20 bans doesn't seem like a bad idea right now

ALL MłGHT·Jun 23, 2018·40 votes·12,797 views

each person gets to ban their personally hated champion and an OP meta champion since there is like 4 OP meta champion in each lane

42 Comments

hhaavviikkJun 23, 201828 votes

maybe if we actually HAD 10 bans it wouldn't be so bad but instead you get anywhere from 5 to 10 bans since the enemy team, for some stupid reason, can ban the same champions

GripaAviaraJun 23, 20187 votes

Yeah, I totally agree. They need to add 10 unique bans.

They say they want ranked to look like competitive scene, yet the competitive scene gets 10 unique bans

ChaddyFantomeJun 23, 20183 votes

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maybe if we actually HAD 10 bans it wouldn't be so bad but instead you get anywhere from 5 to 10 bans since the enemy team, for some stupid reason, can ban the same champions

The purpose of bans isn't to "remove op champs from the game" specifically. It's to block poor matchups or champs you don't wanna face, not remove as many champs from the game as possible...

SaibboJun 23, 20181 votes

Which in this s - t meta doesn't matter at all, you practically don't ban a bad matchup or counter anymore, you just bad the most bs champ that's in the meta in your lane or in the game.

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 20185 votes

Right, but there aren’t any poor matchups anymore if there are overwhelming amount of top tier champions

RainXBladeJun 23, 20184 votes

It's to block poor matchups or champs you don't wanna face

Yasuo

Z3SleeperJun 23, 20182 votes

Remember LCK 2017? It was legitimately teams priority banning the most OP champions.

It was more like red side was banning op champs but leaving 3 open that way blue can pick one and red can pick 2.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 24, 20181 votes

Well there is no other choice when riot full r word games doesn't do shit about broken champs and they just pile up.

Somebody Love MeJun 23, 20189 votes

I just think double banning shouldn't be a thing. During the ban phase, we should be able to see everyone's bans simultaneously so we can ban accordingly.

RyrynounetJun 23, 20182 votes

and then bait the enemy team for the last sec or bait them to dodge hmmm

SleepcomaJun 23, 20188 votes

so you could ban all of one role? 10 is getting there, but 20 is way too much

Slythrin UmbreonJun 23, 20182 votes

Would be ~~funny~~interesting to see players deal with that, though. But I think he means 20 bans total, so this would almost require both teams to work together unless they go after ADC. I thought maybe support, but yeah there are more of those now.

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 201811 votes

First, that would mean that both teams would need to ban every single champion in a role. Second, the only role with close to 20 champions is ADCs which consists of 21 champions considered ADCs. Third, no one in their right mind would ban an entire role for the sake of doing so, the point is to ban out intolerable meta champions

Troll for TrumpJun 23, 20184 votes

LCS might

ModCaptainMårvelousJun 23, 20181 votes

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so you could ban all of one role? 10 is getting there, but 20 is way too much

10 would be fine considering the cast is at 140+. I'd even be fine with 12.

But banning almost 20% of the cast? lmao.

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 20181 votes

I’m sorry but your math is entirely wrong especially if you tried to estimate. 20% of 141 is 28.2. What I am suggesting is 14% of the roster.

ModCaptainMårvelousJun 23, 20181 votes

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I’m sorry but your math is entirely wrong especially if you tried to estimate. 20% of 141 is 28.2. What I am suggesting is 14% of the roster.

All Might, of all people, I didn't think -you- would propose such villainy.

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 20181 votes

Young Midor.....err....Marvelous I don't think you understand what true villainy is yet

SwiftKitten88Jun 23, 20182 votes

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so you could ban all of one role? 10 is getting there, but 20 is way too much

if you have to auto ban an entire role.. then maybe it is an indication to riot they should address it?

if an entire role it autobanned i would say that is fantastic.. because then at least riot would be FORCED to address it

ElohavenJun 23, 20186 votes

20 bans is a bad idea.

10 unique bans? Now that's a fairly good idea

Super SayajhinJun 23, 20183 votes

wait what, this sounds dumb. remember when you could only ban 3 champions, and only the bottom 3 people in champ select. Riot has blessed us. Now we each get to ban our most hated character, hoping our other team mates aren't brain dead and do useful bans. although i feel like banning no one shouldn't be a option.

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 201813 votes

explain how this is dumb. There are 141 champions so 20 bans isn't that detrimental. This would open the meta up even more by allowing champions that usually don't see gameplay actually be viable.

Automated RivenJun 23, 20181 votes

Crutching viability on bans is terrible balance.

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 20183 votes

Riot refuses to do anything

IkOermanJun 23, 20181 votes

And alas, here we are.

Malix FarwinJun 24, 20182 votes

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explain how this is dumb. There are 141 champions so 20 bans isn't that detrimental. This would open the meta up even more by allowing champions that usually don't see gameplay actually be viable.

Adding 20 bans would just be a bandaid fix which would eventually turn into ban the current strongest champs everytime. Even if they were able to somehow get balance within 1% this will be the case everytime. 5 bans make you think on what to ban, 10 does not.

We went from 3-5 recently and you want to jump to double when we have not gained double the amount of champs since then. The next order of business should be blocking duplicate bans and that won't be till we get at least 10-20 more champs.

Whining about it now means that we may not get it later when we really need it because they will just come to the conclusion that no matter how many bans we give players they will complain.

My Waifu VanillaJun 23, 20183 votes

Or you can learn to play against the meta? Adding more bans doesn't do anything besides kick the stick down the street. Instead of complaining about the 3rd best mid laner you're just going to complain about the 7th best that got through. Say instead of banning the top 20 champions we just remove them completely. Now whoever was sitting at 21 will be #1 of the new format. It doesn't actually solve any problems since there is ALWAYS going to be the "best" thing left open. Outside of Irelia in higher elo games there isn't a single champion that needs to be permabanned. No one is blatantly overpowered and rocking a like 60%+ winrate.

ninjaroxasJun 23, 20181 votes

Just because you know how to do something doesn't mean you like doing it

GayFluffyUnicornJun 24, 20181 votes

Champs that need to be permabanned: Graves, irelia, vlad, rakan, fiddle, morgana, talijah (if she hasnt been hotfixed by now?)

And then there is also zoe and lucian and xin zhao and a few others that are so blatantly out of hand right now.

Winrate doesn't mean shit.

My Waifu VanillaJun 24, 20181 votes

Should totally just permaban the likes of fiddlesticks with his 52% WR 10% PR. Just ruining and 1v9ing every game right? Except he isn't.

Don't even get me started on Vlad who LOSES more games than he wins in plat+. Is he good in pro? Yeah. But if you're banning vlad in solo queue it should arguably be so your own team doesn't pick him. Statistics DO matter as they DO determine whether or not your ban is "worth it". You are statistically better off IN 98%+ of games (anything below high diamond/masters), letting Vladimir through and playing against it than banning it for them to pick something else.

Eye Of TerrorJun 24, 20183 votes

I would go for 40 bans

BlynxJun 23, 20182 votes

Yes, and can Riot give us all a free ban and just auto ban Irelia as well?

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 20185 votes

auto ban irelia, zed, and kaisa and we're good

BLACK REALM GODJun 23, 20182 votes

some days i wish there was a game mode where both teams drafted their opponents champs instead of banning them.

Iceborn PippinJun 23, 20181 votes

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some days i wish there was a game mode where both teams drafted their opponents champs instead of banning them.

Would make for interesting LCS matches.

BladeSingularityJun 23, 20183 votes

Nemesis Draft was pretty much that. Only seen it once or twice though.

GrokmirJun 24, 20182 votes

What we need is 10 bans per player and anytime there is a duplicate ban and if there is a main of that champion in the game, they have a 10% chance per ban of their champ to be permabanned on the spot.

100% will fix the meta, the game, and the resports.

Silent PaceJun 23, 20181 votes

I miss when we could ban whatever we want plus the one or two OP champions. Now everything is either OP or annoying, example of the bans I generally make: Singed Camille Irelia Taliyah Talon Fizz Tryndamere Yasuo Example of the bans I want to make but can't because everything is broken: Thresh Blitzcrank Rakan Pyke Fiddlesticks Morgana Yasuo

ALL MłGHTJun 23, 20181 votes

Every game I ban Irelia but I also need to ban Zed because my team mates typically don’t know how to play against him and they certainly won’t ban him because they ban what they’re afraid to play against. When I ban Irelia I don’t ban her because she’s a bad match up for me I ban her because she is EXTREMELY strong right now and would be useful to my team to not have to face her. But nonetheless my team mates have selfish bans.

NhifuJun 24, 20181 votes

Or go with the old starcraft brood war way of balancing.

Make everything OP

Modl Ryden lJun 24, 20181 votes

Next thing you know, there's another set of 10 permabanned champs that the community would make a post to ask for 30 bans not being such a bad idea at the moment.