Since everything snowballs so fast now lee/khas/elises/whatever broken early game jungler just dominates the first 10 mins and effectively decides the game, can we nerf the jungle early game? They kill laners far too easily nowdays.
ily noose5 votesWhy tf would we nerf the role with the highest skill ceiling that’s hands down the hardest role to get a hang of. Not only that there’s 2 things about what u said that I’ll comment on 1: You mentioned early game junglers, idk if u know this but going 20/0 on lee or Elise dosent mean shit because they fall off SOO hard late game, same for kha just not nearly as much. So no there not broken because sure I can camp a garen and put him behind 5 kills and 30 cs as lee sin, but late game it won’t matter whatsoever. 2: were currently in rank meta, and there’s not a single tank jungler that’s strong late game, even lee sin who’s considerably “tanky” has no other tank qualities as he gets fucked late game. So no it’s not broken, just do your best to outscale them (just farm) and ward. That simple
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Why tf would we nerf the role with the highest skill ceiling that’s hands down the hardest role to get a hang of. Not only that there’s 2 things about what u said that I’ll comment on 1: You mentioned early game junglers, idk if u know this but going 20/0 on lee or Elise dosent mean shit because they fall off SOO hard late game, same for kha just not nearly as much. So no there not broken because sure I can camp a garen and put him behind 5 kills and 30 cs as lee sin, but late game it won’t matter whatsoever. 2: were currently in rank meta, and there’s not a single tank jungler that’s strong late game, even lee sin who’s considerably “tanky” has no other tank qualities as he gets fucked late game. So no it’s not broken, just do your best to outscale them (just farm) and ward. That simple
"high skillcap role" LMAO so hard to pick khazix and literally sit on a bush and gank the same lane 3~4 times in a span of a minute to auto win a lane, then move to the other lanes to win the game in 10 minutes.
"but the lee/elise/kha will fall off late game". LUL
There is no late game against those champs, idk if you understand, but game averages at an all time low at around 25 minutes.
This is like saying panth isnt broken because "he falls off" when his WR is almost 60% in the first 20 minutes of the game, which is why hes so absurdly strong atm, 1 in 20 games currently maybe go past the 35 minute mark, those early game junglers are suffocating the whole game.
ily noose1 votes? First off I said role, compare maneuvering your champ without being seen around a jungle that’s never really “yours”, and getting a kill. That’s ALOT easier than sitting in lane an using a summoner everyonce in a while. Also your point on the game reaching an “all time low” at 25 minutes is just partially true, but let a 40-50 min game have a lee sin in it, there gonna get there ass handed to them. The whole point of playing those early game champs is to make sure there is no late game. So u talking about games that end quickly is a pretty dumb thing to bring up. That’s like saying Rengar is broken cuz he can hop out of bushes with his auto attacks (which has no real counter play besides warding or staying away from bushes) so bushes should be removed from the game. No. Grow some balls and adapt to the champs your playing against.
There’s a lot of things that make certain champs strong, Another example: Gangplank gets gold passive, a heal, a free cc cleanse, a global ult (point and click woohoo) and a fucking ignite. And yeah, I think it’s broken, but as a top lane main, I jut have to learn to play against him. Example 2, jhin, pretty strong champ, in just 2 years has a total of 4 skins, His own pocket pick episode, and an one of the most iconic champs in the game. Banned all the time in lcs. So yeah he’s pretty fucking strong, but guess what his strong points are all long range burst, so if u straight up walk into this motherfucker close range, he’ll PRAY to get out without his flash or heal. Just look for what those champs can’t do, AKA fight late game, SO GET TO LATE GAME
P.s. if ur having trouble against Lee just ward, that motherfucker gets shutdown pretty easily if your support wards P.p.s. If ur against an Elise, predict her rappel, she can only fall down on her enemy’s. Camps, or wards, so it’s pretty easily to just aim your next ability reactively towards were u think she’s gonna land.
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Rexxiee1 votesThis is not an issue that is going to be solved by targeting the power of the jungle. The only reason the jungler is viewed to decide the game is because of Riot's agenda to make games shorter and more snowbally. It only makes sense that if their intention was to make games more snowbally, that the role that has a big part in kick-starting the snowballing process will be the one to have a greater impact. It's why top lane is so irrelevant right now. Typically viewed to be it's own island, especially in the early game, just ends up having very little impact while the rest of the team is having a fiesta over who can get who to snowball their bot lane the quickest.
Riot needs to fix this game of instant snowballing and endless fiestas that they forced onto us last season, and then maybe we can see a shift in the jungle from early game stompers to other niches. This is apparently what Riot wanted, but it sure as hell is not what the players wanted.
I'm sick of games being decided by either the 8 minute mark, or whichever bot lane gets a kill first.
Junglers are like 90% of the problem of early game snowballing.
They can kill laners too easily and they dont fall behind by camping lanes.
WolfChases2 votesOk, go play a single jungle game and tell me how easy is jungle. You are wrong. As a jungle main I had so many games where I played perfectly, provided vision, secured kills for my laners, got couple of kills myself and lost at the end.
Weedbro1 votesdon't nerf 
Woodakoodashooda1 votesAHAHAHA
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No, seriously, I actually laughed out loud IRL when I read this.
No, you're very, very wrong.
You can be the best damn jungle of all fucking time and still end up losing a third of your matches or more because you don't control jack fucking shit.
You lend a hand every now and again to lanes, but if you're ganking 24/7 then you're starving yourself out of farm. And no jungle anywhere worth their salt is going to stand in a brush for more than 3 seconds before engaging an enemy.
This idea that the boogey man lives in your brush just to make you miserable is all kinds of wrong.
The jungle is powerless if not 1 of their laners can do their job. The jungle's fate rests entirely in the hands of their allies and the jungle can only help to improve those odds slightly, but they cannot cure nor prevent the stupidity of feeders who refuse to listen to pings or advice.