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Zed and any AD melee assassins have had continuous indirect buff since beginning of season 6

ALL MłGHT··54 votes·12,065 views
  • Removal of pink wards
  • Duskblade (and its several reworks)
  • reduction of vision via removal of sight stone and simplification of support items
  • removal of green jungle item
  • constant fine tuning of lethality items
  • direct buffs to champions (not QoL shit) (mostly Zed) "lets try to get him into worlds to sell skins team"
  • buff ignite ( I know it doesn't only affect assassins but assassins are the ones that usually take it)
  • nerf heal
  • LDR -> total armor pen
  • new storm razor item
  • nerfing wave clear mages in the midlane via direct nerfs (mana nerfs or w/e) AND runes that wave clear mages use (dematerliazer): take a look at what they did to viktor, Ryze, Taliyah etc.
  • Kha'zix gets to dominate with evolved R for MONTHS, Rengar reverted, LB reverted, Zed buffed 3 times in a row, Yasuo hotfixed on day 1 (lol)
  • electrocute is infinitely better than thunderlords - INFINITELY BETTER
  • assassin rune tree remains nearly untouched and added to while other trees lag behind

to me it seems like they really want assassins this year at worlds. I certainly won't be watching because I already get to see Zed or LB in most of my games

100 Comments

Anin77737 votes

This has to be a joke. You really can't be serious. Over the past 3 seasons, supports have gotten buffs to their heals/shields/CC. If an assassin kills you in s8, either he's overfed/you got caught out/you weren't with supp. Literally so many items to deny assassins. Locket, redemption, Knight's vow, Ardent, etc. And not to even talk about your team's cc. The so-called "indirect buff" is simply coincidence.

DeusVult10 votes

That means that Assassins have to catch someone out of position, or wait until some CDs are blown to do their job.

I don't know what it is with assassin players who think that just because they have a ton of damage and all of their CDs are up mean that they can dive into the middle of the enemy team during a fight and completely melt 1 person who is being protected by multiple people with things like the supports skills, exhaust and item actives.

ALL MłGHT10 votes

I love how the pro-assassin rhetoric is all about supports and bot lane.

AmazoX1 votes

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I love how the pro-assassin rhetoric is all about supports and bot lane.

Because it is, think a little.

Shleelpboy3 votes

Let's talk about how assassins can one shot Supports even with their buffs.

Friendly Loli1 votes

exhuast btw

Ayzev16 votes

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  • new storm razor item

No assassin builds it.

BLIGHTBRINGER5 votes

You're kidding right lol? Almost every assassin does, for that massive Crit AA to finish someone off.

Ayzev10 votes

A Zed build that includes Stormrazor - only 2.3% popularity https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items/zed

Talon - 4.7% https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items/talon

Shaco - 1.5% https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items/shaco

Kha'zix - somewhere below 1.5% https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items/khazix

Only Rengar seems to kind of like it, and even then most builds don't include it https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items/rengar

Zed genius3 votes

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No assassin builds it.

Hey items make assassins broken even when they do not even buy them. Like how MAW+GA+Death's Dance rush makes zed broken? Yeah

bbQsauçe11 votes

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ALL MłGHT3 votes

Explain what makes this delusional

bbQsauçe3 votes

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ALL MłGHT3 votes

Okay, then make an unbiased list on how Assassin's have been slowly, indirectly buffed over the course of 2 seasons.

WhatIsDamage1 votes

He can't, won't fit his narrative to actually do anything but say others are wrong.

FilDaFunk10 votes

Since you said it twice in a row, I will correct you. Electrocute isn't INFINITELY better than thunderlord's as Thunderlord's didn't have an effectiveness of 0.

Who Fed Ru10 votes

So for some reason it's fine when some champions run around the rift with 54% winrate;

Anivia that has had over 53% winrate for more than a season gets instantly buffed the moment she dropped to 51% because she is "struggling" with the mana changes. She is back at 53% now btw;

The jungle is still broken and the last changes just made it so that some junglers are completely useless and others a free win (Khazix is not one of them if you haven't noticed already);

But god forbid any Assassin to have slightly over 50% winrate just once.

Just ask yourself why they need to get "buffed". You only say what good has come to them over the last seasons. What you forget are things like item 2419 item 3190 item 3504 (+ all Shield supports having been broken for over a season) Do you really want another season full of Janna Lulu item 3504 being free win in SoloQ plus Competitive. Because THAT is broken. And I didn't see Assassins doing well during that whole time.

I still dunno why people think it's fine that some champions are allowed to be strong for seasons, but once AD Assassins are just slightly on the stronger side "NERF THAT SHIT".

ALL MłGHT5 votes

I 100% disagree with Anivia buffs that they’re giving. I hate that champion.

I don’t think you understood the message I am trying to send in my post. I am not talking about supports, I can make the same sort of post about them if I wanted to. However if you nerf the current state of disengage supports the true potential of assassins will be revealed. My original post was to show how frequent and impactful indirect buffs to assassins have bin. Removal of sight stone was a huge for me. I loved building that item when I played any other role besides support just so we could have extra vision. But Riot wanted to axe that. I 100% disagreed with the pink ward changes and the camp/invisibility changes. There was clear counter play back then but now it’s just “lets let Rengar get away” or “okay Akali gets to sit in her shroud until her CDs get up”

i never flame xd10 votes

You got shit on by a Zed in your last game and now you make a post about it? lol

Bro, assassins have been in a decent spot for 4 or 5 patches, not since the beginning of Season 8. Not only, that but AD Assassins have been garbage half season 6 and the whole season 7. What the fuck are you on about? Stop spewing lies cause you are delusional as fuck,

ALL MłGHT5 votes

No, you have it completely wrong. I get shit on assasssins EVERY SINGLE GAME. I don’t think you entirely understood the post. Assassins have been good for a couple patches, maybe, but for 2 seasons Riot has slowly implemented changes that benefit assassins more than any other class, such as removal of vision and buffing ignite. Those examples also benefit other classes but benefit assassins the most. Does that make any sense?

i never flame xd4 votes

but for 2 seasons Riot has slowly implemented changes that benefit assassins more than any other class, such as removal of vision and buffing ignite.

Literally what?

Bro, Riot has been caring for bot lane for 2 whole seasons. What are you talking about? Massive buffs to supports and overpowered support items. Also, every single ADC that came out during that period had some form of peel. Assassins have been garbage all this time. They finally become decent for 4 patches and here you are crying on boards. Removal of vision happened at season 6. Assassins have been bad ever since with a few exceptions and for a small number of patches. Ignite got buffed a couple patches ago. And no, Riot has not been implementing changes that cater towards Assassins. If you think that removing some form of vision and buffing ignite is favoring Assassins, then I can't imagine what you 'll have to say about the item and champion changes in bot lane.

ALL MłGHT4 votes

Stop being hysterical. The bot lane argument is a whole topic on its own. I am not going to waste my time with you qq’ing about bot lane.

i never flame xd2 votes

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ALL MłGHT2 votes

Explain my delusion though. You cannot just slander me but not explain why I am wrong and you are right.

TEA Nietzsche 1 votes

I get shit on assasssins EVERY SINGLE GAME.

You're so close to the truth and yet so far.

Akali is SO HOT7 votes

I like how op just made a list of the small buffs to Assassins, but then left out everything else that majorly screwed them over from the past 5 seasons. High quality post right there.

WhatIsDamage1 votes

Everything that screwed them over such as? High quality reply I guess

Thefrostyviking6 votes

I´ve been enjoying myself quite a bit.

After i got depressed enough from realizing there would be assassins every game making me more or less unable to play Ashe (no pings&peel in soloq or normals)making it rather ridiculously difficult to play a immobile marksman, i decided to take the fight to the source of all those constantly roaming pests.

My pick of choice, Lissandra .

Now i get to watch those LB´s and Fizz'es tear their hair out in frustration when they realize they cant burst me, and that i can kill them if they keep trying to fight^^

Even got to bully a Yasuo, good times.

Handin Out Naps6 votes

XD

HateDaddy6 votes

Let’s assume all of this is true, ignoring the subjective nature of most of it. Half of these things you have mentioned are indirect buffs to any damage dealing champion, not just AD assassins (and you’re grossly incorrect regarding heals/shields since they’ve become more plentiful). Seems to me most of your reasoning is just twisted and warped logic that ignores the obvious flaws to cater to a certain type of player. Hmmmmm

ALL MłGHT3 votes

Seems to me most of your reasoning is just twisted and warped logic that ignores the obvious flaws to cater to a certain type of player

This looks like a copy+paste out of a "What not to say" in a debate course text book.

I stated a couple times that some of the indirect buffs do not only affect assassins but majority were installed for assassins, such as vision reduction, duskblade, ignite etc.

HateDaddy4 votes

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This looks like a copy+paste out of a "What not to say" in a debate course text book.

I stated a couple times that some of the indirect buffs do not only affect assassins but majority were installed for assassins, such as vision reduction, duskblade, ignite etc.

It doesn’t matter, it st what ol benefits any champion that does damage. In addition, you keep saying “indirect buffs” but yet you argue majority were installed for, or in other words: direct buffs. Keep on digging away boss.

ALL MłGHT3 votes

I guess I need to clarify what I mean by indirect. I say indirect in terms of buffs that not only affect them but other champions as well. For example the buff to Last Whisperer was supposed to be for ADCs but effects assassins greatly. The nerf to pink wards effects invisibility champions but was a buff to anti-vision dependent champions like Kha'zix or Zed that wait in a bush or require absence of vision to roam efficiently.

AirKingNeo4 votes

how is Yasuo being hotfixed even relevant? You are just circlejerking like the rest.

ALL MłGHT5 votes

I am glad that’s what you got from my post. Do you have any actual criticism?

AirKingNeo4 votes

I'm pointing out large bias from you. Everyone else covered the rest.

ALL MłGHT4 votes

Large bias for me? Majority are furious with the unnecessary hotfix on Yasuo. Instead of letting him adapt while he is at a low winrate, a developer at Riot games, that happens to main Yasuo, deemed he was too weak. That right there is true bias.

https://twitter.com/RiotBlaustoise/status/1002374819982086144

AirKingNeo3 votes

because Yasuo was sitting at a 44% winrate maybe that's why

4eva3 votes

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mzicio25 votes

He's not weak. Stop pretending he is.

LAKIGR4 votes

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He's not weak. Stop pretending he is.

Yeah zed is so strong I mean have u seen how much pro play he’s seen this year? 2 games and 0 bans for all of this season. He must be super broken perma ban worthy even.

mzicio12 votes

Pro play doesn't necessarily mean something, you know? You'll never see a Quinn in LCS but she's great in solo queue because there is less communication.

Also I never really stated that he's strong. He's not weak in my opinion, and he's anti-fun. That's my major problem with him, he's a caster-assassin mix and I don't like that.

Anin7772 votes

He's not weak but his assassination potential is less than ever. Not even debatable.

Z3Sleeper10 votes

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. We're still talking about solo Q right?

Ayzev8 votes

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zed is really weak

Careful, your bias for your main is showing.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/zed https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Zed/ http://champion.gg/champion/Zed/Middle?league=platplus http://www.lolking.net/champions/zed#/statistics http://na.op.gg/champion/zed/statistics/mid

Pick whatever link you want. They all show he's okay at worst.

Anin7771 votes

Look at all those sub-50% winrates. Almost as if he finally became stable hmmmmmmmmmmm

French Courtesan11 votes

If AD mid laner, with "difficult kit to master" has 50% or higher win rate, then he isnt balanced. Say what ever you want, Talyiah is hard master and she NEVER HAD OVER 50% WIN RATE.

DKM Bismarck10 votes

Zed is respectably strong right now. A solid A+/S- tier soloq champ.

Häxel1 votes

**Zed and any AD melee assassins have had continuous indirect nerfs since beginning of season 6 **

  • Reducing/removing trinket upgrade costs and giving everyone 2 charges of warding totem
  • introducing of redemption
  • increasing overall vision by fusing sightstone with golditem so no longer people exist who refuse to buy sightstone (with or without golditem)
  • introducing plants that give you vision about roaming assassins, health back from dominating assassins and an escape tool from chasing assassins
  • changing locket from an anti mage item to an overall shield item
  • introducing knights vow
  • funny how you mention ldr which replaced lw begin season 6 as bonus pen item from toal pen. jsut got changed this patch but wrong title than
  • change from armorpen to lethalaty. example ghostblade from 20 pen to 18lth. Its a scaling stat but even lv 18 you have less pen as pre season 6
  • replacing brutalizer with caulfield and dirk. Not only is armorpen now scaling but you can't get an early powerspike with pen and cdr anymore
  • neither yasuo nor lb are ad assassins. I agree with kha but disagree with rengar (and lb) as thee were adjusts and dmg is actual lower and it made nearly no diffrence for their enemys which version they had to deal with. And taliyah also got hotfixed same day, yasuo nothing special
  • electrocute isn't even better. cd is so much higher and tl was used before by many mages. Now ec is just an assassin rune mostly
  • talking about domination path it is the worst tree of all so there is a reason riot adds stuff there. but sorcery will also get soon a new keystone
  • guardian introduced while old stoneborn pact still remains as font of life. Aftershock better as Courage of the Colosus - "INFINITELY BETTER". Even enchanters/midlaners can take aery for shields and give ti with heal (or clarity on cetain circumstances)
  • Changing Athenes to an Enchanteritem that heals
  • that ignite thing that most mages and also supports depending on the meta is as you told not assassin exclusive
  • resolve path has good defensive runes like bone plating which reduces strong an assassin all in attempt

to me it seems as you only looked at one side of the coin (and have a lb frustration as again you include her in your text about ad melee assassins). Also it seems anyone can do such nice lists

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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**Zed and any AD melee assassins have had continuous indirect nerfs since beginning of season 6 **

  • Reducing/removing trinket upgrade costs and giving everyone 2 charges of warding totem
  • introducing of redemption
  • increasing overall vision by fusing sightstone with golditem so no longer people exist who refuse to buy sightstone (with or without golditem)
  • introducing plants that give you vision about roaming assassins, health back from dominating assassins and an escape tool from chasing assassins
  • changing locket from an anti mage item to an overall shield item
  • introducing knights vow
  • funny how you mention ldr which replaced lw begin season 6 as bonus pen item from toal pen. jsut got changed this patch but wrong title than
  • change from armorpen to lethalaty. example ghostblade from 20 pen to 18lth. Its a scaling stat but even lv 18 you have less pen as pre season 6
  • replacing brutalizer with caulfield and dirk. Not only is armorpen now scaling but you can't get an early powerspike with pen and cdr anymore
  • neither yasuo nor lb are ad assassins. I agree with kha but disagree with rengar (and lb) as thee were adjusts and dmg is actual lower and it made nearly no diffrence for their enemys which version they had to deal with. And taliyah also got hotfixed same day, yasuo nothing special
  • electrocute isn't even better. cd is so much higher and tl was used before by many mages. Now ec is just an assassin rune mostly
  • talking about domination path it is the worst tree of all so there is a reason riot adds stuff there. but sorcery will also get soon a new keystone
  • guardian introduced while old stoneborn pact still remains as font of life. Aftershock better as Courage of the Colosus - "INFINITELY BETTER". Even enchanters/midlaners can take aery for shields and give ti with heal (or clarity on cetain circumstances)
  • Changing Athenes to an Enchanteritem that heals
  • that ignite thing that most mages and also supports depending on the meta is as you told not assassin exclusive
  • resolve path has good defensive runes like bone plating which reduces strong an assassin all in attempt

to me it seems as you only looked at one side of the coin (and have a lb frustration as again you include her in your text about ad melee assassins). Also it seems anyone can do such nice lists

also the mage item rework put a ton more health on their items.

they used to have only 1 single ap/health item with rod of ages, and otherwise went 100% glass cannon. nowdays its common for them to run 2 or 3 health items. archangels was considered a troll item for most of its existence. now its fairly common and a lot of mages have a large extra shield available.

they put more defense on marksmen offensive items aswell.

i seriously dont know what this thread is supposed to be. there were both buffs and nerfs to the assassin class since season 6. the assassin rework itself ended up as a nerf for most of them.

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