Surely darius needs some in built tenacity rather than more damage

Death by Glamour·Feb 20, 2018·4 votes·815 views

His damage is fine, lets be honest about it. 5% armour pen will make a bit of a difference but unless things have changed he dpesnt tend to max w second unless hes vs a squishy.

But imo his laning isnt a problem, its his teamfighting. Surely some sort of tenacity buff which scaled with ranks on his ult would have been better?

Even with these damage buffs hes just going to be kited like usual

Edit and the downvotes begins, atleast let me know why you think he needs more damage over sticking power

16 Comments

Hey h0w r yaFeb 20, 20182 votes

His counterplay is his ability to be kited. I have one tricked Darius to Diamond 2 seasons now and he needs that counterplay to not be over the top broken.

The W damage buff is something idc about, he already has stupid amounts of damage so more isn't really helping.

The 5% shred and 2 second lower W however are utility buffs that will really help him.

The first will allow Darius to be an even more effective pick into the top lane tank meta we have right now

and the W buff will allow him to stick on targets better as he maxes W last.

He is going to be S tier most likely after this and see some bans.

I am happy but it honestly might be too much and I won't get to play him as he will be banned every game

Death by GlamourFeb 20, 20181 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=role&amp;order=descend&order=ascend

According to these their is only 2 tanks with positive winrates in toplane atm, 3 if you want to count singed. Bruisers seem to be doing much better so i still question where this tank meta is coming from.

Preferably i would want no changes to darius to me he seems alright currently, you likely no better as i rarely play him on either account i have. But i still stand by what i said, overall his damage is fine as it is its his sticking power to the carries which is the problem.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 20, 20181 votes

If he gets on carries, he sticks on them just fine. It is getting on them to begin with that is the problem and should always remain the problem because that is his counterplay.

Champion.GG is known to not be up to date and flushes their data a lot.

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

This is a month sample size

Tanks with a 50 percent or better win rate over the last month

Singed - 54.31%
Sion - 53.63%
Rammus - Im throwing him on here since in Diamond he is pick or ban in every game so Darius would see him a lot - 52.47%
Mao'Kai - 52%
Garen - 51.38%
Nasus 51.37%
Malphite 51.36%
Illaoi (I consider her a Tank, some might not, it depends) - 51.32%
Galio - 50.81%
Cho'Gath - 50.35 %
Dr. Mundo - 50.03%

This is all Plat and above stats which is where Darius has struggled. Tanks are picked the most top and while he is good at shredding tanks, the itemization and runes have made it so tanks can ignore him until he reaches his first full item.

This buff allows him to have access to early armor pen faster then the enemy can stack it as well as his main trading tool on a lower cooldown allowing for two W's in a full on trade.

He is not THE definitive counter to Tanks being picked top and that is what Riot is going for.

If he could also be unkitable he would just be broken as hell

Death by GlamourFeb 20, 20181 votes

With all due respect you have just linked data from one region, half of which arent tanks.

Champ gg atleast looks at all regiong over the course of a week

Hey h0w r yaFeb 20, 20181 votes

I play in Diamond on NA server, that is what I care about and where my point is being made. IDC about some silver players in OCE

Death by GlamourFeb 20, 20181 votes

The stats were plat plus on all servers lol

Hey h0w r yaFeb 20, 20181 votes

and as I have said before Champion.gg is the most notorious site for having inaccurate information and stat dumping

FoxynthFeb 20, 20181 votes

Can you remind me what Tenacity is again? Sorry for not being entirely on topic with this one but thats one mechanic in the game I have not for the life of me been able to figure out.

Hey h0w r yaFeb 20, 20181 votes

Tenacity reduces the duration of Crowd Control.

It is provided in some Runes and items like Mercury Treads and Stericks Gage

FoxynthFeb 20, 20181 votes

Gotcha. Thanks a bunch for the answer, that's the only item in the client that doesn't give me an explicit description and it's been frustrating

TakaDamaFeb 20, 20181 votes

Basically reduces the amount of incoming CC by a percentage equal to tenacity (except Airborne, Suppression, and Displacement).

Maybe make it similar to Gnar's R (as it is currently) or Sivir's R and have it buff another ability or passive with Tenacity? Gates him pre-6, restricting it's effect laning.

However, I should reiterate from another thread that lack of positioning options is Darius's weakness, and as such Tenacity alone will only help you when CC'd and not while being kited.

Death by GlamourFeb 20, 20181 votes

Yeh i mentioned tying it to his ult, thought that adding it to his exosting passive would buff him to much in the lane.

TakaDamaFeb 20, 20181 votes

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Yeh i mentioned tying it to his ult, thought that adding it to his exosting passive would buff him to much in the lane.

indeed; like I said (or maybe just suggested?) with Sivir's ult her ricochet buffs her AS while ricochet is active. With this I'd imagine that once Darius has his ult, he'll get tenacity and/or slow resist when Noxian Might is triggered. Gives him more snowball potential after successfully dunking an opponent.

Death by GlamourFeb 20, 20181 votes

Reduces cc duration basically