Riot shouldn't balance around pro But Riot shouldn't balance around regular and nerf Garen who gets 54% win rate and 10% pick rate?
what exaclty do you want, is it based on the mood of the boards, or just to complain and insult ghostcrawler (who isn't even in charge of league anymore) ???
dunder kill12 votesGameplay just complains about whatever is meta in an endless circle. Every single champ has a "toxic kit" when their numbers are too high. Every single meta is "the worst meta ever". Everything has "no counterplay". People just use this board to bitch tbh. Best not to take it actually serious
Warlord Rhinark9 votesRiot shouldn't balance around pro play and LCS, since it's incredibly biased and serves to omega buff things like Assassins and damage since that's "fun" and "exciting".
But I find it okay for them to balance around high elo.
And no, that's not the same thing.
D357R0Y3R6 votesSo why isn't it fine to nerf a champion who has 54% win rate 10% pick rate in plat and 53% win rate 9% pick rate in diamond
or plat should be deemed low elo as well?
Jamaree5 votesSo why isn't it fine to nerf a champion who has 54% win rate 10% pick rate in plat and 53% win rate 9% pick rate in diamond
or plat should be deemed low elo as well?
Yes, high elo isn't until like Diamond 2 and up.
Fízz v23 votesIf you balance around d2 and higher its gonna be almost the same as pro play tho.
Jamaree4 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqZOEVgI,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-14T10:07:16.250+0000)
If you balance around d2 and higher its gonna be almost the same as pro play tho.
Good, most people below that line aren't good and their suggestions shouldn't be taken as seriously.
Warlord Rhinark2 votesSo why isn't it fine to nerf a champion who has 54% win rate 10% pick rate in plat and 53% win rate 9% pick rate in diamond
or plat should be deemed low elo as well?
I didn't say it wasn't fine to nerf Garen?
D357R0Y3R2 votesNo rhinark senpai, you didn't i'm talking about the billion of garen threads that are being made right now
Warlord Rhinark4 votesNo rhinark senpai, you didn't i'm talking about the billion of garen threads that are being made right now
It's a good thing the boards isn't a single entity then.
We all have our different views and opinions.
People have been complaining about Garen being overpowered for years. They probably will continue to do so until hee's nerfed into the ground.
Also, "billion" seems like an exaggeration.
lolipopevelynn5 votesSo why isn't it fine to nerf a champion who has 54% win rate 10% pick rate in plat and 53% win rate 9% pick rate in diamond
or plat should be deemed low elo as well?
plat has always been considered low elo. This is because "mid" elo is non existent to this community
Jerry SeinfeId2 votesplat has always been considered low elo. This is because "mid" elo is non existent to this community
yeah, i never understood that. Like IF there's 6 ranks why don't we describe Gold/plat as mid elo? Like i'm fine with admitting i'm low elo, and gold players seem to be somewhat fine with it. But fuck plat players are the worst people i run into in this game. Their ego is so big i swear i can smell a plat player in my games at this point. The amount of times that i've been like: "yeh, this one is plat" and have been right is ridiculous.
OnlyVelKozOnly5 votesTo be able to play the champions I like to play without some 12 year old assassin main who can mash his face onto the keyboard to smash me into oblivion because his point and click assassin has 28 dashes, true invisibility, and can one shot me with one full rotation while my insanely hard to land combo tickles him in comparison while they heal back all the damage with their ungodly sustain.
charge attack4 votesVelKoz is stronger than most assassins right now.
If you think Vel Koz combo tickles anyone then lol.
Also this mentality of “I can’t 1v1 assassins” is fucking stupid. What about the fact that Vel Koz has huge range AOE and pretty good CC.
Vel Koz melts through tanks as well. It’s like what the fuck... mage mains on boards think balance = I win 1v1 against assassins, out teamfight and damage ADCs, and have more utility than tanks. Also god forbid that you have to land skillshots to be able to do this.
OnlyVelKozOnly2 votesYeah man all those zero Vel'Koz mains in master and challenger! He's totes more viable than the plague that is assassins. Try attempting Vel'Koz combo with an assassin in the game. Just try. Try to lane as Vel'Koz vs. an assassin. Yeah, you can beat them but you have to be 99999x better and it's not going to be fun at all.
Vel'Koz has a sub 50 win rate in both roles so I'm not sure how he's better than most assassins but yeah man, keep thinking your precious point and click champions that do more damage than immobile mages are healthy for the game. The playerbase doesn't agree with you and neither does the money.
charge attack2 votesSub 50%? Look at Op.gg stats tab.
Lmao.
I don’t even play any assassins. But mages are cancer and mage mains are whinier than ADC mains. Let mages be weak for once in the past 4 years and they lose their shit. Get over yourself. You’d probably be complaining about assassins even if they were bad because you’re just a shit player. Downvote me all you want that’s just facts.
DW Diana1 votes[{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqZOEVgI,comment-id=0008000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-14T12:41:10.782+0000)
Sub 50%? Look at Op.gg stats tab.
Lmao.
I don’t even play any assassins. But mages are cancer and mage mains are whinier than ADC mains. Let mages be weak for once in the past 4 years and they lose their shit. Get over yourself. You’d probably be complaining about assassins even if they were bad because you’re just a shit player. Downvote me all you want that’s just facts.
Not disagreeing with you so much as pointing out a quick flaw in your reasoning:
OP.GG monitors stats from Korea only... that's not really very accurate when missing 70% (ish) of league players.
He's actually at 50.18% currently when looking at stats across all regions (this changes regularly so at the time of the post you are complaining about he may have been lower.)
Mages make up about 40% of the champions in the game as the term "mages" now seems to also mean "anything AP" by most people, and while champions like Fizz and Diana are excluded by this, the difference can scale between a Mage like Zoe or LB and a Mage like Vel'Koz or Malzahar, it is so vast that it is understandable that some of them are strong at all times.
Those my friend are facts, what you gave is an opinion based on self-limited information.
D357R0Y3R1 votesThe difference between malzahar and vel'koz is that vel'koz is actively ok in most of the games if you play right like ll stylish malzahar is shit unless he hardcounters his enemies
DW Diana1 votesThe difference between malzahar and vel'koz is that vel'koz is actively ok in most of the games if you play right like ll stylish malzahar is shit unless he hardcounters his ing abenemies
Well I wasn't gunna come right out and say it.... Dude try to be a bit nicer lol.
Khristophoros4 votesHe's strong because he does a lot of damage and kites pretty well but it doesn't mean Vel'koz players are automatically having fun in solo queue.
Solo queue is overwhelmed with hypermobile pubstompers which makes it really frustrating for us.
And no we can't 1v1 assassins. We can only avoid them and do teamplay.
charge attack2 votesAnd you shouldn’t be able to 1v1 assassins. Would that be “balanced” in the eyes of mage mains? Being better 1v1, laners, and teamfighters?
Khristophoros2 votesHow about fuck assassins and fuck assassin players? How about that?
charge attack4 votesHow about fuck mage mains who are the whiniest people in the fucking world and can never be at fault for being shit players and have to blame another class for their problems.
Go jerk yourself off with other mage mains on the boards and keep using your alt account so you don’t embarrass yourself.
Khristophoros1 votesAssassin players are so entitled. They think they're entitled to win 1v1s and also be able to escape or outplay every bad situation. These champions make the game less fun for everyone else and assassin players don't give a shit about that.
charge attack3 votesMage players are so entitled. They think they’re entitled to be good in lane as well as have the strongest teamfight utility, best AOE damage, and also be able to outdps AND outburst everyone with huge range advantage. These champions make the game less fun for everyone but mage mains don’t give a shit about that.
Khristophoros1 votesNo I think we just want to actually be able to have fun playing solo queue.
charge attack2 votesAnd the fucking world revolves around you.
Doesn’t matter if ADCs have fun, or if Assassin players can have fun. Riot should specifically cater to YOU and other mage mains. Get over yourself.
Fuck a s6 meta where mages pop everything in sight while being oppressive laners. Didn’t see any mage mains talking about “balance” then.
Khristophoros1 votesAssassins make the game unfun for everyone else in solo queue.
Jerry SeinfeId1 votes[{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqZOEVgI,comment-id=000800010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-14T12:56:00.976+0000)
How about fuck mage mains who are the whiniest people in the fucking world and can never be at fault for being shit players and have to blame another class for their problems.
Go jerk yourself off with other mage mains on the boards and keep using your alt account so you don’t embarrass yourself.
shit, i hate assassins and feel like they're unhealthy for the game but that's actually quite accurate. The mage bias around here is fucking wild. It's not as bad as supports but holy fuck they cry about everything. Ironically the class i hear about being crybabies (marksmen) cry the least in my experience.
Leetri1 votesIt's cause every single time a marksman player tries to voice their concerns here they're instantly downvoted and told "shut up ur just an adc main". The boards has made it very clear over the years that marksman players are not welcome here.
LTK KoRo2 votesGood, you shouldn't be able to 1vs1 assassins. What would be point of assassins if they were losing to immobile mages?
DW Diana2 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqZOEVgI,comment-id=0008000100010001,timestamp=2018-08-14T13:04:29.052+0000)
Good, you shouldn't be able to 1vs1 assassins. What would be point of assassins if they were losing to immobile mages?
Careful, some of the core counters to assassins in the game have always been immobile mages. Not that you are entirely wrong; most immobile mages are MEANT to be countered by assassins, but there are some that were designed to do the opposite :P
LTK KoRo1 votesI know only Malzahar and Swain being able to counter assassins, and im not sure if Malza still can do it
DW Diana1 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqZOEVgI,comment-id=000800010001000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-14T15:31:43.644+0000)
I know only Malzahar and Swain being able to counter assassins, and im not sure if Malza still can do it
No Malzahar can no longer do it; too many nerfs.
Others that USED to do it include 
and 
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All three of these used to use point and click CC (therefore countering the high mobility) to lock them down and then use their burst to kill them. Funnily enough all of these can now be found running Electrocute and ignite to achieve this to some degree, though sadly Malzahar is less proficient at this due to his 3 item powerspike.
Khristophoros1 votesAssassins are just pubstompers that honestly have no place in the game, and make the game worse for everyone else playing. They are not an essential part of the balance. They are just cheap pubstompers who make the game worse by existing.
LTK KoRo1 votesAssassins are just pubstompers that honestly have no place in the game
This can be said about every high-skillcap champ. Good Azir is a definition of pubstomper, same as Master Yi, Katarina, or even Tristana.
and make the game worse for everyone else playing.
We can say that about every ADC. And most of the supports.
They are not an essential part of the balance.
No class should be mandatory. If you seriously believe that meta should orbit around ADCs, Mages and Tanks, then well, you're really limited.
They are just cheap pubstompers who make the game worse by existing.
Again, there are a lot of other pubstompers, assassins aren't the only ones. Also, assassins do have their place in game. Someone needs to hold ADCs in check.
Khristophoros1 votesIt has nothing to do with skill cap.
The "Someone needs to hold ADCs in check." argument has always been wrong. We've had so many metas where assassins were not relevant outside of solo queue. If ADCs were OP they were still the focus of the game even in assassin metas. ADCs ended up needing to be nerfed and they probably still need a lot of heavy design work to fit into the game without warping it. Assassins cannot and never did fix that.
And btw it's kind if interesting that back when ADCs were meta people used that argument a lot. Now that ADCs are somewhat weak (or balanced I guess), they've moved on to "We're supposed to counter mages!" It's getting obvious that assassin players will say anything to justify their toxic champs.
DoktorKaiser4 votesFor the gameplay to not be absolute shit that forced me to semi-quit the game. I complained about champions for 7 years, but only now I am really complaining about the core gameplay which is utter garbage. Fix the fucking game !!!
Veraska3 votesThe boards arent a hivemind and everyone here has a vision of what they think the most fun version of league should look like, people come here to complain when the gamestate doesnt match their ideals close enough
Risk of Fate3 votes[deleted]
D357R0Y3R2 votesthat's actually accurate
AirKingNeo2 votesGameplay boards is a nuclear waste cesspool. Does moderation do anything to fix that? It doesn't seem like it because I still am seeing threads with no substance hit the front page every day, proof that the vote system has failed and intervention is needed.
Gameplay is against high tier balance, despite every competitive game balancing around their high tier. Notice how stupid that sounds once put into context?
Naymliss1 votesMost people are fine with Garen being too strong for the same reason some people were okay with Janna being too strong- he's not super overbearing with his strength. If you position right, have decent cc, or mobility, you can live against him. Compare that to other crap in the game right now and he feels great to play against.
