Get rid of Kalista's slow

Cloud273·Feb 24, 2015·94 votes·3,221 views

The kiting with her passive is bad enough. She doesn't need 2 tools to help her kite.

36 Comments

Cloud273Feb 25, 20156 votes

I hope people aren't getting the wrong impression from this. I'm not saying that her passive is bad. Her passive is what makes her unique, and I think that's fine as is, but the slow is completely unnecessary. When you throw in the exhaust her support has, it makes her almost impossible to catch.

Rustling BushFeb 24, 20155 votes

Gnar

lojicianFeb 24, 20154 votes

Are you trying to suggest that gnar doesn't also have broken kiting?

Rustling BushFeb 24, 20156 votes

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Are you trying to suggest that gnar doesn't also have broken kiting?

i'm saying he does.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 24, 20155 votes

I think she needs to have some sort of CC in her kit, I think a better option would be to move the slow to her Q since that ability is kinda lackluster as it is now and putting her CC on a skillshot would make her more tolerable.

lojicianFeb 24, 201527 votes

...Why do you think she needs some sort of cc? Her whole gimmick is permakiting and chasing. Of all the champions in the game she probably needs cc the least.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 24, 20153 votes

Almost all champions have some form of CC in their kit and the ones that don't usually have have high burst, the only exception to that I can think of is Ezreal.

Kalista is a pain I agree, but I'm looking for more balanced nerfs. Putting her slow on her Q would make it single target, dependent on a skillshot, and not also attached to her main damage source so she would need to level it in order to improve the slow and that would cost damage in her E and W.

lojicianFeb 24, 201517 votes

Yeah, champions tend to have high cc or burst because they can't consistently put out their dps over extended periods of time. Kalista's passive completely solves that problem for her. She can continuously dps while kiting and chasing. I'm saying from a design perspective she is the champion in the game that probably least requires cc to do her job.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 25, 20153 votes

Very true.

JevelFaithfulFeb 25, 20151 votes

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Ezreal.

Who is... good a kiting (and sniping). Remiinds you of someone else who's good at kiting (and engaging/saving a teammate) and who also has decent burst once she has stacked her spears? ( a delayed burst of damage?)

I have to agree the slow just seems out of place. Or actually, I think the passive looks out of place. Kalista is 2 champions in one : a team carry and a selfish kiting carry.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 25, 20153 votes

Her passive is truly out of place in that it has absolutely nothing to do with what her main theme is supposed to be which is having an aothsworn that she works with to bring out her full potential.

JevelFaithfulFeb 25, 20152 votes

Just a tidbit, I read on the forum that they said her passive was actually the origin of her kit. So maybe it's the rest of the kit (ult, W, slow) that are out of place. The spear-stacking kinda fits with the kiting carry theme. Gameplay wise at least.

Also I'll give you that the passive is out of place. I sincerely beleive that too. but as long as it's there, the slow feels out of place with the passive. Or more precisely, it goes too well with it.

CaeziumFeb 25, 20151 votes

I guess it's supposed to make her a relentless spirit? That also can use it to avoid being caught...

Uh... Yeah you're right. I would expect this kind of hopping more from a different sort of champion.

OrbvFeb 25, 20153 votes

By God...every champion has CC except for Ezreal, that is crazy

CullensFeb 25, 20152 votes

not true, there is Yi, Kat, and mord

OrbvFeb 25, 20152 votes

I had a brain fart the size of Jupiter. But STILL only 4, that's remarkable.

The Red WardenFeb 26, 20152 votes

Morde is even more special though. He is the only champion in the game without cc or any time of mobility.

HandheldBrandonFeb 25, 20152 votes

Why does Vayne need CC? Her whole Gimmick is uncounterable true damage and tank busting and chasing.

Why does MF need CC her whole gimmick is high magic and physical damage.

Same logic different champions.

1st HanarSpectreFeb 25, 20153 votes

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I think she needs to have some sort of CC in her kit, I think a better option would be to move the slow to her Q since that ability is kinda lackluster as it is now and putting her CC on a skillshot would make her more tolerable.

You mean like an AoE knock-up? I got an idea, perhaps we could change her ult to give it a knock up! ...oh wait.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 25, 20152 votes

Her ult is entirely dependent on someone else actually using it though.

MarhsallLee67Feb 25, 20151 votes

Regardless of whether or not said person uses it the way the Kalista-player intended, it's still a way to save a teammate from certain death. As if Kalista wasn't already heavily unbalanced by her passive, she can also be the support to her support if she so desires.

JevelFaithfulFeb 25, 20151 votes

Yet, her kit allows it. And I'm pretty sure that in 75% of the times this ult is used. The Knock up is used on something close to the idea that Kalista had in the first place.

I Main SwainFeb 25, 20151 votes

don't forget she still has her ult. right now she has the cc of malphite (and the initiation capability), the damage of zed, the mobility of...well nobody because she has the most broken free dashes in the game, the poke of varus, the gank safety of teemo, and the ally bonus damage nuke of leona

SpecterVonBarenFeb 25, 20151 votes

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I think she needs to have some sort of CC in her kit, I think a better option would be to move the slow to her Q since that ability is kinda lackluster as it is now and putting her CC on a skillshot would make her more tolerable.

Suggests moving her slow to her Q. Get's downvoted into oblivion for it... -_-

AdeyemonFeb 25, 20151 votes

This is better than what is currently happening... In addition, she can have a non cd slow when you think about aa a creep and lane oppenent... Slow slow slow slow.., This would force the kalista to hit the ss... IN addition, there is a cd on q just saying. The only reason this got down voted is because "kalista is bad"

TeemoJenkinsFeb 24, 20152 votes

She's getting nerfed, read the patch notes, thanks.

DrCyanideFeb 24, 201511 votes

Go read said notes, and you'll find they don't change her slow at all.

JunkοFeb 24, 20151 votes

insert lists of champions that can kite and have more than 1 thing that allows them to

HandheldBrandonFeb 25, 20151 votes

This just goes to show that people can't be satisfied even when you give them what they wanted.

Kalista's passive is getting nerfed so no more fucking complaining.

LyraSonaFeb 25, 20151 votes

She's fine and always has been fine. Her jump is balanced because she has to be attacking a target in order to do it. Plus, lots of Kalistas just go jump crazy, leading the passive to being an actual weakness.

Remlap1223Feb 25, 20151 votes

Honestly, I think grievous wounds on E would be cool.

terribledreamPTFeb 25, 20151 votes

Have you tried playing her in the support role? It's actually awesome. She has free vision, her damage scales with your lanning partner if you target the same champion, her Spears can slow the enemy and her ult is great to bail out the ads if he gets ganked =)

Myles JTFeb 25, 20151 votes

I say they make Kalista basically the opposite of Ashe. Ashe has no mobility, but a lot of cc, so Kalista should have tons of mobility as she has now and no cc at all.

DHKanyFeb 26, 20151 votes

That and I wish they got rid of the %HP damage for her sentinel passive (just blatantly tacked on and has no thematic or balance purpose other than "she needs to scale into lategame cause ADC").