used to get away or juke abilities really fast.)

What I'm trying to emphasize here is that Ahri has too much safety and doesn't even sacrifice an inch of damage for it. Some of that safety has to go if people want to actually play against her and not just rely on letting her pop her 3 dashes that decides on who lives and who dies.

I can't decide what my midlaner is going to pick

she needed a buff and i legit didnt see any1 say that wtf?

That's what I was thinking.

This always happens when Ahri gets utility. It doesn't make sense, but it never fails. As much as people complain if her damage ever goes up, any time she gets a utility buff, her winrate jumps disproportionately. It's the same as 5.2: she was mediocre before it, then when they removed DFG, they compensated by removing her Charm amp too, and adding Q's homeguard effect. Winrate should have gone down, instead we get 57%, at the time the tenth highest in League history, including Beta, from that one effect. Then came the Gangplank and Fiora reworks, and the advent of Class Updates, and 57% stopped being impressive.

Now it's the same deal: she was underpowered after they removed the speed and added Charm amp back, so they made a couple minor Quality of Life changes to Charm; the increased duration was meant solely to help land Q's return, since players would rather put points into E to help Q than level her underpowered W. Suddenly she's in the upper tiers of Midlane. Could be the nerfs to bruisers, her most hated class, amplifying the issue, but since she actually appeared in pro play for once, expect nerfs to everything except Charm once Rito has a spare team.