According to champion.gg, she has a 56% win rate now. I'm not saying she needs nerfs. It's nice to see someone other than Soraka doing well as support. But I'm wondering what made her so good all of a sudden. As far as I know, she hasn't received any buffs for a long time.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
RiotMeddler6 votesWe've identified a few things that we believe have helped Leona out quite a bit in 6.13:
We've still got changes coming in 6.14 for her. Original intent of those changes was power neutral, given some of the buffs shipped without any of the nerfs would expect 6.14 to make her weaker than in 6.13. Not certain if that'll necessarily put her in the right spot or not though, systemic changes do seem to have been pretty kind to her, will need to keep an eye on how she does.
DeathBurst1 votesChanges that should have been in 6.14 that shipped early. Specifically, the root on E going to 0.5s from 0.25s and bonus attack range from Q going to 50 from 30.
This hasn't been documented in the patch notes. Will it be hotfixed like Sona E recently?
RiotMeddler6 votesWe've got two categories of hotfix bug. Those serious enough to justify the risk of a hotfix by themselves and those that are worth doing if a hotfix is already being done. Both the Sona bug and these Leona ones fall into the second category. In Sona's case we had a major hotfix to piggy back on at the right time, in Leona's case we haven't.
Mysticman891 votesShould there perhaps be an extra safety net/procedure put into place to try to prevent these premature feature ships?
Two times in a relatively short period is somewhat concerning, particularly where theres scenarios where buffs can be shipped without counterbalancing nerfs as in Leona here.
Miraweave1 votesWe've got two categories of hotfix bug. Those serious enough to justify the risk of a hotfix by themselves and those that are worth doing if a hotfix is already being done. Both the Sona bug and these Leona ones fall into the second category. In Sona's case we had a major hotfix to piggy back on at the right time, in Leona's case we haven't.
Buffing Fiora falls into the first category?
RottedApples1 votesand vlad.
Luna Ather Solis2 votesRiot i am confuse about this, when Leona was first release your argument about her having a passive that is ally dependent was to keep her from jungling, but that same reason made her somewhat of a weak top laner then a year later you release Sejuani whose kit is very identical to Leona both have gap closer AoE damage and range ult that can stun/slow with 350 base damage with 0.8 ap raito, but over the years you guys Nerf Leona to force to stay a support, so what was the purpose of releasing her has the first female tank only to degrade her into a support role i am not saying support role is bad i play support occasionaly,but this not only happen to Leona but to many champions, personally i don't like the fact that riot is nerfing champions to remove them from having multiple plays styles in a game just to fit the cancer meta which lacks diversity
Riot nerf Ekko base damage and buff his ap ratio because people was playing him has tank instead of ap assassin nope to diversity (i am not an ekko player)
Leona who is suppose to be tank is getting gutted into a support over and over until we reach patch 6.14 nope to diversity
this is a link to riot own youtube videos, an era before this cancer meta that has lasted far too long https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oViu5Pv_wwY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZDJqpFspmg
Luna Ather Solis2 votesRiot: we wanted to give Leona more to do when all her abilities is on Cd, so lets nerf all her base damage and give her utility on her ult which has the longest cool down, GREAT IDEA RIOT
oh wait those 3,4,5 AA from her ult have a 15% ap ratio guess what riot i wil start playing ap mid lane Leona very very often, are you gonna nerf that in patch 6.15 because you want her to stay a support
redfeenix1 votesHello sir, I don't know if your in charge of this part of League but I would love your 2 cents on:
Feels like this issue is becoming more prevalent with new champs and reworks. Thanks and have a great day
Edit: I also had this question regarding qss and hourglass, if you can find the time to reply
Thanks pal
Toplane Fencer6 votesPlease, don't go off-topic. This is someone else's thread.
redfeenix1 votesSorry but how else to make him read your thread
Decrit2 votesmake a different thread and in the title add @Meddler , usually this way rioters see if a thread is addressed to them.
They may not respond aniway, however. Probably they are busy or just don' t have an appropriate response/ is not their expertise.
Im just too OP1 votesMeddler. Have you ever thought, "I believe we should just leave this for a short time and let the champion have its 15days of glory?" No? Think about it man. Its pretty much annoying to see that u buff a weak champion and when all of a sudden it goes op, u just straight up nerf it back to its original place. So, I'd just like to say, let her have some fun for a while. You know, let her praise the sun with dignity. #smiley #nooffenceppl
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Im just too OP,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oon4PIXZ,comment-id=00080002,timestamp=2016-07-07T21:12:39.868+0000)
Meddler. Have you ever thought, "I believe we should just leave this for a short time and let the champion have its 15days of glory?"
Have been broken for awhile.
Dominick Destine1 votesWe've identified a few things that we believe have helped Leona out quite a bit in 6.13: XP changes. She's one of the more XP dependent supports, so increased XP access really helps her out. Changes that should have been in 6.14 that shipped early. Specifically, the root on E going to 0.5s from 0.25s and bonus attack range from Q going to 50 from 30. More good targets bot lane for her. Leona does well against squishy enchanter type supports and we've seen some increases in play rate for some of those in 6.13. We've still got changes coming in 6.14 for her. Original intent of those changes was power neutral, given some of the buffs shipped without any of the nerfs would expect 6.14 to make her weaker than in 6.13. Not certain if that'll necessarily put her in the right spot or not though, systemic changes do seem to have been pretty kind to her, will need to keep an eye on how she does.
Oh god no, Leona is going to get gutted. Sigh.
Hellpyre1 votesI've seen you saying a lot that the tooltip on Leona's Q was wrong, but as I recall it's said it lasted for 1.25 seconds since her release. Has it really been in error that long?
Death by Glamour2 votesMeta favours heavy engage, people have stopped playing the heavy peeling janna.
Edit also early game adcs are in meta right now. Combined with leona it can be similar to a kill lane
blfUvZ8Ybu2 votesYes she is op and boards talks without knowing again.
AnonymousPoro1 votesNah, she's just in meta right now.
zlumpy1 votesShe wins lane and this usually carries into a very snowballed ADC. It isn't so much she is OP (definitely strong but not op) more that other supports are just weaker. Look at a lane with someone like sona vs leona, odds are if both know how to play leona will still kill sona because sona is just that easy to kill (this was the extreme example). Now look at a lane with thresh vs leona. Both are tanky, have great CC, and arguably thresh will provide more teamplay benefits with lantern. Problem isn't with 1 champ but the entire champ catagory. Its why so many people are playing midlaners and top laners in the bot lane as support now. Also that last patch didn't really do much (from my perspective) for helping supports outside the healbots and a couple tanks. The bonus xp when dead thing was kind of a lame attempt to help initiators that seems to help the top laner all in more.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesLeona nerf on PBE.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesthey over buffed her
Jeddy0172 votesWhat are you talking about? She hasn't been directly touched in a while & her recent changes are still on the PBE.
If anything, it's probably all the indirect buffs such as the gold & XP changea as well as a shift in the meta favoring her.
ADepressedLeona1 votesHer laning phase can get quite oppressive if she gets even slightly ahead.
There are some changes coming the are gonna reduce her early game power but gear her towards mid-late game
AP Ezreal is OP1 votesBugged.
She has the PBE buffs without the PBE nerfs to come with it.
Basically, it's the Sona E bug again.
Decrit2 votesNot all the buffs, just minor timing buff that i can hardly tell to be the reason for this whole increase of power. as other said, it' s a combination of factors.
