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Things I would like to see happen (but I know they likely won't)

SnugglePuggle94··4 votes·686 views

Zed R changed from 120/100/80 CD up to 90/110/130 OR his 0.5 second switch upped to 1 second.

Yasuo's shield or windwall removed from his toxic overloaded kit.

Nami's W changed from 70/85/100/115/130 mana to 60/80/95/110/125 or something along those lines.

Zyra's E root duration changed from 0.75/1/1.25/1.5/1.75 seconds to 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 seconds, but to trade off for the added root- increase CD from 12 to 15 seconds or increase the mana cost by 5 or 10 ranks per level.

item 3157 removal of CDR and up to 80 AP and 50 Armor, active CD decreased from 120 to 100, cost increased from 2900 to 3000.

Karma reworked into something more than just a Mantra bot- give her shield bomb back or something.

And last but not least, give the damn AP itemization some love- more AP and less CDR options. And more cool items with different actives like you always seem to give the AD side (looking at you, Riot!)

Well that's what I would love to see happen in the game but to be honest I know Riot will never likely incorporate them. What are some of your ideas that you would love Riot to incorporate into the game?

EDIT: Seriously people, stop getting on your smurfs and constantly downvoting my comments. It's rude and mean to do that just because I have opinions of my own. I got three downvotes on one comment I had posted in about two minutes. That screams of people and smurfs. Stop it. Learn to argue nicely without downvoting me to oblivion. Thanks.

35 Comments

datfatguy3 votes

Why the f*ck do you want to nerf Zed...

SnugglePuggle943 votes

Because he's way too strong and frustrating to play against.

datfatguy4 votes

Way too strong? He is one of the worst mid laners at the moment. Getting owned by a Zed who is just better than you doesn't mean OP.

SnugglePuggle944 votes
  1. "one of the worst mid laners" doesn't apply to how strong he is at the moment. He's still strong even if his winrate sucks- and his winrate sucks because he's not good in teamfights and/or people don't know how to play him.

and

  1. "getting owned by a Zed who is just better than you" is downright mean. If you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all.
datfatguy2 votes

It's not only his winrate that sucks. If you look at champion.gg his overall stats are some of the worst for all mid laners. Take a look. If you out them all together, it makes a shitty mid laner.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

He's still strong and way too frustrating to play against. I don't care about his "overall stats." He still needs nerfs.

datfatguy4 votes

If you've never played Zed, try him now. You will most likely be useless in lane and then become useless late game. Removing the bonus AD from his W and somewhat implementing it into his ultimate basically nerfed him, because this gives him less bonus AD. Riot basically nerfed his early and late game because he has less total AD. Also, with all these ADC's being really strong late game, such as Caitlyn, or Vayne, it makes it harder for him to one shot the carry late game because of lifesteal or just getting killed yourself really quickly. A good Zed player can sometimes dominate games. A bad Zed player will most likely make the enemy mid laner go 15/0 in 10 minutes. Frustrating doesn't always mean broken.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

I have played him and I don't like him. I stick to my AP champions. "It makes it harder for him to one shot the carry" well HA NOPE I played against one of them today as ADC and he one shotted me in seconds.

"Frustrating doesn't always mean broken" Well yeah what about all the QQ threads about Yasuo, huh? Most of them if not all are QQing about how frustrating he is, and the rest are actually spot on about how broken he is.

Doesn't matter, he still needs nerfs in my opinion. Think whatever you want but don't bash people for what they think or how they play.

Yaśuo Main4 votes

well your opinion doesn't make sense so you shouldn't shove it in anyone's face

and the weird part is you play AP mid laners, you should be making zed ur pet compared to LB and Fizz (i think so atleast)

you legit either play garbage mages or just want a zed nerf for the fuckery of his mains

edit: wtf kind of nerf do you want anyway, because it cant be on his stats or he'll get aatrox'd

and the one you presented is either gonna do nothing or gimp zed so hard you'll feel sorry for him

SnugglePuggle943 votes

Ahem-

1)I'm a support main in ranked, but then in normals I play AP mid laners, who still Zed can shit on. 2) I want a zed nerf because he needs it. 3) I either want his ult CD nerfed or his switch positions duration nerfed. 4) Nah, if it gimps him I would laugh in his face and feel pleased because he deserves to be in the dumpster tier.

Yaśuo Main4 votes

welp i have lost all sympathy for you on the last one so now i really don't give a shit

ill be thinking of you whenever an assassin kills a support

(whats ironic is that zed has more chances of getting a small buff than any kind of nerf lol)

SnugglePuggle943 votes

Think whatever you want. He still needs nerfs and I don't see him getting buffs anytime soon.

And I'll be thinking of you and start laughing my ass out when he finally does get nerfs he deserves.

MissingKayo3 votes

Oh boy, another shitpost.

Catastrop3 votes

That Zhonya's change is really the only one I want....and maybe a Karma rework but I really don't trust Riot with that at this point, no offense to Riot. The rest I have no opinion on because I don't care about them.

MysticDreams122 votes

All you people downvoting, stop that. That's not nice. The guy wanted to create a friendly discussion among players and you are bashing him by downvoting his comments, just because he hates a certain champion.

MissingKayo3 votes

It's not discussion at all. It's pure salt or stupidity sprouting from his own ignorance.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

That is just false. I asked for people to talk about what they wanted to see in the game- therefore asking for discussion. Not for people to bash me for what I believe in.

I'm not ignorant or stupid. Yes I might be salty because I still fucking hate Zed with every fiber of my being but my opinions are my own and you all shouldn't be bashing me for it. It's very unsportsmanlike of all of you.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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All you people downvoting, stop that. That's not nice. The guy wanted to create a friendly discussion among players and you are bashing him by downvoting his comments, just because he hates a certain champion.

Why wouldn't we downvote a garbage post by a bad poster?

SnugglePuggle941 votes

And you are a mean troll. I remember you. You attack others for their opinions to make yourself feel better. Get out of here.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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And you are a mean troll. I remember you. You attack others for their opinions to make yourself feel better. Get out of here.

I accept your concession, even if you gave it in the most craven way possible. At least respond to my points before you offer it.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

You aren't worth responding too.

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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Zed R changed from 120/100/80 CD up to 90/110/130 OR his 0.5 second switch upped to 1 second.

Zed is not overpowered right now. He is not even good. He is a below average mid lane pick, not quite as shit-tier as Azir, but definitely below par.

Every statistic shows this, as has been pointed out to you in this thread. There are actual statistics that demonstrate that Zed is performing poorly right now, but you dismiss them, why? Because you feel like it?

Why should anyone take the dumb shit you say seriously? You have done nothing to validate your claims, and respond to reason with "Zed is still strong and needs nerfs".

This isn't an argument. Stop posting.

Yasuo's shield or windwall removed from his toxic overloaded kit.

Neither will happen. Though he will be nerfed because bad players like yourself feed him and give him free wins (sort of the same reason Zed was constantly nerfed actually), he will certainly not have a part of his kit removed with no compensation.

By the way, you want his wind wall completely removed with no compensation? What will his W do then? Nothing? Will he be the only champion in the game with no ability on his W? It's just blank?

Nami's W changed from 70/85/100/115/130 mana to 60/80/95/110/125 or something along those lines.

Nami doesn't need a buff lol what the fuck. She's a great support. Does she need nerfs? Not really, but she doesn't need a buff either.

Zyra's E root duration changed from 0.75/1/1.25/1.5/1.75 seconds to 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 seconds, but to trade off for the added root- increase CD from 12 to 15 seconds or increase the mana cost by 5 or 10 ranks per level.

I'm honestly not sure why you'd even want this change. Adding an extra .25 seconds onto the root in exchange for increasing the cooldown would actually be a nerf. The root of the ability isn't all that's important. You also use the E to do cool shit with your plants. So sure, the amount of rooting time might ultimately average out the same, but the amount of times you can put vine lashers on the field would be decreased.

item 3157 removal of CDR and up to 80 AP and 50 Armor, active CD decreased from 120 to 100, cost increased from 2900 to 3000.

Zhonya's is fine. It's no longer OP bullshit that's mandatory on every mage. The item with the single best defensive active or passive in team fights should not also have high stats.

Karma reworked into something more than just a Mantra bot- give her shield bomb back or something.

I have no strong feelings one way or the other on this matter.

And last but not least, give the damn AP itemization some love- more AP and less CDR options. And more cool items with different actives like you always seem to give the AD side (looking at you, Riot!)

Mages are already dominating mid lane, support has far more meta AP champions than it does meta AD champions (which is to say that meta AP supports exist), top lane has a fairly diverse mix of AD and AP champions, and while AP champs aren't doing amazing in the jungle they do exist.

AP doesn't need help.

Well that's what I would love to see happen in the game but to be honest I know Riot will never likely incorporate them. What are some of your ideas that you would love Riot to incorporate into the game?

I'd like Riot to finally stop balancing the game around shitter elos and to focus only on players high diamond or better.

nm10101 votes

This has been

Balance Discussion: A Silver 5 Support Main Story

"Nerf assassins, buff supports HEHE XD"

SnugglePuggle942 votes
  1. Karma isn't a support

and 2) I say yes that's still what I want. They need it

nm10101 votes

  1. https://i.gyazo.com/d5105a82b2761b835c3d549aea846702.png

  2. You are asking for zed with under a 47% winrate to be nerfed. Yasuo does need nerfs, but suggesting removals of entire aspects of his kit is just silly. You then ask for buffs for 2 of the stronger supports at the moment, while wanting weird zhonyas changes (that I can only assume you don't actually have a plan behind, you just want higher stats and lower cd). Karma is one of the strongest competitive supports at the moment so she might get some sort of small rework, but I highly doubt it.

SnugglePuggle942 votes
  1. Karma was a MID LANE MAGE first before she was pushed into the support role by Riot so I still consider her a mid laner.
  2. Fuck the win rates. I don't care about them. He still needs nerfs.
  3. He needs removals of parts of his kit to make him more healthy.
  4. I'm a support main, those are just changes I would like to see happen.
  5. Zhonya's has been a shit item ever since the changes, and since we have so many options of CDR now it doesn't need any.
  6. Karma has no identity really and needs more to do than just spam RQ or RE. People have been asking for reworks and Riot hasn't been answering.
nm10101 votes

  1. They don't care what you think, they proved that when they pushed zyra even further into the support role even though people wanted her mid lane iteration to be the focus of the MYMU.

  2. Why? Do you still manage to lose games to a weak champion and that upsets you?

  3. He needs changes, removing core aspects out of the blue would infuriate people who play him. There is a few well thought out ideas already mentioned such as removing the flow generated from ulting and making wind wall cost flow. Both of those are much healthier nerfs.

  4. And I would want Malzahar tanky voidlings back along with a buff to mid lane Morgana, I still know that neither of those are going to happen.

  5. It is a niche item, niche does not mean shit. For example if you are vs Zed middle you will find being able to entirely negate his ult very useful and worth the gold. If you are against cassieopeia it obviously won't be as attractive due to the weight on the active to be gold efficent.

  6. As long as she is competitively strong the odds of a rework are pretty low, though again I agree she does deserve some sort of change instead of being a r e spam support.

SnugglePuggle942 votes
  1. I know that.
  2. Because I hate dying to a strong as fuck champion who has little to no counterplay. And I don't believe in winrates being the major factor in if a champ is "op" or "trash".
  3. I like those changes too but I would still like one of them removed. He has too much in his kit.
  4. Yeah like if you read my title these are changes I want to happen but know Riot won't do it.
  5. The item is still shit because you use it once to save yourself? That's great, now Zed can ult you twice in the timespan that it's down because he has a lower CD than the active does! And it's still crappy because the stats have been nerfed twice over now.
  6. Finally something we agree on.
nm10101 votes

  1. What do you think indicates whether a champ is strong or not then? Zed manages to fail at everything except being picked or banned and getting kills (The entire point of his kit). He doesn't do a lot of overall damage, he dies a lot himself, and he brings almost no utility to the team.

  2. The only time that is really true is late game and are you saying you are going to be out of position twice in 120 seconds? Shoot if he dies going in the first time you have almost 60 seconds just on him respawning. The stats were nerfed twice because it was a rush item in almost every other game and you lost almost nothing for getting it (still had large ap and you got big defensive stats/active).

SnugglePuggle942 votes

  1. By playing against them and seeing how they are against me I know if a champ is strong, stupidly broken, average or trash. Zed does A LOT of damage, barely dies until team fight phase since he gets a get out of jail free card ult, and yes his team fighting capabilities are shit but he still frustrates single players to no end.

  2. One, he won't die unless you have fast reactions to CC him after he lands from his ult, and then he has flash too. So if you Zhonya his ult, he flies away by pressing R, and you possibly using flash too to escape extra damage, then you have 120 seconds of him being able to attack whenever he wants on top of you having no escapes and using your only CC (if its on your ult that is). The item was nerfed because of Zed/Yasuo mains crying about it mostly, and a tiny bit of it being because of its stats. But to have it nerfed twice over is just bias from Riot because they always cater to the AD side, and that's a fact. Now this item is not even worth the gold you pay for it or the stats.

Anags1 votes

Take exhaust then. You use it to get a lead on him because he can't do anything to you while it is up. Then you have a lead and it doesn't matter after that.

There are a lot of strong AP mids right now so I don't see where they need a lot of changes to make them better.

nm10101 votes

You just use your own experience then without seeing how other players (not even better players) handle the champ? Zed does a lot of single target damage, but this is tied heavily to hitting multiple shurikens on a target and his ult pop.

Transitioning into the second point you should be grouping up for objectives /teamfights late game, at this point one zhonyas to stop his ult application is more than enough to allow him to get focused. The item was nerfed for its stats and active combo as riot said in the patch it was changed in:

Zhonya’s Hourglass struggles to maintain two very expensive characteristics: it’s a top-tier ability power item that also boasts one of the strongest actives in the game. Historically, this duality has forced us to lock Zhonya’s behind a steep price tag or awkward build path - usually both. There are other items which offer tons of ability power, but no other item shares Zhonya’s’ active, so we’re going all-in on its identity as a defensive utility item. That decision has allowed us to drop the price of Zhonya’s to the lowest it’s ever been in League history, making it more readily available in times its stasis effect is truly needed.

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