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Ezreal should not get around 2k in free gold from Kleptomancy each game.

k wìx··26 votes·3,925 views

He synergizes way, way to well with this rune.

You guys really, really need to look at his Mystic Shot. It needs to cost more mana, or not trigger klepto.

Pretty much done with him at this point - as a plat support main, i'll be banning him until a nerf comes. I'd rather deal with Vayne/Twitch/Draven/Jhin over this mess. ** EDIT:** For those saying it's impossible, it happened in a recent game of mine, the Ezreal did get fed, and the game was over 50 minutes in length, so I do concede that it's unlikely the average is that high, but I'd wager a guess the average is over 600 gold earned per game, and that's not even counting the items he could have sold.

Me and the Ez chatted a bit post game, his total was over 1900 gold, and he had about 23 items procced. He could have sold them for much, much more gold. He agree'd that it was pretty dumb at the moment. At many moments of the game, his gold earned from Klepto was MORE than my support item. It's broken, and i'll be banning Ezreal until it changes.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2676335901/32246691?tab=overview

93 Comments

DeusVult21 votes

Riot should really continue to do individual champ balance on things like this, similar to how they did in the past with stopping how Shyv ult Q worked with tiamat/hydra items, vayne silver bolts works with Runaans, etc.

Ez ends up breaking 1 item/mastery per season. 100% of the time it is because of how his Q allows him to proc things at a huge range. An 1150 range spammable skillshot that allows him to abuse certain items and masteries. Just specifically target this and see how it goes.

Hello I am Bird3 votes

Vayne's silver bolts should have never worked with Rynaans, because it can only be applied to one person at a time.

Or was that change made to make it stop synergizing with Runyaans?

ProfDrDeath7 votes

You're right, it never did.

Still doesn't change his point about it being a champion-specific change. And I think Klepto should be changed to apply only on auto-attacks, not on abilities proccing on-hit effects.

Sona Ping2 votes

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Riot should really continue to do individual champ balance on things like this, similar to how they did in the past with stopping how Shyv ult Q worked with tiamat/hydra items, vayne silver bolts works with Runaans, etc.

Ez ends up breaking 1 item/mastery per season. 100% of the time it is because of how his Q allows him to proc things at a huge range. An 1150 range spammable skillshot that allows him to abuse certain items and masteries. Just specifically target this and see how it goes.

Your reason does not work, Vayne's Silver Bolts simply do not have an interaction with Runaan's. The issue is that this is a mastery for Ezreal and champions like him. If the interaction is broken, the mastery itself needs to be reconsidered. If something only performs reasonably on the champions that do not use it, it is not reasonable.

DemonBoneJangles10 votes

the point I see here is that they nearly gutted sona for how well she synergized with aery but they wont touch ezreal or gp for how easily they proc klepto

Blåbæret4 votes

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the point I see here is that they nearly gutted sona for how well she synergized with aery but they wont touch ezreal or gp for how easily they proc klepto

Riot doesn't nerf ADCs.

LordGeovanni1 votes

They nerf them some times and over compensate them in other areas before the nerf even goes through

Kubox3 votes

Ironically, the removal of the 25 bonus AA whenever Klepto was ready to be applied completely gutted her synergy with that rune. (It made it possible to apply her passive without going into "kill me" range)

Meanwhile Ez is abusing it harder than she ever did.

Nayzumi7 votes

It's not 2k gold, that's an obscured amount, and for people who are letting him proc it, what? 400 times? Deserve to lose the game. It's more like 800-1000 gold, IF THAT. Not even GP can get 2k gold from Klepto, and his shit is a point and click.

NocturnalSheild7 votes

Its not that hard to hit ezs Q.

Nayzumi3 votes

If you stand behind minions, he's useless.

HongChongDong5 votes

Well I think someone else commented a good response to this, but lets just say this. What about auto attacks? Ezreal is all about ranged poke but that doesn't mean he HAS to land the Q to actually get the proc. Especially if there is a melee support who is forced to be up front then they're a free punching bag for klepto procs without actually hitting your Q.

flibitydoo2 votes

do you actually play botlane? or even league of legends?

how bad at the game do you have to be that you are constantly standing in attack range of any enemy champion?

Barkley3 votes

By your logic, ADCs should do zero damage per game, since only bad players would ever be in range of their attacks.

Do you actually play league of legends?

AirKingNeo2 votes

He's talking about laning phase. You aren't going to be in auto range every second during laning.

HongChongDong2 votes

You're not going to get a proc EVERY single second, but it's not particularly hard to get an auto in when they're CSing or move out of position. This is basic laning mechanics.

Hópe20 votes

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It's not 2k gold, that's an obscured amount, and for people who are letting him proc it, what? 400 times? Deserve to lose the game. It's more like 800-1000 gold, IF THAT. Not even GP can get 2k gold from Klepto, and his shit is a point and click.

Ive gotten 3 gold sacks for over 80g each in less than 7 minutes.

Its All Skillzz2 votes

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Ive gotten 3 gold sacks for over 80g each in less than 7 minutes.

considering 10-12 mins is mid game you further prove my point. an you got lucky to get that.

Hópe15 votes

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considering 10-12 mins is mid game you further prove my point. an you got lucky to get that.

Theres no such thing as late game. 300-500g advantage before 15 minutes is an extremely big power spike. Games end at 20 minutes now.

Nayzumi4 votes

That's 160 gold, not 2,000.

Hópe22 votes

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That's 160 gold, not 2,000.

Where does ''in less than 7 minutes'' translate to ''each game'' for you.

Nayzumi3 votes

Your attitude sucks, try again.

Hópe21 votes

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Your attitude sucks, try again.

Are you okay.

AirKingNeo3 votes

Ok, since you're moving the goalposts:

Average game time is 30 minutes. If you get 160 gold every 7 minutes, then you get 22.857 gold per minute. You'd get 686 gold in 30 minutes at that rate.

That's not 2000.

notice me Sin pi2 votes

because gold sack is obviously the only way to get gold from kleptomancy, rite?

Hópe5 votes

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Ok, since you're moving the goalposts:

Average game time is 30 minutes. If you get 160 gold every 7 minutes, then you get 22.857 gold per minute. You'd get 686 gold in 30 minutes at that rate.

That's not 2000.

You get more than just gold sacks with kleptomancy....

AirKingNeo2 votes

From "160 gold in 7 minutes" (not a lot) and now, "Well, you just get more than just gold!!!"

Seriously, don't just hop between arguments once you fail one.

Rins Thigh Socks3 votes

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From "160 gold in 7 minutes" (not a lot) and now, "Well, you just get more than just gold!!!"

Seriously, don't just hop between arguments once you fail one.

...

First off, 3 gold sacks for 80g each is 240 gold.

Second, that's compounding on what he's already earning every time he stacks Klepto, so at the very least it's 255g. And that's assuming Ezreal landed 3 Q's in a 7 minute timeframe.

Also, OP said that his game was 50 minutes long. 7 timeframes of 255g = 1785g. Again, this is assuming that Ezreal has only landed 21 Q's in a 50 minute game. It's very plausible for OP to have gotten that 2k gold lead but by the time the game ran 50 minutes in that lead should've been nullified by everyone having items and Ezreal falling off.

Getting 2k gold in a 50 minute game is plausible, I often get over 1k gold in ~20 minutes in my Ezreal games so I can personally tell you it's possible. That being said OP's anecdotes are questionable. Also, learn what Klepto does because

"Well, you just get more than just gold!!!"

he's not saying you get more items, he's saying you get 5 gold per proc of Klepto PLUS the sacks. Learn the game before you start flaming people for not knowing the game.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Then that would be 1030 gold or so in 30 minutes, implying he's in combat enough. Still not 2000 in 30.

he's not saying you get more items, he's saying you get 5 gold per proc of Klepto PLUS the sacks. Learn the game before you start flaming people for not knowing the game.

That's his fault for poor grammar then. That's not on me. He didn't give a number of procs for 5 gold per proc, so obviously I can't do math with that.

Rins Thigh Socks2 votes

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Then that would be 1030 gold or so in 30 minutes, implying he's in combat enough. Still not 2000 in 30.

That's his fault for poor grammar then. That's not on me. He didn't give a number of procs for 5 gold per proc, so obviously I can't do math with that.

This is implying Ezreal only lands 3 Q's in a 7 minute time span. Do you know how fucking unrealistic that is? It's so unlikely that only a boards player could be that bad at the game. He's going to accrue way more than 1k gold in 30 minutes.

Also, blaming a commenter's grammar for you not knowing how a month old keystone works is actually the weakest copout I've seen on this board thus far. Just stop defending your point.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Also, blaming a commenter's grammar for you not knowing how a month old keystone works is actually the weakest copout I've seen on this board thus far. Just stop defending your point.

I know how the damn thing works. His comment related to the different items the keystone could give, not the bonus gold for procing it. Did you even read his comment or just want to brash on people?

Rins Thigh Socks2 votes

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I know how the damn thing works. His comment related to the different items the keystone could give, not the bonus gold for procing it. Did you even read his comment or just want to brash on people?

No his comment was related to how you could easily amass bonus gold, and how it's possible to get more gold than you people think is realistic because the money bags, at a (assuming) 15% drop rate earn you 2.25x the gold you earn from Klepto itself at the bags' average value. At a 5% drop rate, that's still a 0.75x modifier added to your Klepto earnings.

Which, despite his evidence being anecdotal, he's right about.

I did read his comment. Some people are just poor at English. Some posters are even poorer at translating it. Even worse, some people (you) try make an argument out of the poor translation when that's not even what he's trying to express.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Ok so now his fuck up in subject-verb agreement (I'm assuming this) doesn't matter? Then doesn't your argument against me not matter because it's based on my reply to him, which in your eyes isn't valid due to a miscommunication based on his grammar?

Unironically you're painting me has a bad person despite me only going off what he said.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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Ok so now his fuck up in subject-verb agreement (I'm assuming this) doesn't matter? Then doesn't your argument against me not matter because it's based on my reply to him, which in your eyes isn't valid due to a miscommunication based on his grammar?

Unironically you're painting me has a bad person despite me only going off what he said.

Dude, you need to stop. Your whole argument started when you thought (more than) 80 x 3 = 160 and you've just been digging in your heels ever since. It's very easy for Ezreal to gain a large amount of gold with Klepto. I'm gonna play a Klepto game right now and post the results.

You can also sell a lot of items you get early game before your inventory is full. This is often required, too, because getting Manamune + TF takes a lot of inventory spaces.

Rins Thigh Socks2 votes

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Ok so now his fuck up in subject-verb agreement (I'm assuming this) doesn't matter? Then doesn't your argument against me not matter because it's based on my reply to him, which in your eyes isn't valid due to a miscommunication based on his grammar?

Unironically you're painting me has a bad person despite me only going off what he said.

If we know what he's trying to communicate, no a fucking English lesson doesn't matter, but you seem intent on using his lack of English skills to argue a point on in-game mechanics that I've made.

That's not me painting you as a bad person. That's you painting yourself as someone who is both stubborn and not very clever.

LordGeovanni1 votes

not to mention that Ezreals frequency goes up and q cooldown goes down and teamfights start.

DragonIgnis10 votes

It's not even 160. 3 x 80 = 240. Also, it says over 80g.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Durzaka8 votes

First, thats only counting the 5 gold from the proc, and not the sacks of gold that are fairly common "drops" from the rune itself.

Even then, 400 Qs in a single game is not THAT unrealistic, depending on the length of the game.

Even assuming lets say 200 Qs over the course of an entire game, with a 15% chance for a sack of gold, which average 75 gold per drop. Thats 30 sacks of gold. With the average comes out to 2250.

So that right there is no even including the 1000 gold he got from +5 gold per hit.

So yeah, OP was actually on the lowside.

Ezreal only needs to land like 75 Qs in a game to get 2000 gold from Klepto.

royalpaste4 votes

and those sack of gold drops rates are absurd. you're almost always gonna get 60 or more gold from them. hell ive gotten 100 gold 4 times in a row from them.

PokladnicaZla7 votes

Ez's main problem is his Q and his W. Each time he's in need of a buff,they buff his Q instead of making his W actually good. He would be a good candidate for a mini GU where they rework / shift power from his Q into his W.

On side note,don't hate me for this,but kleptomancy is mistake.It's just horrible RNG and every main user of it is extremely annoying to deal with.

Remlap12232 votes

But it's good RNG! Just like Zoe!

Do I still have to say Kappa to convey sarcasm?

LordGeovanni1 votes

Ezreals w is good its decently high base damage with aoe and an attack speed buff for everyone on his team . Rng isnt bad just that things like kelpto and crit are over buffed because they are rng and then they are made reliable essentially taking away the rng aspect without taking away power from it.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

Ez's W as a spell is good,but doesn't synergize well with his kit.It's useful yeah,but that doesn't mean it couldn't be better.

LordGeovanni1 votes

It doesnt synergize with his kit as in i sit back at a range where i can only just bearly hit my q so my w cant even reach. But Ezreals w has always been a powerful attack speed steroid but adcs dont ever want to think about helping other people do dps and with e he can self proc it so he has 2 attack speed steroids running at the same time but then he used his cheezy blink which he uses for excapes offensively even though its gonna be back up in 3 seconds with him spamming q. you should be in auto attack range anyway as ezreal to up your dps. But the potiental higher dps isnt recouldnized as an ezreal because you can sit back and never be in danger . Having an excape on a long range poke mage adc doesnt synergize with his kit either. But what doesnt synergize with his kit the most is the part which is focused on the most by players his q. ezreal has 2 attack speed steroids (aka the majority of his kit as in the e is also needed to acess the w ) but he has a q spamable q that far exceeds his attack range which is the odd spell out in his kit (aka not the majority of his kit but the most common part of his playstyle as seen by the masses)

ChizPizaZane4 votes

NO NO NO, they already nerfed his Q damage and gutted his attack speed growth. If anything should be nerfed, it should be klepto because i'm tired of riot nerfing ez to the point where he almost becomes unplayable

SithesisLord6 votes

Or just make his Q not apply on-hits. Done. Problem solved.

Hello I am Bird8 votes

How to dumpster a champion 101

Remlap12231 votes

As much as I hate Ezreal's stupid synergy with keystones, this is how you Sona Ezreal.

LordGeovanni1 votes

He would still have it be a 1 second spamable skill that lowers his ult and his passive gives him attack speed. it could get buffed a little bit for damage if you take away the thing that breaks him twice a season. Only think that dumpsters is the sit back and poke with no need to ever get in any danger of anything despite my free escape play style. which in it will still be there just really really bad

ChizPizaZane1 votes

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Or just make his Q not apply on-hits. Done. Problem solved.

sure, but they need to revert the attack speed and damage nerfs

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