Against Swain mid, we had Cait, Yasuo, and Lee Sin, guess who got mortal reminder?

Shadow Gilgamesh·Dec 1, 2015·127 votes·6,935 views

Me as AP tank .

Reminded all 3 of our AD champs that Swain would have a hard time out sustaining their damage with 800 gold. But nope, I gotta build it after 3 items and boots because it became obvious they weren't gonna do it.

This is why and are gonna get hit, probably more than once with nerfs, people just not taking advantage of the tools at hand. People not doing the smart thing is why I can't have a good yellow trinket at level 9 anymore, I wonder what else will be lost because of it.

88 Comments

Spaceman5pffDec 1, 201527 votes

As an ABILITY POWER Tank, why not item 3165 instead of building AD?

Why would you use an inferior tool?

Sir YamazukiDec 1, 201529 votes

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As an ABILITY POWER Tank, why not instead of building AD?

They have to be low enough for it to work.

YrzenDec 1, 201523 votes

And it lasts for half the duration and can only be applied when abilities aren't on cd at that.

SpecterVonBarenDec 1, 20159 votes

And costs a lot more.

Shadow GilgameshDec 1, 201586 votes

That'd require getting him to 40%, I didn't have the AP to burst him that low since my build was tank, was more practical to apply it for 3-5 seconds with auto attacks at any HP than take the situational GW of morrello

Spaceman5pffDec 1, 201533 votes

welp at least the logic is there

Blue Moon WolfDec 1, 20154 votes

This is why I hope they update item 3165 for the Immobile mage update. give it something like 6-7 seconds of mortal wound every time you cast a spell on an enemy. Then again, I'm only saying make the effect longer for than on item 3033 since normally abilities can't fire as fast as an AA... unless your Ryze .__.

RogueWillDec 1, 20157 votes

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This is why I hope they update for the Immobile mage update. give it something like 6-7 seconds of mortal wound every time you cast a spell on an enemy. Then again, I'm only saying make the effect longer for than on since normally abilities can't fire as fast as an AA... unless your .__.

Or Cassiopeia

doombotMECHADec 1, 20158 votes

Or Karthus

Sire HippingtonDec 1, 20154 votes

800g compared to 2550g, if he gets it after 3 items, he can't really afford to wait for another 1750 more gold for GW, also delaying another tank item by 1750g more.
GW permanent as soon as you get into AA range compared to GW only once he's below 40% and, depending on the champ, with some cd.

DivewingDec 1, 201526 votes

Mundo has more problems than just his healing >_>

YumaS2AstralDec 1, 20155 votes

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Mundo has more problems than just his healing >_>

This.

His damage with Grasp of the Undying is insane.

But I think that this problem is more related to Grasp of the Undying than Mundo himself. I say that because there are some champions like Shen and Darius, that are ridiculous with this mastery.

I've even seen Shen winning against counters like Rumble and Vlad because he can just outsustain them, it is ridiculous, this mastery needs a nerf

ploki122Dec 1, 20152 votes

The sad thing with nerfing Grasp of the Undying is that right now it allows for full tanks to be played top. I started playing Braum top with the patch and my dueling power is insane simply because of how frequently I can proc it (since I'm a pretty massive wall tbh).

I'm really not sure that I could play him with the +max HP one since it would reduce my laning phase by quite a lot. Similarly, 2% damage reduction is pretty useless.

Chaotic ReksDec 1, 201512 votes

but but... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/daCOJpCUgFY/hqdefault.jpg

Gnart Even CloseDec 1, 20153 votes

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but but... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/daCOJpCUgFY/hqdefault.jpg

and suddenly, ninjas appeared

Teemo or FeedmoDec 1, 20153 votes

Zed

Ariel the CruelDec 1, 201512 votes

Shen Try it Zed. Just try. If you couldn't kill me before the changes, you most definitely won't after.

Shrek LuigiDec 2, 20151 votes

Teemo hello shen

MelledoneusDec 2, 20152 votes

Bitch, please. Have my lane, I'm getting bot lane fed.

MelledoneusDec 2, 20153 votes

NOTICE ME SHENPAI

LatetotheRaceDec 1, 20152 votes

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Mundo has more problems than just his healing >_>

If you hit him with grievious though, his cleavers no longer heal him, and his ult is hindered.

A Miss FortuneDec 1, 201514 votes

Despite us having a Vayne and Lee Sin with their Mundo being hyperfed (10-0 or something). I as the Soraka Tank Support was the only one who bought item 3123

When I asked Vayne to get it she said that she "didn't want to fall behind in her build" and Lee just said "no".

ChaddyFantomeDec 1, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NEeu7bXA,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-12-01T10:53:14.900+0000)

Despite us having a Vayne and Lee Sin with their Mundo being hyperfed (10-0 or something). I as the Tank Support was the only one who bought

When I asked Vayne to get it she said that she "didn't want to fall behind in her build" and Lee just said "no".

_Gottuh deeel the demegez. _(even tho LDR only does more dmg to high health targets up to a cap. Good luck killing Mundo when he;s healing for 800/s)

Ugh..>_>

SmithneyDec 1, 20155 votes

Honestly people are just too lazy to do maths and too ingorant to build for their team. Even without calculation, if there is an item that is specifically designed to punish sustain tanks hard, it would make sense that it should be bought to punish sustain tanks hard.

The DPS meter mentality in LoL really baffles me, because this is not a game where you win by neat numbers and kill score, but by teamwork and adaptive strategy.

HawkefireDec 1, 20152 votes

I can sort of understand why Lee wouldn't do that if he was going a more tanky oriented lee build (as fitting in the new mortal reminder would definitely hit his damage by a massive amount that it probably wouldn't even be worth it).

But Vayne.....or any other adc for that matter....I don't understand why they are so against building this item. Hell it is even pretty decent against other ADCs as lifesteal is usually their only defense.

Count ZubatDec 1, 20158 votes

Same with me. There was Mundo in enemy team and I was telling my Tristana to build Executioner's Calling. After telling her that about 5 times, she asked me what it is. I explained to her that it makes auto attacks apply greavious wounds (I even compared it to ignite, in case she still didn't get what I mean). She still went for Lord Dominik's Regards instead. Mundo has a huge win rate only because people are too dumb to think. EC was given quite nice build path, combining with Last Whisper, so it isn't a waste of an item slot like before. But nope, why care about building it, let's just complain how OP Mundo is.

Gunslinger744Dec 1, 20158 votes

Got one better, one time I asked a GP to build Mortal Reminder, he said "alright." A few minutes later he goes "Okay I got Mortal", I check his inventory: no Mortal. Not even a component that would lead to Mortal Reminder. So naturally, I go "dude what". His answer bothers me to this day. "Oh you meant the item?** I thought you meant the upgrade.**"

http://i.imgur.com/Ui7VTdW.png

I still have no idea what upgrade he was refering to. The closest I've gotten is Death's Daughter, which I guess could somehow, in some strange, twisted reality, be mistaken for "MORTAL REMINDER". Anyway, we lost the game a while later because he didn't build Mortal Reminder after that and just kinda ignored every call to buy it, even though he fed Vlad hard.

RalanrDec 1, 20156 votes

As someone who had to build item 3123 on Sion because his ADC and jungler didn't know or want to build it (the Shaco really annoyed me due to it distracting him from his, "400 AD build") I can relate.

It's a sad day when the tank of the team needs to build an anti-tank item.

ElegantDogeDec 1, 20155 votes

Mundo has more problem that his healing though.His damage are ridiculous to be honest.Back then that wasn't such a problem but with grasp+his E+titanic hydra,he can easily take off half your hp in 2 sec if you're playing a squischy. Sure,he shouldn't hit you but you know things are not always perfect.Btw,the fact that he can just build health +resist and get so much damage out of it is really annoying. Shen is strong may be,he can hit hard and all but he doesn't have cc reduction,good dps,good burst and a huge self healing.Even if you half his healing,he'll stll be this monster with 4k hp and 200 resist so he's not that easy to fall unless you're playing Vayne.

My problem with him honestly,is how easy it is for him to become strong.Literraly just one sunfire if you're against ad or Spirit visage if you're against AP then build accordingly.You just can't go wrong with him.

I don't think he's OP ,just a bit overtuned.

SpoofghoulDec 1, 201515 votes

Don't compare Mundo to Shen they are completely different in what they do!

Shen Goes where he is needed. DrMundo Goes where he pleases.

MelledoneusDec 2, 20152 votes

Except those awkward moments where you ult someone and they die before the shield actually procs. And you have to wait for 2 minutes for it to come back...

Squish.

Hinro HonatoDec 1, 20155 votes

The real problem seems to be people doing nothing but static builds still. It's a real problem. I can't say much about it though, I still have the problem just not as badly.

Humble PiDec 1, 20154 votes

And this is why I play Mundo and Swain. It is really disheartening that Riot killed Gunblade though. A snowballing Swain with Gunblade so nice. I would say though neither one needs a nerf. You have to Survive an awful dueling and farming early game to crush as Mundo or swain. In my Humble opinion that's reward earned.

RisenDarkKnightDec 1, 20153 votes

How did they kill Gunblade? It was buffed not nerfed.

Maximum MordeDec 1, 20154 votes

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How did they kill Gunblade? It was buffed not nerfed.

Changing it from 20% vamp to 15 is a buff? Overall the item was buffed sure, but for vamp mages it was nerfed.

ARequestOfDeathDec 1, 20152 votes

Jax

Auz the RipperDec 1, 20155 votes

Why don't you use WotA?

15% of the raw damage before resist is going to be higher than 20% of damage actually dealt against all but the squishiest targets

Plus 10% CDR is better than 40 AD for Swain

RogueWillDec 1, 20154 votes

As a regular mundo player I can tell that item 3123 and item 3033 really hurts.... The adc only needs to hit you once and then ignore you to render my ultimate useless.... I wish they would remove grievous wound so they could proper balance mundo ult. Currently is op without grievous wound and close to useless with it (ignite was manageable because it wasn't refreshed every aa, same with morelicom, you could ult at the begging of the fight and heal though out the battle)

GigglesODec 1, 20154 votes

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People not doing the smart thing is why I can't have a good yellow trinket at level 9 anymore...

I miss yellow trinket. I feel like the map is really vision-less now, even more so than last season.

Pierce The VealDec 1, 20153 votes

I'm not sure why the hell people aren't willing to drop a small anount of gold into executioner's calling to stop the enemy team.

And I'm also getting really pissed off at people's obsession with lord dominik's regards and +15% damage. That damage is miniscule when you're not penetrating base armor, and even more miniscule when the enemy has lifesteal/spellvamp/is mundo. More often than not, getting mortal reminder means you'll be doing MORE damage to the enemy team. People would be surpised how much just sustain is in the game, from lifesteal to regular heals to just standard sustain.

MrSlowDieDec 1, 20153 votes

I have built

item 3123

MonkeyKing Skarner

and built

item 3033

Gnar

not the best item, but hey, somebody need to stop swain and mundo from regenerating. And when I ask the adc to build it, they proceed to build lord dominik instead. And ofcourse lord dominik is inferior to mortal reminder that can deal 28,8% max health as TRUE damage over 12 seconds with the only requirement is attack mundo thrice.

SpecterVonBarenDec 1, 20152 votes

I saw the enemy team pick Mundo and Elise one time so I knew it would be top lane Mundo, I immediately lock in Trundle when its my pick turn and then start Longsword and B as soon as I have enough gold to finish EC and I work towards building Bork through the early game. Easy lane.

DengedenDec 1, 20152 votes

But - but you can stack Energize items!! That is so broken OP, we have to abuse that before Rito realizes how stupid they are! On a completely unrelated note, Mundo&co are way too freaking strong.

Masala ChaiDec 1, 20152 votes

Why are people complaining about taking Executioner's? When I didn't have Executioner's (I was building Runaan's as Twitch) we were 4 man ganking top lane when Mundo had overextended to Tier 2 turret, and would almost make it back to Tier 1 with Anivia and Braum. When I built Mortal Reminder, we were able to have a much easier time taking care of that slobbery mess. Even easier when I also built Giant Slayer right after that. (Mundo was the only one who won laning). So plz, just 800 gold, that's 2 kills and couple of cs for a long sword and GW.

CindikleDec 1, 20152 votes

Should just delete the effect form items and make a Flask.

Flask will apply it to all forms of damage you do while the Flask is active. Also increases armor/MR by 15(maybe 20?).

It's too niche of an effect to be tied to items IMO.

ThumpinDec 1, 20152 votes

And then there's the time I was playing as a fed Tristana, build calling, and Mundo still healed through my damage.

I feel like Lord Dominick's Regards would have been overall more useful in that game, as I had more things to kill than just a goddamn supertank Mundo.

Tik115Dec 1, 20152 votes

I think the issue here is Lord domonics is a better choice unless your enemy team is very reliant on self heal, many people will take up to 15% more damage to grievous since they think "Hey if its 1 or 2 people my AP teammates will deal with it and I can deal increased damage to the tanks"

People still don't seem to get that grievous helps dueling the other ADC

DanyojaDec 1, 20152 votes

It true was getting stomped by Swain top-lane as Nasus built a exe.C and proceeded to roll through him. G.W. is very powerful people just don't get it cause they tend to only focus on the biggest DPS numbers

DontBanMeImDrunkDec 1, 20151 votes

tbh, ex sucks. Spending 800 gold on that crap wont really be worth it till your third item ish, maybe fourth,

Ulquiorra995Dec 1, 201514 votes

Yeah, changing your build a bit to negate an enemy champions' strong point really sucks. I mean, how will you top damage graphs if you don't rush Shiv? I bet you are one of those people that go 0/5 and still go full damage, never giving a thought about altering their build.