Some champs are shit for years 
and get very little to help
Tanks were poor choices for a full season before cinderhulk and shit made them useful again
are viable but not top picks for like 4 patches and they have buffs on the PBE.
JESUS.
UltraSceptile4 votesBy being healthy you mean if someone on my tema picked them it's an automatic loss?
Assassins right now need way too much fucking work to win with. If you pick zed, you're just gonna get locked down for an eternity unless your team is extremely competent/if your enemy's a fucking retard. Healthy means they're not broken, but also not trash tier.
Besides the buffs aren't even that much for zed and lee rofl.
Lugg11 votesAssassins right now need way too much fucking work to win with.
Oh, sorry, I forgot that you assassin mains aren't used to working for your wins like the rest of us.
Narasimha4 votesWait, I thought that was ADC mains?
Fucking hell, someone settle this once and for all. Its either 'ADC mains' or 'Assassin mains' or 'Riven mains'. Damn Boards need to make their minds up.
manbearswine4 votesWait, I thought that was ADC mains?
Fucking hell, someone settle this once and for all. Its either 'ADC mains' or 'Assassin mains' or 'Riven mains'. Damn Boards need to make their minds up.
the bruiser circle jerk blames adcs for everything,everyone else knows assassin mains are by far the most self entitled,if their champion isn't THE most broken shit in the game then it's unacceptable(remember their reaction to the kassadin rework which came after his permaban status?),riven has a lot of assassin elements in her kit(massive mobility,massive burst),so she kinda joins in with them.
But yeah assassin mains are definitely the most delusional bunch,they just got addicted to broken status.
Spizzle90001 votesthe bruiser circle jerk blames adcs for everything,everyone else knows assassin mains are by far the most self entitled,if their champion isn't THE most broken shit in the game then it's unacceptable(remember their reaction to the kassadin rework which came after his permaban status?),riven has a lot of assassin elements in her kit(massive mobility,massive burst),so she kinda joins in with them.
But yeah assassin mains are definitely the most delusional bunch,they just got addicted to broken status.
While many assassins were OP in season 4, they definitely weren't at their healthiest.
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=ranked&type=champion-winrate&range=monthly
Just look at the stats. The four champions with the highest winrates are fairly tanky and generally built as tanks. Xin Zhao might technically be a fighter/assassin and Malzahar is a mage/assassin, no true assassins are even in the top 10.
Wukong's ult is not a skillshot. Nor is Warwick's ult. Malphite's ult is a skillshot, but barely so. Xin Zhao's the same way as Malphite.
Riot appears to be weary of the meta dominated by cc and tanks, just as they grew sick of the assassin meta that was in season 4.
They like to change the meta every once in a while so no one gets too bored.
Edit: If you even go back to the top 15, there is no primary assassin on the list. Clearly there's something wrong if almost all of the top 15 is a fighter/tank, or something of the sort.
manbearswine1 votesWhile many assassins were OP in season 4, they definitely weren't at their healthiest.
Why would that ever change,assassins are cancer,always have been.
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=ranked&type=champion-winrate&range=monthly
Oh god,the winrate "argument".
Remember when le blanc was permaban status,she had like 48% winrate,they are just overplayed by people who have to clue how to play them,and are misrepresented by their winrate.
Just look at the stats. The four champions with the highest winrates are fairly tanky and generally built as tanks. Xin Zhao might technically be a fighter/assassin and Malzahar is a mage/assassin, no true assassins are even in the top 10.
Great,you are calling malz op,"how not to make a good argument 101".
Wukong's ult is not a skillshot. Nor is Warwick's ult. Malphite's ult is a skillshot, but barely so. Xin Zhao's the same way as Malphite.
Riot appears to be weary of the meta dominated by cc and tanks, just as they grew sick of the assassin meta that was in season 4.
The tank meta is already dead,even sejuani can't maintain a >50% winrate(since we are using that as an argument),it's not even balanced,it's dead,carry junglers are dominating,again,already,even without the upcoming nerfs to armor/buffs to assassins.
They like to change the meta every once in a while so no one gets too bored.
No,they like to shove assassins down our throat the moment they stop being super dominant.
Edit: If you even go back to the top 15, there is no primary assassin on the list. Clearly there's something wrong if almost all of the top 15 is a fighter/tank, or something of the sort.
What,top pickrate of mid lane? hmm lets see,top 5: Ahri: assassin viktor: burst mage yasuo:assassin twisted fate:whatever it is twisted fate is annie:burst mage
seem to be doing fine.
Spizzle90001 votesWhy would that ever change,assassins are cancer,always have been.
Oh god,the winrate "argument".
Remember when le blanc was permaban status,she had like 48% winrate,they are just overplayed by people who have to clue how to play them,and are misrepresented by their winrate.
Great,you are calling malz op,"how not to make a good argument 101".
The tank meta is already dead,even sejuani can't maintain a >50% winrate(since we are using that as an argument),it's not even balanced,it's dead,carry junglers are dominating,again,already,even without the upcoming nerfs to armor/buffs to assassins.
No,they like to shove assassins down our throat the moment they stop being super dominant.
What,top pickrate of mid lane? hmm lets see,top 5: Ahri: assassin viktor: burst mage yasuo:assassin twisted fate:whatever it is twisted fate is annie:burst mage
seem to be doing fine.
I don't see how all assassins are cancer. Perhaps Riven is, but that's about it.
Winrates aren't all that matter, but, they do have quite a bit of weight. It can't honestly be a coincidence that a lot of tanky junglers are the top winrates for this month. Is everyone who uses them simply good? Nope.
Malzahar isn't OP, I was just pointing out how he and Xin Zhao are the only people who are even partially assassins are in the top 10.
Assassins haven't been dominant for most of the year, so, yeah.
And, mid lane IS a burst dominated lane. That's how it is in mid.
manbearswine1 votesI don't see how all assassins are cancer. Perhaps Riven is, but that's about it.
Fizz,zed,le blanc,kassadin,rengar,yasuo/etc. Sure it's all fine and forgotten when they are nowhere to be seen,but the moment these guys start being popular is the moment there's a cryout from the community,they are all horrible.
Winrates aren't all that matter, but, they do have quite a bit of weight. It can't honestly be a coincidence that a lot of tanky junglers are the top winrates for this month. Is everyone who uses them simply good? Nope.
What are you talking about? tank junglers are not doing well at all this patch,not even winrate wise. And no,it's not that everyone using them is good,it's that they are(when their winrates are high) simplier to use,so although an experienced tank jungler will do as well as an experienced carry jungler,the inexperienced tank jungler will do better than the inexperienced carry jungler,hence a higher winrate(but that's just not that case right now,tank junglers are dead).
Malzahar isn't OP, I was just pointing out how he and Xin Zhao are the only people who are even partially assassins are in the top 10.
Cause you are looking at winrates,which at best can give a decent general picture,but do very little aside from that.
Assassins haven't been dominant for most of the year, so, yeah.
They have been serious contenders,they just having been shoving everyone out the way they used to(which I'm guessing is what this patch is aimed at "fixing"),this is exactly my point,assassin mains are such intitled bitches that if they see anyone but them being a dominant pick they claim assassins are shoved out.
two out of the top 5 most played mid laners are already assassins,how is it logical to ask for assassins buffs when that is the case?
And, mid lane IS a burst dominated lane. That's how it is in mid.
Except that it isn't,ap kog used/is a pretty good mid laner,doesn't have much for a burst,xerath has solid burst,but not something amazing,same for ori and varus.
Again my point exactly,mid lane isn't burst dominated,mid lane is assassin influenced,they are already so strong that if you don't have the burst or disengage to deal with them then you are out,but assassin feel entitled to be the only thing in mid lane.
Assassin are already on the strong side,they are already the most prominent of mid lane classes(utility mages/poke mages/bursters/whatever azir is/whatever twisted fate is),but assassin mains feel like if they aren't the only thing in mid lane then that must mean them to be underpowered.
Baunjo1 votesCan i have some -5 for agreeing with this logic?
Snowball4u3 votesIts called cc meta...
My friend is a lb main and he says hes about to quit because of the meta shift. Like where have you been.
Shadow Gilgamesh10 votes"Don't like assassins? just use CC, they're especially weak to it" - people during the assassin meta
but now that people ARE using CC, assassins aren't supposed to suffer the consequences, they should just get buffed? Should tanks be buffed because Vayne is picked/banned in like a third of games and Sated Devourer has AA tank shredders strong in the jungle?
Meta shift or no, Zed, LB, and Lee Sin were in their healthiest spot in a long damn time.
warpenguin5552 votes[{quoted}](name=Shadow Gilgamesh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ooqRvGi5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-08-08T03:13:19.313+0000)
"Don't like assassins? just use CC, they're especially weak to it" - people during the assassin meta
but now that people ARE using CC, assassins aren't supposed to suffer the consequences, they should just get buffed? Should tanks be buffed because Vayne is picked/banned in like a third of games and Sated Devourer has AA tank shredders strong in the jungle?
Meta shift or no, Zed, LB, and Lee Sin were in their healthiest spot in a long damn time.
the assassin meta was a pretty shitty time no doubt
Snowball4u3 votesAssassins meta wasnt bad... It was just annoying when they all had silences.
The buffs dont effect them that much, it just makes them slightly more mobile so they cant get locked down as easily as they are now.
Oh and also, it doesnt Take skill to land sej's ult after you have q'd right in front of their entire team.
manbearswine4 votesIts called cc meta...
My friend is a lb main and he says hes about to quit because of the meta shift. Like where have you been.
So just faceroll away from it with mobility? most cc in this game is skillshot based,if skillshots are a problem for your friend as a le blanc main,he probably should quit.
Beoridas3 votesits not as simple as you say it. Assassins are needed in the game. without necesserly dominating it. Id like to point that a strong amount of people was saying that riot were hating assassins hardcore because of all the dmg nerfs, removal of silences across the board etc... Now people say they love them too much? We cant have it both ways now can we?
AMYS GRAVE2 votesI think it's pretty clear.
KONO RUBICK DA2 votesnot every assassins, just lb and zed
being nerfed
still has no passive
DorkunedAuras2 votesUhhh, 30% damage increase on his Q after Eing, and having that bonus against on AAs with his W slow, that's a lot of free damage. Do not knock Talon's passive unless you actually play him.
Downrun2 votesThe Zed change is a partial reversion a nerf, so while it is technically a buff, they're not adding any power to his kit that he didn't already have at one point, and it's still not quite what his old ult was.
The Lee buff helps his late game peeling because his kick is all he has late game if he builds tank.
I understand that G&B hates these champs but these buffs are nothing big.
Big Lincoln1 voteswhy does duration of strength have to factor in whether a champ should be good?
ideally i'd like every champ to be strong but healthy at the same time.
is highly underrated, he's just super binary and in need of a rework which he's getting
Aeolian Melodies1 votesTaric is probably not your best example, due to his kit he can't be buffed - he's in for a full rework and those take time.
create flashy plays for which Riot has a hard-on due to esports. For the same reason 
is immune to any significant nerfs, but God help 
if she somehow becomes a thing again (competitively).