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These mana changes are going to destroy mage supports - check my math!

k wìx·4/17/2018, 10:06:41 PM·20 votes·8,208 views

So, I play Support Zilean at a pretty high level (I'd like to think!) I'm terrified of these mana changes destroying my playstyle with him.

SO i sat down and did some math - the numbers aren't turning up very good for me. At about level 5-6, things SHARPLY go downhill. ** The mana regen cut @ level 5 after coming back with an early tear is awful. **

I already had to be extremely careful of spending mana against Nami or Janna - they would always win the mana war against me - If i picked up an early tear against them, I could at least outscale, and turn the tides (heh!) around come levels 8-10. I don't think I'll have that ability anymore, so I'm not sure how to outplay someone who negates all of my damage and outsustains me on top of that.

I'm willing to give it a shot, the early game is going to be about the same, honestly. Maybe I'll be able to avoid purchasing a tear all-together with these changes, but then I strongly fear my scaling potential will be hit pretty hard. Running out of mana on Zilean is a huge no-no.

I have some honest questions for the dev team...

1.) With the community crying foul over the power of ADCs and your talk about 'creating an ADC-less' route for players to go - why are you nerfing caster-style champions? If your going to gate casters late-game by nerfing mana regeneration items, then how are we supposed to have ANY kind of chance at competing with a lategame carry? I don't see any damage buffs in there.... Furthermore, Mages have VERY few tools to deal with well built tanks, and this just hurts our capacity to deal with and sustain against them.

2.) If your targeting supports with this change, It is absolutely the wrong way to go. **I humbly ask that you look at champions who have easy-to-use mana-efficient shields. ** Would you at least consider introducing options for mage-supports? I can understand you taking away the regen on spelltheifs, so mana regen doesn't get bloated early, but why on Frostfang?

33 Comments

Death by Glamour4/17/2018, 10:34:33 PM6 votes

im sorry but I'm willing to sacrifice every single ap support if it gets brand out of bot lane

Colton1474/17/2018, 10:48:36 PM5 votes

Sona item 3070

Draehl4/18/2018, 2:24:15 AM3 votes

I sure hope Bard gets a base regen buff then. Coin isn't appropriate for him. He's already pretty Mana hungry even if you don't have to drop your W much.

Feels like they want you to sit in lane and do nothing.

AirKingNeo4/17/2018, 10:11:01 PM2 votes

cool but you already have infinite mana with lost chapter

Step Sis Lux4/17/2018, 10:14:20 PM2 votes

^ Lol bro stop bitching about ap mages when they sucks xD

Shablagoo4/18/2018, 5:09:33 AM2 votes

What about manaflow? What about the fact that this requires you to actually play smarter then before. Tbh I think mage supports(echanters) getting a nerf somehow is so reasonable because of how mindless they are. But I actually dont really understand why all mages are being hit by this doesnt make much sense to me.

DW Diana4/18/2018, 7:41:14 AM2 votes

It's not just support mages. Mid lane mages are going to struggle as much if not more; they have to use their spells to poke AND cs. I like the way they lowered the cost of ludens! like anyone is going to be able to build it now?!?!?! It's gunna be roa/archangels for all midlane mages, which means zero early-game pressure. enjoy the assassins roaming bot guys! xD

Dorans Pants4/18/2018, 10:17:44 AM1 votes

ahh math [sg-jinx]

but do you want to know what could have improved your post significantly?

graphs with some sweet lines and curves! [sg-lux]

Puppet33r4/18/2018, 7:21:02 AM1 votes

Lol. This guy thinks he's gonna get 850 at level 5 as a support.

Leetri4/18/2018, 2:15:24 PM1 votes

Depending on who you ask this could be a good thing. There's a lot of people on the boards who don't want mage supports in the game at all. I'm waiting to see if there's anything else being done before I form my own opinion. The PBE patch didn't even come out a day ago yet.

NorthernRedStar4/18/2018, 1:22:09 AM1 votes

Enchanters like Janna, Lulu, Zilean and Sona should go Ancient Coin anyways. They're too good (read: broken) with Spellthief's.

This looks like a good change. Can't just spam your abilities and shields like a braindead monkey, on top of a chunk of early AP and damage.

Mcsquzzy4/18/2018, 12:36:20 AM1 votes

aww heres your problem your trying to use logic and reasoning

Altonius Amakiir4/18/2018, 7:26:17 AM

I play Zilean too, and I honestly think these changes make him unviable as a pick for me. 4 mana regen per 5 seconds, 150 less mana, and 5% less mana back from tear is a huge hit to his late game. He can already run out of mana fairly easily late game if you aren't careful with two mana items. I'm really hoping these changes don't ship...