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Assassin balance needs some updates

Xavanic··4 votes·466 views

So after a while i decided to consider how assassin balance was going, and gee I honestly feel some need nerfs while others need buffs

Assassin burst combo list All assassins were given level 11 and 10500 gold.....most effective builds atm were used and given the most optimal circumstances to deal damage in a 5 second window (Refresh CDs were disabled) Vi 4997 (subtract 1000ish due to her passive Vs 10k hp target dummy) Camille 3987 J4 3040 Yasuo 4397 Evelynn 2610 (subtract 700ish due to E Vs 10k hp target dummy) Lee sin 3554 Ahri 2613 Rengar 2625 Talon 3361 Zed 3341 Kha'zix 3305 Ekko 2497 Fizz 1721 Pantheon 2600 Katarina 2301 Diana 2243 Kayn 2443 Shaco 3341 Leblanc 1676??

Like holy shit, why is leblancs damage so damn low? Ad itemization is clearly better by this list, but I feel leblanc, Evelynn (possibly fizz) need some buffs, and before i hear, but eves damage looks fine, you have to consider shes using a % damage ability against a 10k hp target....addtionally she lacks the mobility the others have

Will not be doing anything else, as all people can do is shit on me after taking nearly 2 hours to check things out, so yeah....just wanted to go out of my way to prove riot isnt balancing assassins correctly and the fucking hounds come out and just start attacking, love wasting my life for these fucking trolls FYI im not responding to this thread anymore

13 Comments

Gildarzt7 votes

This test is incomplete as fuck.

Why lv 11?. You talk about "most effective builds atm", that means for shaco an attack speed build no? that means most of the damage came from the build, not from the champ. Shaco dont have any damage of his abilities, any otp shaco can tell you what.

And lb takes a bit more time to deal damage beause the chains, or you didnt do right the combo.

If you want to make a true test, make several tests with a true assasin build (not a dps like shaco's one) and change the builds.

For example:

lv3 (all basic abilities available), lv 6 (ult available), lv9 (first basic ability maximice), lv 11 (second point on ultimate), 16 (third point on ultimate) and lv 18.

First make this tests with no item or masteries / runes. Then make it with a true assasin build, then you can do it with the build you think is better for the champ, but take that in consecuence, because a dps build always will do more damage in the time that a burst build (that's why shaco does more damage).

Also play with the window time (1 second or combo), 3 seconds and 5 seconds.

Your results are shit because don't show anything. Really zed does the same burst damage than shaco?, really lb does half less damage than shaco?, really katarina does less damage than shaco?.

I talk about shaco because im otp him and i know that he does not do all that burst damage at lv11 never, never never never. He has no skill damage to do that.

So delete this post and do it properly or just leave it.

Xavanic1 votes

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This test is incomplete as fuck.

Why lv 11?. You talk about "most effective builds atm", that means for shaco an attack speed build no? that means most of the damage came from the build, not from the champ. Shaco dont have any damage of his abilities, any otp shaco can tell you what.

And lb takes a bit more time to deal damage beause the chains, or you didnt do right the combo.

If you want to make a true test, make several tests with a true assasin build (not a dps like shaco's one) and change the builds.

For example:

lv3 (all basic abilities available), lv 6 (ult available), lv9 (first basic ability maximice), lv 11 (second point on ultimate), 16 (third point on ultimate) and lv 18.

First make this tests with no item or masteries / runes. Then make it with a true assasin build, then you can do it with the build you think is better for the champ, but take that in consecuence, because a dps build always will do more damage in the time that a burst build (that's why shaco does more damage).

Also play with the window time (1 second or combo), 3 seconds and 5 seconds.

Your results are shit because don't show anything. Really zed does the same burst damage than shaco?, really lb does half less damage than shaco?, really katarina does less damage than shaco?.

I talk about shaco because im otp him and i know that he does not do all that burst damage at lv11 never, never never never. He has no skill damage to do that.

So delete this post and do it properly or just leave it.

you can do the other tests if you want, i dont have 5 hours to spare rn though All i did was use the most popular build paths for each champ in high elo along with the runes/masteries, and this was from OPTIMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, IE shaco has his clone die and drop all 3 boxes along with his w box, and yeah leblanc no matter what i did, had shit asf dmg, even gave her a full build and she only hit maybe 3k-3500, with how delayed her burst is she isnt evne a viable champ, all im trying to point out is assassins may need to be looked at, as lately alot of my main champs have been getting destroyed by the updates/changes (more importantly, ap itemization, as you can see, no ap champ got into the 3k area

Gildarzt2 votes

then don't post this saying omfg lb doesn't do any damage, buff her and evelin and fizz!!

your results are incomplete this test is not a valid one.

Xavanic1 votes

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then don't post this saying omfg lb doesn't do any damage, buff her and evelin and fizz!!

your results are incomplete this test is not a valid one.

then prove me wrong, and do a full test? Edit: FYI it will never be accurate, the target dummies have 10k hp meaning alot of champs will lack execute damage

Gildarzt2 votes

I dont need to probe anything, i dont think lb or fizz needs a buff, you think it in base on your test, i already prove that your test was incomplete and don't probe a thing.

You are the only one here that has to prove something

Xavanic1 votes

{quoted}

I dont need to probe anything, i dont think lb or fizz needs a buff, you think it in base on your test, i already prove that your test was incomplete and don't probe a thing.

You are the only one here that has to prove something

So you come here and start being an ass to me after i took 2 hours out of my day to do these tests? like ffs, ppl like you are the exact reason i dont take the effort to do a 10 hour test of everything, because then you will simply tell me im an idiot for even trying to do the tests Also, LB needs massive buffs, shes literally the worst assassin in the game rn at all stats, her damage is too slow for how fast adcs kill, and her mobility doesn't cut it

Gildarzt1 votes

I didn't say you are idiot, i said you did a wrong test because don't probe anything.

pd: here, lb positive win-rate with a high pick-rate in diamond

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/es/champions/stats/middle/diamond

so yeah, sure lb needs a huge buff buddy XD

Daddy Ants2 votes

Fizz buffs?

hahahahaha no.

Xavanic1 votes

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Fizz buffs?

hahahahaha no.

Thats why i said possibly, his damage is low, but he does feel alot healthier in his combat potential as an assassin so he probably wont need any, but lb and eve for sure do

Zed genius1 votes

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DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Not every champion has peak effectiveness at level 11. Peak effectiveness varies too much per champion. Akali and Diana, in particular, spike in effectiveness at level 6. And then you have to account for lock on/cc versus just raw damage (someone who has all skill shots and no CC will have to have higher damage than someone with CC and/or lock on abilities)

Xavanic1 votes

{quoted}

Not every champion has peak effectiveness at level 11. Peak effectiveness varies too much per champion. Akali and Diana, in particular, spike in effectiveness at level 6. And then you have to account for lock on/cc versus just raw damage (someone who has all skill shots and no CC will have to have higher damage than someone with CC and/or lock on abilities)

The point im trying to get around though is some assassins need to see some buffs, espcially eve....as she has a legitmately shitty kit...but whenever i point it out i hear, "oh no, shes fine, she has stealth" which while she does, her stealth is about as useful as building lich bane on riven, while it does help, its just not worth it, esp when she has no gap closers

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Eve's in a shit spot right now, true. But she's not unexpectedly bad - after all, most champions are either strong or weak after any rework. She'll likely be receiving buffs with the next patch.

And it doesn't change that mobility and CC aren't accounted for in your damage list, nor does it account for reliability. Which is a big problem.

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