K so can we give Nidalee the Kassadin treatment now

HateDaddy·Feb 25, 2015·96 votes·5,053 views

Let's make her free flash stack up in mana costs

I'm fine with Riot thinking they need to put Kassadin on the shelf for now and come back to him with another approach - let's be honest, that's what they did here. They literally put him in Poppy tier. So why can't we do the same to Nidalee? Nobody likes playing dodge a spear from fog of war. Nobody likes being burdened with trying to engage on a Nidalee comp because lol pounce and resets yay. Honestly, Nidalee has been just as big an issue in competitive play as Kassadin has yet you guys always seem to want to shove her down our throats. Nobody wants to play against this stupid champion.

Please gut her to the point her spears only do 2 damage until you can figure out how to make her design less toxic to play against.

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HateDaddyFeb 25, 201517 votes

Yay downvoted by bronze and silver Nid mains because I'm not spamming "OMG y u not nerf Lee 4 wtf roit"

If you disagree, say something. Don't hide behind downvotes.

1st HanarSpectreFeb 25, 201511 votes

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Yay downvoted by bronze and silver Nid mains because I'm not spamming "OMG y u not nerf Lee 4 wtf roit"

If you disagree, say something. Don't hide behind downvotes.

Your post is exactly the same as the "omg y u not nerf Lee 4 wtf roit" that you try to make fun of. Perspective, friend, learn it.

HateDaddyFeb 25, 20157 votes

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Your post is exactly the same as the "omg y u not nerf Lee 4 wtf roit" that you try to make fun of. Perspective, friend, learn it.

How so? I explained my reasoning. Nidalee is just as much a problem in competitive play as Kassadin has been. She's a flex pick just like he is. Theres only been short durations in competitive play since season 2 where she hasn't been pick or ban, much like Kassadin. Her gameplay is toxic as shit, do I need to explain this? Everything I've stated is backed by facts, the only difference is Kassadin got gutted and Nidalee hasn't.

Are they broken for the same reason? Somewhat yes but not exactly. Riots excuse is "well you can't hide from Kassadin so this is why we did this." Okay, you can't hide from Leblanc. You can't hide from Zed. You can't hide from Lissandra. You can't hide from any mobile champion who goes in, pops you and either becomes invulnerable or simply uses their mobility spell to go back out. Kassadin, unlike many of these champions, exposes himself in melee range with two of his abilities that are absolutely essential to use otherwise his damage isn't that high.

What's the other issue? I'm sure part of it is Kassadin is harder to pin down than others but Nidalee is the exact same. So if we really focus this on their competitive strength, their versatility and their overall power, from those stand points alone, Kassadin and Nidalee can be compared. The other reasons why Kassadin is seen as an issue are abused just as much by any other [insert overly mobile champ here]. It's clear Riot hates Kassadin, I guess I can understand why. But for the life of me, why they're only butchering him and not everything that's abusing the same thing he is abusing is beyond me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I would much rather face Kassadin than go back to dodge a spear Nidalee. I'd much rather face Kassadin, who has fairly weaker wave clear than go back to league of AFK wave clearers. At least you can seige on a Kassadin. I'd much rather deal with Kassadin than go back to league of utility Mage that CCs your team and 100-0s it at the same time. Contrary to what riot thinks, Kassadin has weaknesses and plays much the same way many other assassins do (stays on the back line then looks to clean up). Maybe he's just too good at it? I don't know, I can deal with that. What I'm not looking forward to dealing with is trying to seige on AFK wave clearers. And if Kassadins clean up is too good, just say it and I'd actually be okay with that because quite frankly it might be too good. But don't say you can't run from him, you can't run from half the champions on this roster so that's a terrible reason.

Rip Kassadin The LimpWalker

1st HanarSpectreFeb 25, 20157 votes

I never said I agreed with the Kassadin nerfs, in fact, I do not. That's just how riot does balance though. -Kassadin too strong? Well nerf his Q & E damage and remove silence, we don't want to touch his identidity too much so leave the ult alone. -Still too strong? Well stacks decay much slower now, that way he still has his trademark rift, just not that often. -We still don't like him? Well nerf his ult to shit then. Wait, what's that? Should we rebuff his other ability now that we decided to massively nerf Riftwalk? Nah -Riot 2015.

As far as the rest, your bashing on Nidalee is still the same as the thread you were making fun of. Adding more words to it doesn't change the fact that it's the exact same post content. People make a Lee Sin thread, lists all his ability and how "op" they are, lists his ban/pick % and elaborates a bit on their experience then ask for the champion to be gutted so they are never seen again. So again, how is your thread any different?

Laughing FishFeb 25, 201517 votes

Nobody deserves to be treated the way Kassadin has been. Nobody.

SwiftKitten88Feb 25, 20159 votes

so becuase nidalee can now actaully jungle. with zero damage changes to her skills vs player in 5 months she is op?

you do realize nidalee ganks require a few things.. first off nidalee need to BE in fog of war which mean if get you a spear thrown at you from fog its your own fault for not warding.

second landing a nidalee spear without making yourself visible to the enemy is very hard becuase landing spear generally mean you need to postion yourself at an angle where you can land the spear on the intended target without it hitting minion. AND after that spear land you need to get within pounce range third if the spear does not land you completely failed a gank and did ZERO damage.

not only does nidalee jungle have a high skill cap with landing spears. if you dont land that spear you effectivly did nothing. ZERO damage.

where as almost any other jungle gank can atleats damage or opponent even if you don't get the kill.

stuartk11Feb 25, 20154 votes

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so becuase nidalee can now actaully jungle. with zero damage changes to her skills vs player in 5 months she is op?

you do realize nidalee ganks require a few things.. first off nidalee need to BE in fog of war which mean if get you a spear thrown at you from fog its your own fault for not warding.

second landing a nidalee spear without making yourself visible to the enemy is very hard becuase landing spear generally mean you need to postion yourself at an angle where you can land the spear on the intended target without it hitting minion. AND after that spear land you need to get within pounce range third if the spear does not land you completely failed a gank and did ZERO damage.

not only does nidalee jungle have a high skill cap with landing spears. if you dont land that spear you effectivly did nothing. ZERO damage.

where as almost any other jungle gank can atleats damage or opponent even if you don't get the kill.

Thought I would answer with a few points that just jumped to mind when I read this, and I'm sure you'll have other people replying as well.

Firstly, being in the fog of war as a jungler isn't too difficult. Especially when you consider the range on her spears. Warding helps, but you need to ward the same distance as a post-6 Rengar, only this time it's at level 2, and a pink ain't gonna save you. Nidalee has less CC though to lock you down, so there's that at least.

Secondly, if you can't land a Nidalee spear from the fog of war, then it usually means that your ganking choices were sub-par (such as doing so when the opponent's next minion waves were coming in, or diving near their turret at early ranks). If they are in their minions, then don't gank from near your side of the lane.

Third points carries a descent point, although a lot of the other really powerful junglers do have the same requirements.

Nidalee jungle, however, has very little in the way of a "skill cap". Most of the time, it's wait for a spear to land (or a team-mate's hard CC), then go cougar and mash keyboard. You can still deal pretty good damage without landing a spear, since you can still cougar and pounce in anyways. You have the long range poke and the bruiser potential, so you should use it.

SwiftKitten88Feb 25, 20154 votes

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Thought I would answer with a few points that just jumped to mind when I read this, and I'm sure you'll have other people replying as well.

Firstly, being in the fog of war as a jungler isn't too difficult. Especially when you consider the range on her spears. Warding helps, but you need to ward the same distance as a post-6 Rengar, only this time it's at level 2, and a pink ain't gonna save you. Nidalee has less CC though to lock you down, so there's that at least.

Secondly, if you can't land a Nidalee spear from the fog of war, then it usually means that your ganking choices were sub-par (such as doing so when the opponent's next minion waves were coming in, or diving near their turret at early ranks). If they are in their minions, then don't gank from near your side of the lane.

Third points carries a descent point, although a lot of the other really powerful junglers do have the same requirements.

Nidalee jungle, however, has very little in the way of a "skill cap". Most of the time, it's wait for a spear to land (or a team-mate's hard CC), then go cougar and mash keyboard. You can still deal pretty good damage without landing a spear, since you can still cougar and pounce in anyways. You have the long range poke and the bruiser potential, so you should use it.

well obviously thier team team hasn't warded at all and is pushed far to your team tower its going to be easy gank. but in that scenario almost anyone can gank succesfully.

sure of your teammate can land a stun then its easy to spear a stationary target but again ANY jungler has an easy time ganking when they come in when thier target gets stunned.

i dont see how nidalee has any advantage over any other junglers. in fact even though i MAIN nidalee i choose to jungle reksai becuase i feel he is much better at it.

as jungle nid having your own blue buff is absolutely necessary which mean your mid laner never gets it. and likewise the reason why you need blue buff is mana. which reksai donest need to worry about.

reksai ganks usally mean i burrow to my target and knock them up genenrally meaning i kill them or they need to flash away. no skillshot involved

reksai is much tankier late game and can easily enage on an enemy team wher as nidalee cant really go in in a teamfight unless its to take down people who are low or very squishy.

and to top it all off...

nidalee is COUNTERED by most other junglers (and by saying that i mean in a 1v1 fight vs them she is going to lose)

Vi will always beat nid in a 1v1 duel unless nid has a HUGE gold lead over her. reksai can easily taken down a squishy nidalee

most AD tanky bruisers can easily defeat nidalee

the one common jungler nidalee does ok again't in the jungle is J4 and that only because she can pounce over his ulti's wall

and you say you can pounce in for a gank without landing a spear. if your taking about a normal pounce yes, you certaily cant do the long range pounce unless they are hunted and likewise unless they are hunted your pounce wont get reset when poucing to (or rather near) them.

also nidalee has ZERO CC unlike most junglers. and unless the CC comes from what ever lane your ganking its quite easy for them to make it back to thier tower. (unless of course they push way to far in which case its thier own fault for pushing that far without ward coverage.

yes im a nidalee main. but even so like i said i choose NOT to jungle with her when reksai is open becuase even though she is viable she frankly isn't as good as reksai at it. which no one seems to be complaining about anymore.

and again as its been stated. nidalee hasn't changed in 5 months. she can now deal more damage to jungle creep allowing her to jungle. this has ZERO impact in the damage she does vs players.

the only differernce is nidalee can finally do what she should have been able to do since her release.. jungle. becuase lets face it.. she is FROM the freaking jungle. the fact that it took them this long to make her viable in the jungle is what amazes me.

as my closing argument im going to say this. nidalee has been the same for 5 months. if you really think she is now "OP" vs yourself and other players becuase her damage vs jungle minions has increase with absolutely no changes to anything else. then what are you really complaining about?

her damage HAS NOT CHANGED, it hasn't in 5 months.

your trying to tell me they need to nerf the damage of a skill. or the range of a skill or ANYTHING. becuase why?

any argument that calls a nerf for an overall nerf to a skill becuase the skill does more damage to JUNGLE mobs, has no basis for argument.

(unless your a jungle mob... then you can complain...)

DyonasFeb 26, 20152 votes

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and again as its been stated. nidalee hasn't changed in 5 months. she can now deal more damage to jungle creep allowing her to jungle. this has ZERO impact in the damage she does vs players.

the only differernce is nidalee can finally do what she should have been able to do since her release.. jungle. becuase lets face it.. she is FROM the freaking jungle. the fact that it took them this long to make her viable in the jungle is what amazes me.

as my closing argument im going to say this. nidalee has been the same for 5 months. if you really think she is now "OP" vs yourself and other players becuase her damage vs jungle minions has increase with absolutely no changes to anything else. then what are you really complaining about?

her damage HAS NOT CHANGED, it hasn't in 5 months.

your trying to tell me they need to nerf the damage of a skill. or the range of a skill or ANYTHING. becuase why?

any argument that calls a nerf for an overall nerf to a skill becuase the skill does more damage to JUNGLE mobs, has no basis for argument.

(unless your a jungle mob... then you can complain...)

The funny thing is Kassadin didn't change but they gave him -10 to his Q. Then the 450 ult. All the previous nerfs too. The only change was to make him weaker and weaker yet they still pushed through this ludicrous ult change. You say Nidalee hasn't changed in 5 months but the same is said of a lot of champions. You're safe though. They'll nerf Kassadin again before anything happens to Nidalee.

Before this last change people were saying it isn't necessary (those with somewhat sensible views, like Scarra) and the only thing that has changed is he was used as a flex pick. His power got weaker but because he could play in a few positions now that was reason enough. Nidalee used to be top and now she's gone jungle so that's two positions. She could easily be lined up for nerfs but again, not Kassadin so you're likely safe for a while.

SwiftKitten88Feb 26, 20151 votes

first off your wrong in a few things... nidalee was never only top. infact the only time i ever played her top was after the rework but before the AD nerfs.. almost every top lane tanky bruiser counters her top lane. picking her top in the current meta is in her current state is almost asking to lose unless the pick one of the few top laners she can beat like Vladimir Gangplank Nasus

nidalee right now is a mid lane assasin who can as of her most recent patch jungle as well.

as for the lastest nerf to kassadin... yeah thi nerf his ulti range.. not sure if it was needed, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.. but at lvl 16 it had a 3 second cooldown. so i would have to say a 700 mobilty range skill on a 3 second cooldown is pretty strong. for any character. and they lowered the mana cost of it.

DyonasFeb 26, 20151 votes

I didn't say she was only top. I said she was top before moving to jungle recently. Yes she may have gone in other lanes but people like C9's Balls used her top and that's why I mentioned it. Talking about top level play, not solo queue.

Yes he had a 700 range dash on a roughly 3 second cooldown but, and this is hard for a lot of people to believe, plenty of champions could escape. Lack of vision? You Rift Walk the wrong way out of two and they get away. You can't chase endlessly because of the mana cost and if you don't have vision it's just asking for death. It doesn't make it an instant win button as so many believe either. There are plenty of other champions that can chase you down but he was the best at it in some situations.

Something else I seem to be saying a lot. Just because he could chase someone down and do some decent damage late game or when fed hard doesn't mean he's overpowered. ADCs can kill you in 3 basic attacks if you're not a tank and even tanks die pretty fast. All Kassadin had was his ability to wear you down or finish off a kill and now he doesn't even have that.

Wînter FoxFeb 25, 20156 votes

Nope.

HateDaddyFeb 25, 201516 votes

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Nope.

Oh my what a well thought out argument with several bullet points that address this issue at its core!

Wînter FoxFeb 25, 20158 votes

Being frustrated with the Kassadin nerfs
is no reason to
take it out on Nidalee

HateDaddyFeb 25, 201515 votes

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Being frustrated with the Kassadin nerfs

is no reason to

take it out on Nidalee

Why not? Nidalee is just as toxic and gamebreaking as Kassadin was in competitive play, yet riot seems to always let her go for months. Then for the short time she isn't played, they find another way to introduce her to us.

ThefriendlyorcFeb 25, 20156 votes

She's even a monster in the jungle, can invade from a million different angles, insta execute jungle mobs/jungler if she catches them in the early stages of the first clear. She's the new shaco, with better poke/sustain/clear.

Kuroi86Feb 26, 20151 votes

Except that execute requires you to already be near death, which often points to either the jungler doing something wrong or the jungle champ needing something.

The damage is increased by 1.5% for every 1% of the target's missing health, for a maximum of 150% bonus damage (250% total damage).

Base Magic Damage: 4 / 20 / 50 / 90 (+75% AD) (+36% AP)

Maximum Damage: 10 / 50 / 125 / 225 (+187.5% AD) (+90% AP)

If the target is marked as Hunted, Takedown deals 33% increased damage.

Hunt Maximum Damage: 13 / 67 / 167 / 300 (+250% AD) (+120% AP)

FYI, that hung maximum damage, that requires you to have the hunt proc on you while being below 5% health.

Her 750 range pounce also requires the hunt proc.

Another thing is that her poke and sustain eat away at her mana, if she is trying to poke and sustain a lot, then she will quickly run oom unless she has a lot of mana regen and blue buff.

ThefriendlyorcFeb 26, 20151 votes

Requires you to already be near death. If you're jungling on not one of the top tier god jung then in your first clear she will find you. She's effectively a shaco who can actually do stuff past level 11. And oom? Lol wat. I've never seen a nid, let alone a jingle nid, go oom. Half her kit doesn't cost mana.

Kuroi86Feb 26, 20151 votes

Outside of Evelynn I've honestly not had an issue with getting below half on my first clear. And no, I don't use the main four junglers.

Nid mana 1-18 296 – 1061 Mana regen 1-18 6.0 – 19.6 Spell costs as human Q (Javelin) 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 W (Trap) 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 E (Heal) 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120

Proccing her hunt costs mana, sustaining costs mana. A TON of her damage means proccing hunt which costs mana.

ThefriendlyorcFeb 27, 20151 votes

Dude those mana costs aren't even that bad. You wanna take a look at some of fiddles mana costs? The only one that is even bad is her heal and by the time it is maxed it doesn't matter it's cost. Honestly the power of her kit early is getting 6 abilities before people even have 3, base steroids for landing a trap or a spear, free jungle mob roots and built in sustain/mobility. Her clear, poke, counter jungling and 'poke ganks'are all really strong.

Kuroi86Feb 27, 20151 votes

Fiddles mana costs are more than understandable gating for the amount of damage he can output. Another thing to consider is that Nid needs AD for her execute to be of use, but requires AP for the rest of her kit to be useful. (The base healing on her heal is meh at best.) She has a good kit, but calling her a monster with free sustain and poke is incorrect. Nid HAS to get ahead, the jungle is likely the last place where you're going to get ahead, even with Nid.

ThefriendlyorcFeb 27, 20151 votes

Lich bane. Execution problems solved. Mana problems solved. Fiddle is only good at cc and dealing damage if the enemy stays in one area. Nid deals damage to anyone within her large area of control and is nearly never out of position due to the nature of her kit. Even if you DO catch her by surprise, the amount of get out of jail free cards she has, coupled with her damage is overwhelming for many who don't even have a single dash.

Kuroi86Feb 27, 20151 votes

Yay, you've figured out how to help the mid game of an AP champ, granted you still delay her big damage, unless you're willing to sit on a machete for half the match. But even then her damage is going to be meh until she gets her first large rod.

ThefriendlyorcFeb 27, 20151 votes

You're just not realizing the early game power she has with having more abilities, mobility and built in ward control. She clears the jungle insanely fast, can roam into any lane and similarly jungle. Is she the best jungler? No, but she's damn near close to the top with a toxic as hell kit. The base AP from the jungle upgrade item will help her 'terrible damage' as you put it as well.

AuryielFeb 25, 20153 votes

You said that like your post was any better

A Miss FortuneFeb 25, 20155 votes

Nidalee spears can one shot you late game?

Better nerf Sona.

SpagootGGFeb 26, 20151 votes

used to one hit people they will 1 hit the occasional adc thats been afk for 10 mins or a super perma shitty ahri (faced one the other day) evn then i never really 1 hit her

Neil is CanadaFeb 26, 20151 votes

Nidalee spears use to 1 hit people even at a short distance. You now actually need to hit a spear at full distance for it to chunk anyone. AKA It's easier to dodge them now.

khmaricanFeb 25, 20155 votes

While I agree that Nidalee is very strong right now, I don't think she needs to be gutted by any means.

It's true that Pounce has no mana cost. However, as an escape, Pounce has a lower range than Riftwalk. While 75 range doesn't seem like much, it greatly limits wall-jumping. Admittedly, as an engage tool, Pounce has a longer range, but it already had that before the Kassadin nerf. Additionally, Pounce does less damage than Riftwalk.
Nidalee's spears can be dodged. This does not make them weak. I am not making that claim. However, this means that it is possible to avoid some of Nidalee's damage, especially considering that the width was nerfed a while back. Meanwhile, Kassadin's Null Sphere is targeted and gives him a magic damage shield.
Nidalee's passive gives her movement speed until she triggers a hunt, at which point ONE of her abilities gets bonus damage against ONE target. Compare this to a free 15% magic damage reduction and no unit collision.
Nidalee has no CC except her root, which is against monsters only.
Nidalee is squishy (with her current build path), while Kassadin builds a RoA early (and the previously mentioned free magic damage reduction).
Nidalee has received exactly 2 changes in the past few patches. One allowed her to hunt monsters. The other was a bugfix (technically a nerf) which prevented her from resetting cooldowns except in the 2 cases where it's supposed to happen (Hunting a target, and pouncing said hunted target)

SwiftKitten88Feb 25, 20154 votes

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Let's make her free flash stack up in mana costs

Please gut her to the point her spears only do 2 damage until you can figure out how to make her design less toxic to play against.

the free flash that only lets you flash *towards *target after you * land a skillshot *on them? or is there a different free flash your referring to?

and the 2nd balance argument clearly is well thought out as well

DyonasFeb 25, 20153 votes

To the Nidalee defenders I will just say this. Kassadin was trashed because he became a relatively safe flex pick just as Nidalee has become in the jungle now. If you make it two more patches without a nerf expect it soon after because you're not allowed to have a flex pick with high damage and mobility or even high mobility and mediocre damage. Unless you're Lee Sin of course.

Lissandra was 100% win rate. Kassadin is barely 50% and wasn't even 100% pick or ban with a ban rate LOWER than Lissandra and others. It didn't stop Riot from trashing him.

HateDaddyFeb 25, 20153 votes

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To the Nidalee defenders I will just say this. Kassadin was trashed because he became a relatively safe flex pick just as Nidalee has become in the jungle now. If you make it two more patches without a nerf expect it soon after because you're not allowed to have a flex pick with high damage and mobility or even high mobility and mediocre damage. Unless you're Lee Sin of course.

Lissandra was 100% win rate. Kassadin is barely 50% and wasn't even 100% pick or ban with a ban rate LOWER than Lissandra and others. It didn't stop Riot from trashing him.

Bro bronze and silvers told me Lissandra is trash and does no damage and she's weak in lane. I dunno, maybe those bronze and silvers know everything!

DyonasFeb 25, 20151 votes

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Bro bronze and silvers told me Lissandra is trash and does no damage and she's weak in lane. I dunno, maybe those bronze and silvers know everything!

I'm bronze, at least until I can be fully bothered with ranked. I know how painful Lissandra is but a lot of people think the real scary champions are Master Yi, Udyr, Tryndamere etc. I may not have the best skills mechanically but I know the game. I'd hate to see how people that think Lissandra is trash would handle a really good Riven.

test accountFeb 25, 20152 votes

They'd complain in /all about how Riven takes no skill, and maybe come to the forums to start spamming threads about it.

lojicianFeb 25, 20153 votes

Lissandra is ghostcrawler's waifu. Broken ranged top ice mage. That's why she wasn't nerfed.

Kitten of EvilFeb 26, 20151 votes

I wish my main ranged ice mage could get some of the same love :( Anivia

Only Play DariusFeb 25, 20153 votes

Don't you dare refer to poppy tier like that again.

Yes I will admit her early game is pure trash, that's why you take her jungling so you can bypass that nonsense and get straight to her late game DPS tank build (like Irelia, triforce + bork + full tank items = should have ended the game sooner).

I don't seem to ever remember Kassadin winning 1v4's late game.

But I am opposed to these Kassadin nerfs, the last two patches are the most severe gutting of a champ I have ever personally witnessed.

I mean Vi is my main jungler and even I will admit that its unfair that someone who is that tanky AND that high-damage gets a 10 second wallhop. At least kassadin was squishy enough that you could kill him before he even got the chance to turn around and get anywhere near the wall, not to mention it took up his ult slot and has exponentially increasing mana costs.

BakedLotionFeb 25, 20152 votes

Just pink ward the spears they said. Just dodge the spears they said... Die anyways cause she pounces at u from 5165 miles away and hits u with a 2k dmg q lmao

Imperial JapanFeb 26, 20151 votes

She can't do that without q'ing you first idiot

BakedLotionFeb 26, 20152 votes

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She can't do that without q'ing you first idiot

Traps in the bushes, traps in the jungle routes, traps all over the lane.. Hmm

Kitten of EvilFeb 26, 20152 votes

Kassadin at least has to pay for his mobility with SOMETHING. Mana. Nidalee's mobility is literally free, and is on a 3-4 second cooldown.

Subject 5Feb 25, 20151 votes

Why not just give her mana costs per cougar ability? Stacking is just silly, there is honestly no reason not to mention she is a high risk high reward champion. She goes in after landing a spear that can be . . . dodged, yes i think that is the word to use. Anyways, this word 'dodged' is used for skill shots that have a tendency to be long ranged and require skill to land, unless if you want the champion roster to be even less than what it is don't make her mana stack per jump. Concluding that you are platinum you must see some relation between long skill shots and how they have power spikes with the length.

Making mana effect her cougar form puts limits on her build rather straight damage, people already build mana on her and this is already a gate people need to overcome. I also would like to make a suggestion for you, play champions that are not completely countered by mobility and Nidalee? I mean you have like a champion roster of 5 champions, and one of these champions are actually capable of killing Nidalee even when she is underfed. I would say your Hecarim but hey, i said kill and running with a 15 second CDR for 5 seconds won't allow you to chase Nidalee.

SwiftKitten88Feb 25, 20154 votes

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Why not just give her mana costs per cougar ability? Stacking is just silly, there is honestly no reason not to mention she is a high risk high reward champion. She goes in after landing a spear that can be . . . dodged, yes i think that is the word to use. Anyways, this word 'dodged' is used for skill shots that have a tendency to be long ranged and require skill to land, unless if you want the champion roster to be even less than what it is don't make her mana stack per jump. Concluding that you are platinum you must see some relation between long skill shots and how they have power spikes with the length.

Making mana effect her cougar form puts limits on her build rather straight damage, people already build mana on her and this is already a gate people need to overcome. I also would like to make a suggestion for you, play champions that are not completely countered by mobility and Nidalee? I mean you have like a champion roster of 5 champions, and one of these champions are actually capable of killing Nidalee even when she is underfed. I would say your Hecarim but hey, i said kill and running with a 15 second CDR for 5 seconds won't allow you to chase Nidalee.

well actaulyl chogath beats nidalee too becuase of the silence (which comepltely screw over nid) and how freaking tanky he is

but the point is still there.. if your picking champs that counter by nida and then complain that you got countered then.. duh? play a different champ?

want me to make a HUGE list of champs that beat nidalee?

Fiora Riven Ahri Darius Diana DrMundo Olaf Volibear LeeSin Pantheon XinZhao Renekton Jayce Nocturne MonkeyKing Galio Garen Hecarim Chogath

seesh pick one... EDIT: can't believe i forgot Zed ... but then again he counters *everyone *so seeing him here as well inst that surprising

Jungle Lux GodFeb 25, 20151 votes

Nidalee doesn't have a flash on a 3 second cooldown (although pounce does get pretty close to it).

She doesn't need a stacking mana cost on Pounce. She just needs mana costs in general on her cougar abilities.

SwiftKitten88Feb 26, 20151 votes

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Nidalee doesn't have a flash on a 3 second cooldown (although pounce does get pretty close to it).

She doesn't need a stacking mana cost on Pounce. She just needs mana costs in general on her cougar abilities.

i i can tell that you never play nidalee based on that statment.. becuase after the nerf to her AD raito attack speed and attack damage is is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to CS with her in human form. you guys also dont relaise that nidale CAN NOT spam spears at you. she is VERY mana hungry. unless they are guzzling mana pots or have TWO mana regen items missing 2 or 3 speras really hurts your mana pool. getting doron rings and CSing in cougar form helps.

but if you try to ad mana costs to her cuogar from she will literally have ZERO way to CS effetivly wihout spendng 5k gold on mana items.

im tired of people saying she can spam spear.. thats just plain wrong... she cant she isnt zed.. she uses mana and nidalee like all other mana champs got hit really hard by the mana regen nerf and the 2 huge nerfs to the only really useable mana items

Jungle Lux GodFeb 26, 20152 votes

Of course, that doesn't include the fact that Nidalee can spam Cougar form spells all day, since none of them have a mana cost.

The mana costs don't need to be that big (except maybe takedown, because that is way to ridiculous of an execution tool). Just big enough that Nidalee will only get hurt by it if she spams it all day.

Also, I didn't say she could spam her spear, and obviously she cannot spam her spear due to mana concerns.

GoodOlAlexFeb 26, 20151 votes

Nidalee is currently the absolute best jungler you could possibly pick right now. It's not all opinion, if you observe her kit it is literal fact. She can clear jungle camps in a matter of seconds due to her swipe and execute in cougar form, and then when she's finished can heal herself back to full health and gank a lane. Usually the decision many junglers had to make when choosing their champion was either ganking power or farming power, and Nidalee is so strong because she's arguably the best at both. Her kit is just too overloaded for the amount of damage she does. In my last Nidalee jungle game, I managed to kill a 3250 health Shen with 117 magic resistance with one combo. She gets a huge long range missle that completely destroys your health, then finishes you off with an incredibly overbearing execute. She's just too strong, which is why many other junglers aren't picked anymore. There are simply better options available.

HelpfulYordleFeb 26, 20151 votes

Her kit is just stupidly overloaded. Biggest offender is her heal. Why does an assassin fighter need a heal that can heal her and her teammates and give a 7 sec 60% attack speed buff at max lvl. If she has to have a heal make it so it can only heal her. Nidalee is amazing at sieging and long poke engagements. It is obnoxious that she gets to heal her team as well as herself during these engagements in the back lines with zero risk and a great AP ratio on her heal.

Waning GibbousFeb 26, 20151 votes

Kassadin is still moderately balanced if you play him well. Here's m list of who is OP and why AD Fizz AP/AD Nidalee Leona Graves Lulu (if played decently at all)

Maxxe22Feb 27, 20151 votes

Ok I see no ones point. Sure I was rather upset that with my blitzcrank with runes and masteries were 100% ment for tank and then some utility compansation to keep up as support yet once me, cait, vs lux, nid. Somehow with me building face of the mountain at and omens at lvl 6 she threw her spear at me, which i couldn't dodge at this point even though i saw it, it hits me trying to block my ADC while i had full HP and Lux just ults and it kills us both. Obviously I'm upset but I never thought she was OP, just that it was a nice combo. Of course after only 1 kill though and it being given to lux here is where I call BS. Nid tower dived me and my Cait and was able to kill us by herself with no lux around while we both had half HP and she escapes with most of hers. IM A TANK, HTF DID THAT HAPPEN?

Only reason I came here was cause I wanted to know if the update caused this but seems it has been happening and I just happened to find a smurf. A crap smurf at that since I just lost 4-5 games thanks to afk ADC's since they didn't know if I kill a minion with face of the mountain then we both get the gold and exp. Seriously its just a few minions and your getting full pay off it. WTF. I think all ADC's should be nerfed just to show them how the abusive relationship of sup and ADC is supposed to go.