Why are there more zoe nerfs?

Xavanic··5 votes·1,217 views

This champ has already been nerfed enough, she has to be able to survive her horrible early game to even do well in the late game, shes basically immobile (her ult really doesn't count, while she can use it to get an extra extension on her abilities shes forced to return to the original location afterwards, meaning its uses become alot more limited then say an LB W) her dmg is only alright (its not even really op, for a burst mage (and the fact her skillshots are tiny asf) her dmg really doesnt need more nerfs, her winrate is 49% and when other champs like MF being able to throw a q at squishy late game and nearly one shotting them right there with next to no counterplay outside of having a braum, yas or zhonyas (on top of having an ult that can literally win the game on its own) def feel you need to reconsider these zoe nerfs, esp when your already indirectly nerfing her in the same patch (2 of her main runes are being nerfed) And for the people that keep saying "shes too op and toxic" her only problem is her E, just rework that skill and maybe her ult (make her into a kite mage like ahri....still dunno wtf kite mage is supposed to be) zoe has one of the most interesting personalities out of any champ (esp with the whole dreary and dark theme as of late) don't ruin her by overnerfing her, just rework her problematic abilities now and save the poor champ from becoming azir

11 Comments

Hayaishi4 votes

We dont like cancer being viable. Nerf into a cannon minion.

nelogis4 votes

Cannon minions with baron buff too stronk tho :(

Nerf into caster minion

lolipopevelynn3 votes

Ur gonna get 100 downvotes. Zoe is fine but the community treats her as the 2nd coming of teemo so Therefore she will be nerfed to teemo level. Good in lane and 1v1s but cant carry a game and is dependent on others to carry instead.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

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Ur gonna get 100 downvotes. Zoe is fine but the community treats her as the 2nd coming of teemo so Therefore she will be nerfed to teemo level. Good in lane and 1v1s but cant carry a game and is dependent on others to carry instead.

ha. played teemo yesterday. got flamed just for playing teemo. got first blood as support because bottom didnt want to lane with teemo support.

gave me conniptions.

then if that wasnt bad enough my next game had 2 of the 3 flamers in it and we were sharing a lane. caused me to lose enough LP to get demoted. so... yay.

after that i was so irritated that my k/d/a kept dropping every game. so i went to bed b V zero LP. again.

lolipopevelynn2 votes

Zoes problem: "she bursts my 800 hp pool too hard riot! Pls nerf till she is useless!"

Same story every time a dedicated burst mage or assasin is released. She is no less problematic than getting AOE stuned by a veigar or syndra and getting deleted.

Zoe isnt even hard to balance correctly if you are competent which the balance team isnt. From the very start her CDs were just way to low. Maybe also put CDs on the W summoners she uses so that she cant chain 3 flashes and 3 ignites. Dont even need to touch her dmg. OR give her W summoner charges. Maybe 2 or 3 befor it goes on a very long CD to collect more sums. Doing either will indirectly nerf her dmg anyway because she cant chain her bolts and passive as much.

And yes im saying im a better balancer than anyone on the balance team. Riots "philosophy" of not touching a champions unique trait is whats killing them. In this case its zoe free use of summoners and NOT her damage.

Xavanic1 votes

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Zoes problem: "she bursts my 800 hp pool too hard riot! Pls nerf till she is useless!"

Same story every time a dedicated burst mage or assasin is released. She is no less problematic than getting AOE stuned by a veigar or syndra and getting deleted.

Zoe isnt even hard to balance correctly if you are competent which the balance team isnt. From the very start her CDs were just way to low. Maybe also put CDs on the W summoners she uses so that she cant chain 3 flashes and 3 ignites. Dont even need to touch her dmg. OR give her W summoner charges. Maybe 2 or 3 befor it goes on a very long CD to collect more sums. Doing either will indirectly nerf her dmg anyway because she cant chain her bolts and passive as much.

And yes im saying im a better balancer than anyone on the balance team. Riots "philosophy" of not touching a champions unique trait is whats killing them. In this case its zoe free use of summoners and NOT her damage.

veigar, i forgot he even existed...why arent they focusing out the fact once 20 minutes hits a good veigar now controls the entire game, rather then just whining zoe is too strong

Netorare1 votes

As long as they dont touch the Q its fine, tbh they should remove the true dmg and zoning from her E or just overall rework her kit but still keep her this fun. It's still funny how people learned to play against teemo but they gave up on learning how to play against certain champs that are easy to beat, it really makes you think that players become shittier and shittier at playing the game and that is true.

Xavanic2 votes

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As long as they dont touch the Q its fine, tbh they should remove the true dmg and zoning from her E or just overall rework her kit but still keep her this fun. It's still funny how people learned to play against teemo but they gave up on learning how to play against certain champs that are easy to beat, it really makes you think that players become shittier and shittier at playing the game and that is true.

i just want her to stay viable, her personality is great, tbh i wouldn't mind if they made her into more of a consistent dmg type mage like aurelion

CppL1 votes

Her kit is overloaded as fuck.You can miss everything and still kill squishy in like 3-4 passive procs...

Xavanic1 votes

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Her kit is overloaded as fuck.You can miss everything and still kill squishy in like 3-4 passive procs...

if shes 20/0 then yes, your numbers seem to be a bit off tho bud, her passive only hits for like 300 dmg late game (when everyone has at least 1500+ HP, most likely more)

theChibiTina1 votes

Plus Leblanc's damage is mostly point and click. Cast Q, pop Q with R (so basically second Q), pop R with W. If they aren't dead after that then cast E. If they still aren't dead, recast W and run away. But yes, Zoe's the problem because she's annoying to deal with even though she has more counterplay. I think if they got rid of the damage bubbles on her W and left it with just picking up abilities and passive MS boost then people might hate her less. People also hate that her E leaves a circle on the ground that can still put you to sleep, but if you're actually paying attention like you should be then you can just walk around it. Plus minions can pick it up.

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