old Ryze was unacceptable but shit like Yi, Tryndamere, Kaisa, and Yasuo is completely fine

ALL MłGHT··11 votes·4,816 views

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The brief trade and he does nearly 600 true damage? Even if I was full build and tanky how is this okay? It is appalling that Riot straight fucks Ryze year after year, I'm sure you guys have seen my other rant posts, without any hesitation regardless if he's actually doing well or not. As long as streamers like Hashinshin and Cowsep keep crying that their champion isn't that good meaning that they aren't getting pentas like they used to then Riot will buff their types of champions.

Hashinshin complained about Bruisers not being able to fight tanks which resulted in the abomination Conqueror rune. Now every fucking AD fighter takes Conqueror and does 1/5 true damage THAT WAS INTENDED TO FIGHT TANKS because that was the source of the complaint. But no, not only does Conqueror work well on tanks but it works well on everything else. There isn't anything that gates Conqueror either, there are no CDs or conditions. All you have to do is be auto attacking which every AD fighter already does. This is what mob mentality does. Hashinshin says that bruisers suck because they can't kill tanks. NOW, Hashinshin says bruisers still suck because they aren't being picked in LCS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDfJJzHl3fc&t=313s Bruisers are incessantly picked in solo Q but being good in solo Q doesn't make them great in organized play. It's crazy how the champions that Hashinshin plays are DECENT compared to other champions that are ACTUALLY neglected. Fucking Faker picked Aatrox mid today versus Ryze and just shit on Ucal. But since Hashinshin is crying that Bruisers suck he must be fucking right. Fuck you Hashinshin. If you want to watch an actually good informative streamer watch Boxer Pete.

While Hashinshin complains about being outplayed while playing Jax, who he's been playing for who knows how many seasons, champions like Ryze, Azir, and Kalista aren't being picked in LCS anymore and are dumpstered in solo Q. They're not even being pick/banned in games anymore in this split. After direct Ryze nerfs, after tear nerfs, after assassin BUFFS Riot STILL HASN'T compensated Ryze et all. I just read patch 8.13 patch notes and saw the Irelia changes. Note I said CHANGES, not nerfs. She has greater presence in LCS than Ryze, Azir, and Kalista combined but fuck that right? Steraks was NERFED and she was still performing exceptionally. This MUST mean that maybe she is better than other bruisers. But no, new champions get dissected to find a different solution to the evident solution. I predict nothing will change for Irelia besides her later game (notice I don't say the non existent late game) will be much better. They also buffed Tryndamere. Was he struggling after the crit changes? Aw poor thing, it's not like he was performing exceptionally well with conqueror or anything. Conqueror -> true damage, new crit -> 15% true damage on crits, ignite was buffed a couple patches ago -> more true damage. But no, Tryndamere needs a buff. I've watched Foggedftw2 for quite some time now and he plays the champions MUCH differently than lower elo Trynds. He calculates everything precisely and plays the game at the upmost efficiency. I have seen him take the non-crit patch multiple times which makes me wonder why they would buff Trynd if he has alternate build paths that are viable. Same goes for Yasuo and Riot Blaustoise's biased compensation buff. The one day when Yasuo was ACTUALLY bad they need to buff him to please his player base. People just love slip and sliding on the champion doing true damage, and now even more true damage with the crit items and his recent buffs. I'm just sick and tired of this kind of bullshit.

I was going to talk about Kai'sa but I really don't give a shit anymore. I've been begging for any sort of Ryze recognition for months now but Riot is too busy making new disgustingly strong champions that don't even give opportunities for retaliation. Give me a call when they buff any part of Ryze, I wont believe you until I see it.

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bbQsauçe3 votes

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ALL MłGHT1 votes

Hashinshin is the god of league of legends. Whatever he says must be true right? /s

Z3Sleeper1 votes

What does any of this have to do with Hashinshin?

ALL MłGHT1 votes

He has influenced mob mentality with several recent changes. He was a meme, said some agreeable things, and then became the source of balance change. You seem awfully out of the loop.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Well don't draw assumptions mate. You have no evidence that that player was quoting Hashinshin's preachings.

In fact, I don't think I've ever heard him talk about pro play, he usually just whines about whoever kills him the most.

The guy is definitely skilled though, he's bopped me before afterall, so he usually ends up being right if he feels he honestly can't do much against a certain champ.

ALL MłGHT1 votes

If you watched the video I linked, within the first 4 min he talks about pro play.

Vedagr3 votes

In that clip you literally walked up to him for .3 seconds and didn't snare or do anything, letting him get in melee range and whack on you like his full build, incredibly squishy champ is. I'm not saying its fun but neither is ryze doing more than your half your health with a low cooldown high range nuke. Stop complaining and play better, then you might actually have a case.

ALL MłGHT2 votes

First, I had no vision and I also had to get sweeper since our support didn’t want to. Second, I didn’t know he was going to re-gain some health in the brief moment he was in the bush. Third, I had after shock that grants me 108 armor and MR in that moment that he blew through. Fourth, Ryze nuke is conditional meaning he has to place E and land Q but that only happens when Ryze is full build with everything stacked which I rarely ever get to do. When I do get to late game everything does so much damage that I have to opt to semi tanky builds for sustained damage. But you seem to know more than me about Ryze so you are probably right. Fifth, I did snare him but I didn’t have vision in the bush. Once I shared him I gained my resistances from After shock but it didn’t matter.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Shame on, face checking a bush... without taking Yi spells/skills in account.

Yeah, Yi is a stupid champ, and need to be reworked. Conqueror have nothing to do with what's he did on your first video. you played the move badly, thats all.

ALL MłGHT1 votes

Face-checking would be if I didn’t know if anyone was in the bush or not. I knew he was in there. The issue with Yi is that he was buffed directly and indirectly a couple patches ago. Unnecessary buffs because Cowsep and like cry that they cannot get Pentas that easy. There were other topics besides conqueror in the post but i see you didn’t read and put two and two together.

RyzeTheSmurfMage2 votes

I understand you. I wish they would stop nerfing blue boi. A solution would be reverting his ult or make it a damaging one so he is easier to balance, but I doubt Riot would do it because "Muh LC$ PLAYZZZZZ" . Also Hasinshin also complained about Ryze's point and click root when he got W E Q and killed by Ryze when having like 200 health lmao.

ALL MłGHT1 votes

I thought about incorporating that clip but I couldn't find it. Patch after patch, dev blog after dev blog Riot still doesn't say shit about Ryze

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Old Ryze could root you for over 5 seconds straight. Not to mention the root was targeted as well. None of those champions in that list can do anything nearly as busted as that.

ALL MłGHT1 votes

Aw so you couldn’t dash 3 times as Akali for once? Poor thing.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Very well thought out and relevant response to my comment gj

Bârd2 votes

Old Ryze was a mobile ranged tanky DPS with a root.

All of this was point and click with short CD's.

None of this actually took skill to do, and he was just complete faceroll.

Netorare1 votes

Problematic champions will always be problematic because riot doesn't want to take the problem out and they keep ignoring everyone that is right...

ALL MłGHT1 votes

When they reworked him all they had to do was focus on altering his W but instead they kept his W and literally changed everything else

Madsin251 votes

Nice rant and I 100% agree but ryze is not really that weak right now. Infact he is in my opinion pretty dam strong.

Sure he has a 44% WR but you have to look deeper than that. The best ryzes in the world have an average winrate of 58%.

Wanna know who else has an average winrate of 58%? Kaisa.

ALL MłGHT4 votes

So you're comparing the best Ryze in the world win rate to average Kai'sa win rate.

How strong do you think Ryze is since you seem to be quite knowledgeable about him. Is he as strong as, lets say, Vladimir?

The best Ryze in the world plays at a level where the team with the less cooperation/teamwork loses.

Danjeng3 votes

As a 1 million mastery point Ryze main.

"Ryze is super strong in the right hands" is something I see all the time on Boards. No shit. Any champion in the game can be strong in the right hands. Otherwise it wouldn't be the right hands. There's no secret hidden power of Ryze. There's no super crazy combo that only the pros do. Obviously after playing hundreds or even thousands of games on a champ will bring experience on the champ. But in the end, his skill ceiling isn't especially high. There's only so much you can actually do on Ryze.

Seriously though, the "Ryze is actually really good in high elo" belief needs to be dispelled. Any champion can be played well. It's just that you need more effort for some. Also cut the balancing team some slack. There's about 140 champs now and a bunch of items and runes to balance.

In conclusion, Ryze isn't as strong as non-mains make him out to be, but not as trash as you seem to think he is. He's a decent pick that requires effort. Weaker than he is strong right now, but still viable.

Madsin251 votes

The differences in winrates at the highest level of play is actually insane.

There are glaring differences between certain champs but trying to say ryze is one of the bad champs is just spewing bullshit.

Madsin251 votes

Kaisa doesn't have an avg winrate of 58%. You are delusional for even thinking that.

I was talking about the BEST Kaisas just like Ryze. The best players have the exact same winrate across the two champs.

Ryze is just as fucking strong in high elo as kaisa. Don't try to sell me your gold-plat level bullshit. If your not good with the champ that is YOUR fault.

The highest level players have already proven how good they can be.

ALL MłGHT1 votes

I'm literally taking what you're saying. I never said Kai'sa has a 58% win rate. I don't know anything about the champions win rate. What I do know is that Ryze's win rate in plat + averages out to be 44-46%.

Ryze's ult and W are the only reason why he is viable in higher elo. I would like to say it is pretty much only his ult but W is a powerful set up.

What you're suggesting is that Ryze is okay because the best players (meaning the players that frequently play him and do well) and balancing should be around those best players?

stfüleavemealone1 votes

god i miss old ryze, and old raka. but im so sick of seeing yasuo, even tho i play yi alot :c

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

How Fed was the Yi in that first clip?

ALL MłGHT1 votes

I believe he was 12/8. I built glacial shroud and Aftershock gave me 108 armor and MR that he went right through not to mention how much health I had.

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