You can think that a class is overpowered while still disputing ridiculous claims about that class.

Marshbouy·Mar 14, 2018·127 votes·5,001 views

Just because someone says "an ADC did not crit you for 1.2K damage when you had 200 armor" doesn't mean that

The think the state of the game is fine.
They think that ADCs are fine
They think that supports are fine
They think that this is the best season ever.

All it means is this:

They don't like people spreading false information and keeping a pointless, counterproductive circlejerk going.

#Stop making everything about absolutes.

139 Comments

MordepoolMar 14, 201861 votes

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#Stop making everything about absolutes.

Absolutely agree

GigglesOMar 14, 201810 votes

[sg-miss-fortune]

MarshbouyMar 14, 20189 votes

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Sp33d Zer0Mar 14, 20183 votes

[sg-syndra]

GULAG 4 UMar 15, 201816 votes

Only siths deals in absolutes...

KaìjuMar 15, 20185 votes

Not the exact quote but you tried.

MelledoneusMar 15, 20187 votes

~~Only a sith deals in absolutes.~~

FUCK I MISSED IT

rebelprincess01Mar 14, 201822 votes

play Mecha Malphite so ur litherally made out of armour get a midget with a cannon to blast ur ass :(

MarshbouyMar 14, 201840 votes

get a midget with a cannon to blast ur ass :(

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Lil Homie bustaMar 14, 201815 votes

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undesirable teamMar 14, 201821 votes

a fucking feather penetrates you rock ass Xayah

TeCoolMageMar 15, 20184 votes

so that's why rakan is always on the enemy team

OzXMar 15, 201817 votes

Dude earlier today I was level 18 Malphite with item 3742 item 3143 item 3047 item 3075 item 3068 item 3110 item 3025 item 3193 casually clearing a wave under my t2 when suddenly the ennemy afk twitch level 1 pops out of nowhere with item 1055 item 3087 and kîlls me before my ult could reach him. Then he went afk again while tanking at least a dozen towershots before running away.

Nerf ADCs and buff turret !!!

ThefrostyvikingMar 15, 20185 votes

FRAUD!

To kill your malp with that build he would need a item 1037 , no way he coulda done it otherwise.

I demand you cease your tomfoolery!

Give Me KayleMar 16, 20185 votes

Teach me senpai how to build 8 items*[sg-ahri-2]*

big boi edriMar 15, 20187 votes

I think a lot of y’all are missin the point. He’s talking about those people who blow shit way out of proportion. Like “OMG the enemy Teemo tower dove me at level 2 and took SIX shots before killing me and walking away with half health!!”

Sounds absurd but people make similar claims all the time on here.

GigglesOMar 14, 20185 votes

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Just because someone says "an ADC did not crit you for 1.2K damage when you had 200 armor" doesn't mean that

They do however do about 1k DPS... which means a 4k hp tank still dies in 4 seconds or less.

RenownedWheat42Mar 14, 201821 votes

Level 18 full build and they'll get 1k dps from Shiv/RFC burst, but it quickly dips down to 700-800 dps, even on Tristana with her attack speed steroid, and that's on a 100 armor dummy in the practice tool. Gonna be considerably less with a 200 armor tank.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 15, 20183 votes

Less so with Randuins, Frozen Heart, and Ninja Tabi.

PoskeMar 15, 20183 votes

Perhaps in season 3 when those items werent a joke specially old randuins

DisembarkMar 15, 20184 votes

“Randuins is a joke”

20% reducd crit damage, 15% lower atk speed, not to mention raw stats.

wildfox99Mar 15, 20187 votes

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Level 18 full build and they'll get 1k dps from Shiv/RFC burst, but it quickly dips down to 700-800 dps, even on Tristana with her attack speed steroid, and that's on a 100 armor dummy in the practice tool. Gonna be considerably less with a 200 armor tank.

1k means more than half HP for a squishy,and that assuming they have 100 armor

the difference between 100 and 200 armor is about 16% less damage,so it's not a big difference (it means 1 or 2 more AA)

i'm not saying he was right on the numbers,but crit champions really deals too much damage

SelecMar 15, 20185 votes

I might be the only, but I see it pretty fair that the class with less survivability is the class with the most damage.

BlåbæretMar 15, 20182 votes

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I might be the only, but I see it pretty fair that the class with less survivability is the class with the most damage.

You know people can check your match history, right?

SelecMar 15, 20186 votes

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You know people can check your match history, right?

So what? Before being main ADC I was main midlane and I was completely agree that I could delete any ADC before min 30 with no problem while having kind of problems after that minute, knowing that I have much more survivability as I have a better kit in general.

But yea Vayne 2 shot a Malphite with 200 armor... Sure...

JackMcSnipeyzMar 16, 20185 votes

Dont mind him his a complete dumbass on every post he makes.

Starcraft243verMar 15, 20185 votes

https://img.coopathome.ch/produkte/300_420/RGB/5670952_001.jpg?_=1468335911949

but ... i like absolut.

BestPudgeNAMar 15, 20183 votes

Caitlyn + item 3087 item 3094 item 3508 item 3036 item 3031 +headshot on a trapped tank will do well over 1.2k on a 200 armor tank.

If that champ also happens to be Vayne this champ does 12% Max HP true damage. On a 5k tank that's 600 damage just from the passive before you factor in tumble damage ulti damage shiv damage ect. The one auto round can do again over 1.2k easy.

VådyMar 15, 201812 votes

Caitlyn with your build will do exactly 672,45 damage to a 200 armor tank (assuming cait is level 18 and throw a headshot that does crit onto a tapped 4000 hp tank with 100 base armor and 100 bonus armor). Go learn how armor works kid.

That's why you don't deal in absolute.

For vayne I'm too tired to calculate so I don't know

Altonius AmakiirMar 15, 20183 votes

I assume that's a six-hundred seventy-two and forty-five hundredths? Or a 672.45 for Americans?

WolfeurMar 15, 20184 votes

A lot of people use the comma for decimals and spaces for thousands:

dot: 100,000.00
comma: 100 000,00

Supreme Senpai69Mar 15, 20182 votes

Yeah that took me a second to catch too. Since we're on the NA boards i assume most people saw the comma and their mind put in the third number, making it look like 672k. The school system hath brainwashed us.

BestPudgeNAMar 15, 20184 votes

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with your build will do exactly 672,45 damage to a 200 armor tank (assuming cait is level 18 and throw a headshot that does crit onto a tapped 4000 hp tank with 100 base armor and 100 bonus armor). Go learn how armor works kid.

What Runes? What MR? you know for the shiv and rapid fire? If you wanna do the actually math go ahead, but don't do this lazy sloppy math where you don't include a bunch of stuff and tell me i'm wrong.

Watch the video below at little after 8:15. A 268 armor Flame on Cho takes a 1029+145 HS from Stixxay on Cait. has 5 less AD from Merc instead of essence reaver and a pot so 25 total extra AD then my build, but that doesn't make up for the extra 60+ armor and Cho also has high MR here so the shiv proc doesn't do as much as would against a say 100 MR tank. But even in this case the extra 60 armor makes him take about 5-6% less on the hit. Lets call it 5 percent that would leave us with 1235 damage on a 200 armor tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sptlso55G1g&t=386s

For real Cait is doing more then 1200 full build on trapped 200 armor tanks.

BjørnetjenestenMar 15, 20184 votes

Wow the full item Cait did around **17% **of the tanks health with her passive + trap. Wow so broken better nerf adc.

That Cho was so big his hp bar looked like it was level 1 again. The other 4 members combined would take more than 60 seconds to kill him. Maybe just maybe its justified that she can pump out this ammount of dmg, just to keep bullshit like chogath in check? dont you think ? i mean he just went back and auto some minions and he is back to full health with item 3083 and his passive. At the same time he can pop item 3800 + item 3193 and do 100% of her health while building 0 dmg items. :D

DuskDaUmbreonMar 15, 20183 votes

And that's not to mention the possibility that she has Gathering Storm or some other way to get a fuckton of AD.

I'm too lazy to watch the video, though.

But ~700 damage against a Cho'gath with just her auto isn't much (especially considering that's 200 armor, and not a real 350+ armor tank). Even a shiv crit will only boost that up to 900 damage.

Although her autos against minions can pass 1.4k easily if she crits after hitting them with an E-triggered passive shot.

PB4UAMEMar 15, 20182 votes

Huh, that's odd, video evidences show she actually hits for over 1k, so may I see your math?

IrokaiserMar 15, 20181 votes

67,245

FTFY

WolfeurMar 15, 20183 votes

What are you even trying to say?

VICKLIUSMar 14, 20181 votes

Only siths deal in absolutes.

But supports are not in a good position, they are weak, that's y they called sup and not champion. They not even called enhancers or buffers.

Items also needs be fixed/ more of them, that would be a big fix.

dunder killMar 14, 201816 votes

Lol what? Supports have been buffed for like 3 years straight. You practically get the income of a laner without having to farm

RenownedWheat42Mar 14, 201810 votes

Bit of a gross exaggeration. You're never getting that much gold on support unless you're getting all the kills.

HibekiMar 15, 20188 votes

Thats not even true, by the end of the game youre only about 1k behind the next person on your team for basically doing nothing.

That is a huge amount of gold earned.

KuboxMar 15, 20189 votes

More like, you'll be about 1k behind that guy that got destroyed in-lane. Assuming people got even or won lane, supports tend to vary between 2 to 4k behind in gold, stretching to 6-7k when compared to a fed player.

I'm not saying this is wrong, as this seems like a good gold difference to aim for, but claiming supports are on par with solo laners is a severe exaggeration.

Spank the FoxMar 15, 20183 votes

You get pretty close to an ADCs level of gold, unless they’re CSing 8-10 per min, as support while sitting on 2-2-4k items.

So sure, on occassion, they may be 2k down from a farm class, but with minimal effort, no wave manipulation needed, and cheap items, they’re probably ahead tbh

I don’t play ADC much this season because using gold income from Support is just that good

dunder killMar 15, 20182 votes

Not sure about ADC but you for sure approach jungler or top laner income

VICKLIUSMar 14, 20182 votes

That is because of the gold item which brings them up to be slightly impactful, if it weren't for the item they would be even weaker to point it might as well be 4v4 instead of 4.5 v 4.5, because there isnt enough gold/exp, or lanes to go around for a 5v5.

Not to mention in every moba team that have a designated sup do better than without or if had another dps on team, but also in every moba sup is called the least fun because you most of the time just stand around, an you don't seem as impactful as a stand alone champion.

And yeah they have to be buffed to stay impactful because of all the buffs they give to everyone else, and what buffs are you talking about.

HibekiMar 15, 20183 votes

Yeah no, supports major gold sink has disappeared and their gold income has only gone up. They had reasonable impact with the removal of sight wards before support items were added.

Z3SleeperMar 15, 20183 votes

Passive gold gain was increased several times with the purpose of putting more gold on supports.
Purchase-able wards were removed, control wards stayed.
Gold for killing wards increased.
Added XP for killing wards.
Gold generation items for supports was introduced (including the Bandit passive).
Gold generation items buffed repeatedly.
Other support items introduced (Locket, Ardent, Redemption) with low gold costs.
Sightstone removed, Sightstone is now given for free when the support items gain enough gold.

There's a laundry list my dude and I'm sure I'm missing some.

VICKLIUSMar 15, 20181 votes

yeah just to make the impactful, before that they had almost no impact. an that isn't buffing them , that's item buffs that their position is forced to get/ focused around getting.

Z3SleeperMar 15, 20183 votes

This wasn't all done in one patch, it went more like this:

We need to make supports more impactful!