Did we just sneak into a tank meta?

Skorch·Jan 25, 2017·4 votes·726 views

How the hell did this happen?

Usually i would go into a long drawn out reasoning here but i really dont know.

I actually liked S5s tank meta, this one however is a little bit annoying because the tanks are living for ever AND kill you really fast.

EDIT: Jax is a running joke i have that hes diverse, but if you want more REAL tanks that are strong maybe and while not CLASSIFIED as tanks and sometimes also get tanky.

While not complete tanks, the point of a tank meta is there are multiple people who can build almost full tank with the exception of 1 or 2 items and still kill your carries, while your team can't kill them. And "although nerfed TODAY" COTC has been a MAJOR provider in this.

Every person i listed (except jax) can build 1 item then full tank then kill 1 or multiple of your teams carries without dying.

33 Comments

WoonStruckJan 25, 20179 votes

Only one of those is a tank.

Also, if it were a tank meta, Jax wouldn't be viable at all.

SEKAIJan 25, 20171 votes

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Only one of those is a tank.

Also, if it were a tank meta, Jax wouldn't be viable at all.

GG OP.

LimmieJan 25, 20173 votes

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Only one of those is a tank.

Poppy Primary role: Tank Secodary role: Fighter

Camille Primary role: Fighter Secodary role: Tank

Darius Primary role: Fighter Secodary role: Tank

Garen Primary role: Fighter Secodary role: Tank

Ok.

SEKAIJan 25, 20172 votes

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Primary role: Tank Secodary role: Fighter

Primary role: Fighter Secodary role: Tank

Primary role: Fighter Secodary role: Tank

Primary role: Fighter Secodary role: Tank

Ok.

Since when is Riot's categorisation correct and in-touch with gameplay? It has never been the case, that's why the class system has been reworked and mini-reworked countless times already.

Critmaster GarenJan 25, 20172 votes

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Since when is Riot's categorisation correct and in-touch with gameplay? It has never been the case, that's why the class system has been reworked and mini-reworked countless times already.

there is a distinct difference between fighters like darius, garen, camille and jax and actual tanks.

fighters are carries.

a tanks purpose is to provide initiation peel and general utility for his team. the difference between a juggernaut and a tank is, a tank will cc your entire team so his carries can shred you to pieces.

a juggernaut IS that carry who shreds you to pieces. neither can be effective without the other.

SEKAIJan 25, 20172 votes

Imma just address this 1 point, since there's nothing wrong with the rest of your post.

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fighters are carries.

Most of them aren't though. The term just basically means it's a melee and more offence oriented champ.

RalanrJan 25, 20172 votes

How are they not carries?

LordGeovanniJan 26, 20171 votes

fighters were always carries until the mass nerf of defensive items in season 5 that made fighters unplayble because the mass nerf made tanks weak to ranged damage and fighters who had to build 1/4 tank lost felt hit even harder. then again fighters items got nerfed in season 6 when adcs were abuseing them to be come safe carries at range but even when you got to them they were still durable. then was when triforce had ap which helped some bruisers and crit which also helped some cruisers and other s who went a critical stike path. then there was the sheen change than made sheen based off of base ad rather than total ad. then jax suffered form the change of item 3124 whos passive was moved to maw an all around inefficent item and now useless because you have to get so low to even get its passive it might as well not even be a spell sheild but rather a general sheild to give an opportunity to use the healing stats other wise there is no reason to touch the item especially after it got changed to get ad rather than attack speed which bruisers need but only have one choice source to go to being trinity force but if you dont like that 1/3 of its stats are useless on you or that spell blade isnt good for your character or that the item bearly give health for a item meant for melee charactes while mages most of which are ranged all of their items with health has more health even the recently nerfed previously overloaded item item 3116

fighters have always been carries just that with balance shifts fighters cant carry anymore unless they are yasou or leesin riven champions with shit ton of mobility to go with their high damage and utility. when fighters were carries mages werent throwing around nukes every 3 seconds and adcs every 5 seconds with their crit.

rtbf221651412Jan 26, 20171 votes

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Since when is Riot's categorisation correct and in-touch with gameplay? It has never been the case, that's why the class system has been reworked and mini-reworked countless times already.

Sorry, but he is correct. Idgaf what everyone else says. Riot intended them to be a tank. Whether or not they are built that way in game is a different story.

However, I would call it more a bruiser meta than anything.

DynikusJan 25, 20173 votes

fun fact, tristana is classified as an assassin secondary. Riot's roles mean nothing.

Critmaster GarenJan 25, 20173 votes

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fun fact, tristana is classified as an assassin secondary. Riot's roles mean nothing.

i dont know if youre using the alpha client, but those roles have been updated there. tristana is only categorized as marksman there, and garen only as fighter.

MLDzXnRRRJan 25, 20171 votes

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fun fact, tristana is classified as an assassin secondary. Riot's roles mean nothing.

You have never played AP Tristana before rework? Even now the last time the enemy squishies get instagibbed by lategame ADC Trist. THe probem is getting there.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 25, 20172 votes

Riot also had xerath labeled as an assassin lmao

EndlessSorcererJan 26, 20171 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

Tanks

Vanguards

Malphite

Amumu

Leona

Zac

Gragas

Rammus

Mega Gnar

Sejuani

Rek’Sai

Sion

Nautilus

Skarner

Wardens

Braum

Nunu

Tahm Kench

Maokai

Shen

Thresh

Alistar

Poppy

Galio (hybrid Battle Mage)

AhristocatsJan 25, 20172 votes

jax isn't viable

SalronJan 25, 20171 votes

Slow down there hashinshin

AhristocatsJan 25, 20172 votes

Not a jax main, jax is just garbage right now and his design is grabage anyway he was never balanced in high elo his kit in no bueno with little utility, binary defensive spells and overall no mechanics he's like an other master yi

If we talk about the meta right now, Jax can't kill tanks, he also can't kill squishies especially with gunblade nerf, his laning phase is one of the worst, and in late game his ulti is negated by half due to penetration and his E was always useless in high elo except to stun every 10 sec

WoonStruckJan 25, 20171 votes

He's borderline due to jungle. He's palatable there because he has the opportunity to heavily impact the game through ganks and snowball hard from there, mitigating his weak early game and accentuating his strong mid, which is good because you're only relevant as Jax for about 10 minutes after you get TF.

Top I'd definitely agree.

SkorchJan 25, 20171 votes

The Jax is an inside joke: To explain it whenever i make a post talking about roles I put Jax in every role since he is really diverse.

LordGeovanniJan 26, 20171 votes

jax has only ever been a fighter he can have versitle damage but other champions had that too but they destroyed most of them from building hybrid warwick being the latest victim though his mixed damage was more core than any of his skills

LordGeovanniJan 26, 20171 votes

poppy is supposed to be a bruiser

wishbone25Jan 25, 20171 votes

yeah ofc players in rank cause tank meta again

Hexs FortuneJan 25, 20171 votes

True tanks will never shine because everyone groups em with divers and juggernauts for some reason

Critmaster GarenJan 25, 20171 votes

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How the hell did this happen?

Usually i would go into a long drawn out reasoning here but i really dont know.

I actually liked S5s tank meta, this one however is a little bit annoying because the tanks are living for ever AND kill you really fast.

Poppy tank Camille diver Darius juggernaut Garen juggernaut Jax skirmisher

camille already has nerfs coming for her. poppy has just been nerfed. darius has been nerfed for no reason. garen has been buffed, since he was weak (now balanced). jax is decent, not more not less.

Kahl Drogo98Jan 25, 20172 votes

I disagree with you on Darius. Their reasoning was that his all-in at level 1 was too strong, which I agree with, I main him and every time that I all in my laner at level 1 I would destroy them because of his passive. the only thing they are nerfing is his early game potential to all in you so that he doesn't become impossible to deal with after 1 kill early on from the extra damage from his passive and the kind of stupid damage his blade handle does

AhristocatsJan 25, 20171 votes

they nerfed his level 1 to level 13 dude

Critmaster GarenJan 25, 20171 votes

not to mention bronzies will always claim that its a tank meta.

never mind, that the meta right now is still 100% focused around carry junglers.

AhristocatsJan 25, 20171 votes

jax a tank

lmfao

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJan 25, 20171 votes

the only tank that matters is Maokai

Maximum MordeJan 25, 20171 votes

Lol the derp is strong with this one.

RalanrJan 25, 20171 votes

On the squishy killing: passive damage was ramped up without much compensation for passive defense. Squishies don't build defense so they are much more likely to die faster.

LordGeovanniJan 26, 20171 votes

Jax I cant even play jax top. so idk the fuck you saying. Tanks dont exist at the moment everyone is a bruiser and those bruisers have to build mostly tank items just to survive long enough to hit more than 2 auto attacks if any. thats not a fucking tank meta thats the screwing over of a class that cant even build the items that they were designed to use item 3153 item 3812 item 1419 item 3022 item 3124 item 3146 item 3004 item 3056 item 3091 and have to build 4 tank items includeing defensiv boots just to survive make burst and adc crits and the same crits 3 times every 2 seconds and same burst every 3-5 seconds. bruisers are supposed to be less safe melee carries but they are just psudo tanks and even to tanks if you ranged no defense squishy gets caught they need to die for how much headache they are allowed to give out for free at safe long range.