Tank Fiora is officially dead this patch

Something I found funny is that, even without HP items to back it up, as of patch 6.5 or below titanic hydra did more dmg overall than ravenous... that damn active is so good.

Because they totally didn't have lategame tanky items did they

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the old Fiora build before the Rework was :

anyone knows if it will work right now?

Fiora mostly needs to stack AD as much as possible now to get her scaling up. Maybe just a little tank like Sterak's, Maw, or Spirit Visage would help with burst/lifesteal potential.. She's also going to need more CDR than normal to help keep her abilities up since her tankiness has gone down. (PERSONAL OPINION)

I think the best (well rounded) Fiora build after this patch will be this: Gives a lot of AD, 40%CDR, Ton of Lifesteal, and a little MR/tank.

Tankier but still good dps option (What i'll likely build): Gives a little less AD (but still good), 30% CDR, but gives you a lot of burst protection with some nice MR/tank.

If you want to go full glass canon (Leeroy Jenkins build): Max AD, 40% CDR, and tons of Lifesteal. Who needs defense anyway?

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At least when she kills you post patch, you'll still be able to drop her extremely quickly as well (unless she parries something important)

assuming she doesnt still build similarly. People often assume its just the champion and not their own fault for why they lose. At a certain point the dunning krugger wears off. Oh who am I kidding this is boards.

I think Riot considers Irelia a "diving fighter"

actually believe it or not yasuo was originally intended to be built as a bruiser, not full damage.

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Because Fiora, like Yi, Tryndamere, and Yasuo, belongs to an archetype of Fighter, the "Light Fighter" or "mADC". They're supposed to build full damage like an ADC and be squishy, but due to being melee have some sort of defensive steroid. Yi has Meditation, Tryndamere has Undying Rage, Yasuo has WW and Passive. Fiora has Parry & Riposte and he ultimate as her defensive steroids.

Irelia is not among this archetype and is a full on Fighter or "Bruiser".

That feel when you think you know what you're talking about...

...and Yi's primarily an assassin, not a fighter.

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Because Fiora, like Yi, Tryndamere, and Yasuo, belongs to an archetype of Fighter, the "Light Fighter" or "mADC".

Fiora did belong to that archetype pre-rework. Fiora does not belong to that archetype post-rework.

Also, concerning light fighters: Tryndamere, Yasou, and Master Yi all want to build critical strike chance very badly - they also want %Armor penetrations to take their physical damage to the next level: or avoid being rendered obsolete by tanky targets. At least outside of Devourer-tank Yi. All 3 also want some investment in %AS.

As-is Fiora doesn't really want any offensive stat beyond AD. Fiora's Lunge AA resets make %AS about as appealing to her as %AS is to Riven. Fiora's Bladework prevents critical strike chance from doing anything, making crit generally pretty useless on her. Fiora's passive renders armor penetration largely obsolete.

Pre-Reowork Fiora's pure-physical kit was hard-countered by armor stacking, causing armor penetration to be a huge concern. Pre-rework Fiora also had an amazing combo of AD and %AS steroids: taking her AA power to the next level in a way that synergized very well with an AD+AS+ArPen+Crit build path.

Now Fiora does not synergize with those things, lacking even the incentive to run AD+ArmorPen builds that Talon and Zed run with.

When you consider the longer you survive the more damage you get to deal, defense does technically scale with offense. Killing things fast so you take less damage also technically scales with defense: but late-game Fiora's 4-hit ult does not kill things quickly given the complete lack of time-investment everyone else needs for their OHKO QWER combo.

And again, in Fiora's case: %AS, Crit, and armor Pen do pretty much nothing for her while defense is a very real secondary multiplier for her overall power. Especially considering restoring 50 HP technically restores 100 HP when you have 50% damage reduction, allowing Fiora's passive and ultimate to actually scale pretty well with armor/MR in tandem with AD.

They're supposed to build full damage like an ADC and be squishy, but due to being melee have some sort of defensive steroid. Yi has Meditation, Tryndamere has Undying Rage, Yasuo has WW and Passive. Fiora has Parry & Riposte and he ultimate as her defensive steroids.

One of the awesome parts of LoL is that you can play any champion in any lane with any item with any mastery settup with any rune settup with any skill-rank order with any item settup with any summoner spell settup.

Main advantage is such a system encourages Riot to make champions like Nautilus, Zed, and Thresh that really fullfill the fantasy players want within a specific archetype. Because if there kit doesn't fullifll the fantasy: you build them how they're mathematically the best in competitive play, not how they were meant to be played.

Obviously this also comes with the disadvantage that if Riot makes a champion scale better with an off-build than their inteded build, there archetype and play-style will effectively change to be that off-build.

Irelia is not among this archetype and is a full on Fighter or "Bruiser".

Irelia has true-damage on-hit with her auto-attacks. Fiora has true-damage on-hit with her auto-attacks. Irelia has in-built on-hit sustain. Fiora has in-built on-hit sustain. Irelia has a conditional short-ranged stun. Fiora has a conditional short-ranged stun. Irelia has the potential to dive twice at an opponent. Fiora has the potential to dive twice at an opponent. Irelia is more resistant to CC effects than most. Fiora is more resistant to CC effects than most. Irelia's ultimate allows for a ton of sustain when nuking enemy champions. Fiora's ultimate allows for a ton of sustain when nuking enemy champions. Irelia's dash applies on-hit effects like Sheen. Fiora's dash applies on-hit effects like Sheen. Irelia wants to survive long enough in melee-range to get off a solid number of auto-attacks. Fiora wants to survive long enough in melee-range to get off a solid number of auto-attacks.

Fiora simply isn't a light-fighter. Fiora is also more similar to Irelia than Fiora is similar to any other champion, especially the likes of Yi, Trynd, or Yasou. Fiora wants to do the same things Irelia does in the same lane Irelia goes with a build catering to a similar play-style, play-pattern, and overall niche. That effectively makes Fiora a tanky DPS bruiser just like Irelia - whether anyone wants her to be a light fighter or not, Fiora is objectively a bruiser at the moment: with or without the upcoming nerfs.

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Because Fiora, like Yi, Tryndamere, and Yasuo, belongs to an archetype of Fighter, the "Light Fighter" or "mADC". They're supposed to build full damage like an ADC and be squishy, but due to being melee have some sort of defensive steroid. Yi has Meditation, Tryndamere has Undying Rage, Yasuo has WW and Passive. Fiora has Parry & Riposte and he ultimate as her defensive steroids.

Irelia is not among this archetype and is a full on Fighter or "Bruiser".

One of the beefiest, most obnoxious bruiser/tanks in the game. Consider how effective tryn's W is in teamfights and Spirit Visage if he ever gets poked. He does not die and if he ever might he has Undying Rage. Basically 2.0!

100% scaling thooo...right?? c:

To be fair, I don't see how elo correlates with logic. Just because you're bronze doesn't mean you can't be right. Meddler did say they'd be looking into Maw, however. I agree with a lot of people when they say Steraks should be melee only, as well.