Listen...I’m a Jax player, and buffs are fun. But Jax is already strong, and with SoS he’s borderline OP once he gets his items. I understand buffing up, but you need to start buffing other things like defense, defensive items and even toning down offense. Pretty sure nobody has ever played Jax and thought to themselves that they weren’t capable of reaching a target..
Savage the King8 votesI ban Jax in 100% of my games, and that since season 3. I don't mind that they buff him, because that one champion does not exist in my game.
strelizia jax1 votesudyr otp and you permban jax hehe xd
boricCentaur16 votes
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all buffed in the same patch and my willingness to play this game goes down more.
Magnesium143 votes
Mundo, SIon and Singed deserved the buffs, Jax didn't.
enshine6 votesshojin doesn't belong in this game and should be deleted
Rengar Top Lane2 votesIt honestly doesn't. Still waiting on them to delete this item or hard nerf it.
strelizia jax1 votesit will, in preseason, a riot member tweeted it out
Soul Dealer3 votesI’m a Jax’s main as well with over 1 mil points on the guy and I have tested the buff on pbe. It’s not as good as you think. It doesn’t affect his jungling at all and is only meant for top lane to help against ranged matchups which is a good thing. I just played against an Ezreal and fiora duo top and I could not leave my turret bc of the poke ez was putting out. The buff is supposed to help with things like this.
HateDaddy22 votes[{quoted}](name=Soul Dealer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-14T00:00:34.887+0000)
I’m a Jax’s main as well with over 1 mil points on the guy and I have tested the buff on pbe. It’s not as good as you think. It doesn’t affect his jungling at all and is only meant for top lane to help against ranged matchups which is a good thing. I just played against an Ezreal and fiora duo top and I could not leave my turret bc of the poke ez was putting out. The buff is supposed to help with things like this.
Uhm
I’m pretty sure riot didn’t buff Jax so you can fight fiora/ez top lol
He’s supposed to have SOME weaknesses, heaven forbid range is one of them. And that’s only early on.
Soul Dealer3 votesUhm
I’m pretty sure riot didn’t buff Jax so you can fight fiora/ez top lol
He’s supposed to have SOME weaknesses, heaven forbid range is one of them. And that’s only early on.
The fiora was not the issue. I couldn’t even go near my wave bc of Ezreals poke and I could fight him bc of his e. The Jax buff is supposed to help against range poke a little bit by allowing him to get on to targets and get out without taking as much abuse. Ranged top layer have been an issue for a long time and I’m glad to see riot stepping up and doing something.
HateDaddy16 votesThe issue is overblown for most champions, and Jax is historically considered a strong pick against most ranged champions not named kennen
mark60283 votesJax is a trash pick against ranged? What the fuck actually?
Jayce, kennen, neko, gangplank (who i consider ranged) they all shit on him like there is no tommorrow. Lissandra when she still got played top.
Boards will say anything to complain about jax it's insane.
Z3SIeeper11 votesYeah and fuck the melee matchups he's already going even with and now will just win and scale out of control right?
"Late game hypercarry"
mark60282 votesYes him being able to jump on melee champions more often to kill himself will help him to JUST WIN AND SCALE OUT OF CONTROL.
Bunch of monkeys on these boards.
ImTheJuggernauty5 votesMoron. If jax jumps on someone like darius, makes darius miss Q, and uses E to block autos and stun, he wins the trade hands down. Even early game. Mind you darius is an early/mid game juggernaut. So that should NEVER. EVER. be even REMOTELY possible. Yet jax beats the pulp out of darius if jax has even half a brain.
Monkey yourself mister
Z3SIeeper2 votesGrandmaster top lane main.
By all means continue thinking I don't know what I'm talking about.
strelizia jax1 votesi'm pretty sure they buffed jax right now because a riot member announced on twitter than spear of shojin is getting changed/removed so
Z3SIeeper1 votesIf Spear got removed I'd be totally fine with Jax buffs. But since it's still here right now...
ImTheJuggernauty2 votesIkr, this is monstrous. guess it's time to ban him over yas, vayne, and aatrox for me now :/
WoonStruck4 votesDoesn't Jax usually max Q first vs ranged tops anyway (prioritizing boots+phage) if he really has issues reaching them?
Haven't played him vs any in a long time so I have no idea what the pattern is now. All I used to do is play safe til 6 then buffer R and Q->AA->W(maxed first)->walk away.
MrFawknSunshine2 votesmax no... typically 2-3 points in Q then W max
cuz by the time he has 2-3 points in Q he has some sort of CDR. and if you have no point in W you are losing alot of damage
ImTheJuggernauty1 votesEven if he maxed it first, jax would still have to level up E and W before putting more points into Q jump in order to have a decent rotation, so he would definitely benefit heavily from the full 2 second cooldown buff he's receiving in the early game, when there isn't even any CDR built into anyone's kit yet.
To put it into perpective, this is a 20% CDR buff early game. That's huge on a champ whos supposed weakness is being weak early game (ha yeah right. His early game is no longer weak).
Playmakêr1 votesEven if he maxed it first, jax would still have to level up E and W before putting more points into Q jump in order to have a decent rotation, so he would definitely benefit heavily from the full 2 second cooldown buff he's receiving in the early game, when there isn't even any CDR built into anyone's kit yet.
To put it into perpective, this is a 20% CDR buff early game. That's huge on a champ whos supposed weakness is being weak early game (ha yeah right. His early game is no longer weak).
Dude stop talking you either never played jax before in top lane or you must be pretty low elo where people play like sheep. In higher elo Jax is not even considered a tier 1 pick anymore and thats for a good reason. I know what i am talking abot. Jax used to be a hard counter for trnydamere now tryndamere destroys him. all said former jax main, have a good day
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesLamppost man always bad.
Running into counterstrike lvl 1 and 2 and i died. So op. what can i do. riot crazy to buff. no counterplay REEEEEE
ImTheJuggernauty1 voteslmao, because he doesn't just jump on top of you at level 2 with E up and automatically win trades against anyone not named renekton, morde, or aatrox?
ImTheJuggernauty1 votesDon't care that you're a jax main. And you have made zero points to counter me. Fact is, jax being incredibly strong pre-buff just isn't good enough for your greedy fingers.
Hi im 122 votesas someone who often Q maxes on jax this will be a very welcomed change, I do have to say that jax is ... quite weak right now, you can never blind pick him and his only good in a few matchups.
HateDaddy8 votes[{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-14T01:38:49.420+0000)
as someone who often Q maxes on jax this will be a very welcomed change, I do have to say that jax is ... quite weak right now, you can never blind pick him and his only good in a few matchups.
You can’t blind pick anyone right now
Hi im 121 voteseh you'll be quite fine blind picking renekton, riven, camille, ranged tops, aatrox etc.
HateDaddy7 votes[{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T02:03:06.010+0000)
eh you'll be quite fine blind picking renekton, riven, camille, ranged tops, aatrox etc.
Even those champions can get hard-countered. Jax should never be a safe first pick; if he is, something is wrong.
Hi im 121 voteslmk when you figure out the hard counter to riven, fiora and camille. most bruisers are supposed to be safeish picks and they have never been supposed to be "if you blind pick jax you'll get fucked by someone who's skill level is 2 leagues bellow yours".
LeoX4 votesPoppy, voilibear, kennen, renekton counter riven.
Old pantheon used to really shit on fiora. Jayce, kennen, and a lot of range matchups still beat her now.
Fiora and Darius beat camille. Jax too.
Hi im 121 votespoppy volibear "counter" riven? lmao renekton is a skill matchup. kennen hardcounters fiora? jayce hardcounters fiora? with the 53% wr she has in the matchup? darius and jax counter camille? well I guess you have never been any good at top lane huh.
Zeyphel5 votesDo you ever play League of Legends? Serious Question
If you think Poppy doesn't counter Riven then your statement has no meaning as you lack of basic game understanding.
Hi im 121 votesstop it your ladder standing and skill are showing in your comments.
Zeyphel4 votesTalking with a wall feels more like a discussion than you.
Hi im 121 votesI mean there isn't much to say to people coming in with "I lost as riven to garen in gold 3 therefore garen counters riven!"
3TWarrior3 votesgaren counters riven because he can shut down her strengths: her auto cancel combos, with his silence. He is also difficult to wear down in lane (another of riven's strengths) due to his passive
by 6, he can also engage to kill
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Riven/
Hi im 121 voteswhen you give an example of a shitty low elo argument and then some dude actually shows up to make it lmao
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesTbf, you gave completely 0 statements regarding why you don't think Poppy counters Riven & etc, except constantly mocking him for being low elo, so how are you any different...?
3TWarrior1 votesthey might be onto something about Poppy. Riven's average win rate in masters seems to be 60% against poppy, https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/counter/Riven/
floo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T02:14:05.184+0000)
lmk when you figure out the hard counter to riven, fiora and camille. most bruisers are supposed to be safeish picks and they have never been supposed to be "if you blind pick jax you'll get fucked by someone who's skill level is 2 leagues bellow yours".
Why should they supposedly be safe blind picks? So you can roflstomp anyone no matter what? It's already close enough to that even though counterpicks for champs like Jax exist.
Hi im 121 votesI mean that's just ritos conception of bruisers, generalists, they don't really hard counter a lot of matchups and shouldn't be hard countered a lot. dunno why someone would want all champions to have hard counters though unless bad.
floo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=0003000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-15T11:24:50.373+0000)
I mean that's just ritos conception of bruisers, generalists, they don't really hard counter a lot of matchups and shouldn't be hard countered a lot. dunno why someone would want all champions to have hard counters though unless bad.
A champion who can single handedly carry lategame like Yi or Jax should definetly have a terrible early game, especially against ranged. Changes like these make mistakes early on too forgiving. Bruisers need something to keep them in check in order to not rampage every single game on their own. Not saying ranged champions are fun to play against as melee, especially stuff like tank karma, but counterpicks should exist.
Hi im 121 votesso basically what you're saying is that skill should matter less and picks should matter more, well uhhh, I mean, so you're bad? every toplaner should have a strong early against ranged, yi and jax do both have terrible early game though.
floo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=000300000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-15T14:13:46.553+0000)
so basically what you're saying is that skill should matter less and picks should matter more, well uhhh, I mean, so you're bad? every toplaner should have a strong early against ranged, yi and jax do both have terrible early game though.
No that's not what I'm saying lmao. I'm saying people shouldn't get to run over everything because of the champ they picked. Besides you will always have counterplay, as some kits counter each other innately. They shouldn't have a stronger early against ranged, that's the whole point of ranged advance. What should be changed are interactions like IBG on ranged champs.
Hi im 121 votesI didn't realize that no hard counters meant "running over everything", so when a silver kennen doesn't get to beat every plat player that's playing a melee champion the melee player is "running over everything".
the whole point of ranged advance.
there shouldn't be a ranged advantage in top lane
floo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=00030000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-15T16:43:40.979+0000)
I didn't realize that no hard counters meant "running over everything", so when a silver kennen doesn't get to beat every plat player that's playing a melee champion the melee player is "running over everything".
there shouldn't be a ranged advantage in top lane
Yes.. it pretty much means that. Every champ is countered by something. In edge cases like Yi who's only counter is cc, he runs over everything. That's why he has a terrible early, same as Jax.
I don't know what you're trying to tell with your example there. No silver Kennen will faceroll over every plat who plays melee, cuz then he wouldn't be in silver and the plats wouldn't belong in plat. Besides Kennen is pretty easily countered by tanks. He is only pretty good against - you guessed it - bruisers. And why? Because of range advantage. Why shouldn't there be a ranged advantage? There exist ranged toplaners after all, who have an innate advantage of a certain safety, which is balanced by squishiness. Exception being Gnar, who has been nerfed to the ground because of it, and builds like tank Karma, which as I said, are problematic.
mark60284 votesLol no. Blind picking camille is terrible.
Riven, aatrox, kled if you ban fiora and ranged champions.
Exin01 votes[{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-14T01:38:49.420+0000)
as someone who often Q maxes on jax this will be a very welcomed change, I do have to say that jax is ... quite weak right now, you can never blind pick him and his only good in a few matchups.
Because other champion are reaching BS level doesn't mean jax is weak he is just not as popular right now.