As if zyra isnt cancerous enough to play against, lets bring another screen range mage that does a shitload of damage without items to bot that will eat your tower alive if you get ganked once.
Please fix ziggs being in the bot lane, adcs are already bad enough as it is.
Deep Terror Nami12 votesNothing has changed about him, people are just upset that someone broke the meta and it works. That should be encouraged.
RexSaur1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=otiFyVsA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-02T07:54:39.664+0000)
Nothing has changed about him, people are just upset that someone broke the meta and it works. That should be encouraged.
Your logic is flawed.
"X champion was unchanged for Y time, that obvious means there is NO problem with him!"
Never mind that the champion exists IN the game, and the game changes over time which makes certain stuff stronger or weaker directly and indirectly.
ADC ziggs is just a cheese that is not fun to play against.
Ralanr2 votesNeither are ranged top laners, but we have to deal with Quinn now.
ShaolinToilet1 votesHe is too strong right now though
Hige5 votesZiggs doesn't need nerfs, Bot turret needs the fortification other turrets have.
vampirekid133 votesNO WAY. thank god for ziggs. there is no reason why every other lane is a mix and match of classes from mages to assassins to tanks to fighters and bot lane is ALWAYS ADC. no reason for it at all. bot lane should be, like any other lane, whatever class best fits you. not mandatory ADC.
IcyPepper2 votesWell it's a good thing ADC Ziggs isn't a problem.
It's nice to have a bot lane APC though.
PureSilvrr3 votesif you want more apc's try 
or 
IcyPepper1 votesThe first three I can see, since they have DPS to some degree (can't TF be played as an ADC as well? Or is that outdated?).
I don't know about Ahri, since she plays like, er, a kiting mage with some assassination potential? I'm not sure that would work against in the traditional bot lane duo laning phase. Correct me if I'm wrong though, and perhaps a few tips? Ahri is fun, but I'm not sure how to build and play her in bot lane.
I'm guessing throwing in a 
as a defensive item and maybe a 
if you're looking to take towers fast is an idea, or maybe just a 
for mana and trading easier with aa-based ADC's? I'm theorycrafting here, plz help :(
PureSilvrr1 votesYou can just build her like a normal mage, or if you want something more traditional and autoattackbased try 
and some boots
Ad tf is decent, but you need a rapidfirecannon as soon as midgame hits or youll die to much. I play hybrid onhit tf and its godly lategame(1v1 yasuo level godly), but the early game is so sucky you need your jungler to camp or snowball you for you to make it to lategame
IcyPepper1 votesBut if I build like a normal mage, I don't have enough pressure against the enemy's tower unless I'm playing Ziggs. How can I compensate for that?
Beldair1 votesFought an adc ahri..she is still a deadly foe.
IcyPepper1 votesAn Ahri built a traditional ADC build? :/
That's cool and all (I guess it plays like Ashe/Ezreal with worse scalings), but I'm more interested in APC bot lane potential. It's... different than the normal ADC way, but I have no idea how to play it.
PureSilvrr1 votesI have only seen Apc ahri, so I don't really know how to play it, but With azir just build Nashors attack speed Boots Rylais Liandrys and two item of choice and play like an adc Cass is just cass Ap tf is just like normal also
doublelift fg2 votesso you got destroyed by adc ziggs?
one more thing i have to not trust your opinion anymore
RexSaur2 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=otiFyVsA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-01-02T08:03:13.291+0000)
so you got destroyed by adc ziggs?
one more thing i have to not trust your opinion anymore
If by destroyed you mean i got 4 man ganked/forced off tower and he 100-0 my tower in a 2 waves then i guess, but hey bot lanes only get the fair stuff nowdays.
Irelia Bot1 votesso in other words you take issue with the first turret gold and weaker bot turret making players focus bot which is the real problem and not with Ziggs challenging the meta
doublelift fg4 votesthen it has nothing to do with fucking adc ziggs
adc ziggs is the most free kill i ever saw in my life, every adc+sup except Sona can kill him he's squishy and can't do a 2v2 fight, his spells don't do shit in early game and his passive has a long cooldown
so if you didn't kill him at lvl 2 i don't know how you played bot lane
RexSaur2 votesremove ziggs from bot lane and buff adcs 2017
IcyPepper2 votesAnd now we know for sure you're trolling.
PureSilvrr1 votesziggs bot isn't new... people have been playing this for months at least, its just that it was off meta and off meta is discourages and seen as trolling especialy if you do bad.
have you never seen 
Apc before?
4631 votesWhen ADCs are a joke in 2017 LUL