Who wants to bet ranged champions are going to get Bork nerfed next patch

FalconPawwwwnch··50 votes·3,168 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/02/211-pbe-update.html

Basic attacks extend the duration of the speedup/slow up to 6 seconds

Who wants to bet ADCs get this item nerfed too like every other item

It happened with Youmuu's, Runeglaive, Lizard Elder, Gauntlet, Sterak's, Maw, and others,

And you sure as hell know it's going to happen to bork

59 Comments

doublelift fg21 votes

as a twitch main i'm going to destroy every melee in 1v1 except if they can kill me in 1 second

FalconPawwwwnch13 votes

Hf damaging Jax

O wait nvm jax is trash

doublelift fg4 votes

jax might actually be a problem because i can't hit him, but he gets detroyed in teamfight so yeah he's trash

FalconPawwwwnch6 votes

He's not just bad in a teamfight

He's bad period

Gregor Gysi4 votes

Dunno, I think he is pretty strong in soloQ. 50% winrate, 5% pickrate and those with more than 10 games with him have a 57% winrate+. http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/de/champions/stats/jax/diamond

doublelift fg2 votes

lol people thinking that jax is good

Gregor Gysi1 votes

He is pretty balanced.

AirKingNeo1 votes

That's because Hashinshin is Diamond right now. That's like saying Aatrox was a good champion simply because he had like a 52% winrate because Hashinshin was playing him.

Gregor Gysi3 votes

Wut? Jax has a 52% winrate in EUW diamond compared to the 51.64% in NA diamond . Jax has 5100 games (/monthly) played in NA dia only, even Aatrox has 1000+ games played every month in diamond. Hashinshin's 52% winrate on Jax over 300 games in S7 or 50% winrate on Aatrox over 124 games in S6 doesn't matter at all.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Yeah you're using DIAMOND STATISTICS. Of course NA's is bloated.

Gregor Gysi1 votes

So what about EU? Jax's winrate in EU is even higher.. And ofc in diamond, you said so yourself.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Hash is spamming ww rn tho

Erractic Eick1 votes

As a Jax main, you can still succeed, but it's just a bit complicated these days. There are less choices that you can make about your playstyle these days than there used to be. You nearly always have to open with your stun, instead of triggering it halfway through a fight to lure your opponent into false security. On hit builds are less successful than, say, S5, where you could infinitely stack Devourer to supplement your ultimate's on hit magic damage, thus allowing you to build more tanky.

There things Jax is known for: attack speed, hybrid damage, and immense build variety are often times at the front of the nerf hammer, often times because of Marksmen skewing the power of certain items that Jax needs. That saddens me.

Thefrostyviking5 votes

He suffers the hybrid damage issue, he can't build any pen items so eventually he deals no damage.

Doesn't help that ADC's and mages are currently balanced to kill tanks and jax is nowhere near as tanky.

Golden Tager X1 votes

Only in jungle, Lane Jax can actually do work in the hands of an experienced player.

Catastrop11 votes

And so what? It's meant for them either way, so who cares if they get their own item nerfed. These salty class hate threads need to stop.

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

This

MistroTTC8 votes

At least this time adcs are the main users of the item.

Zero Skill Tank5 votes

But new BoRK is aimed for marksmen, if it turns out too strong on them and gets nerfed how is this a bad thing?

Mira Arya Enthe5 votes

item 3153 was intended to be used by ADCs. Get over it. It's been mostly a crap niche pick for a while compared to Bloodthirster.

Smitty Manjensen4 votes

Lol worrying what adcs gonna do with it, better worry what Master Yi will do with it, that change is like perfect for him, especially now that it lasts longer when you aa, which he does perfectly.

Frius3 votes

item 3142 nerfed on pbe cause cancerous adc abusers

Aimléss28 votes

lets pretend like Jayce and Kha had nothing to do with the nerfs lmao. Fuck outta here

Kotex1 votes

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lets pretend like Jayce and Kha had nothing to do with the nerfs lmao. Fuck outta here

It's funny how every time Jayce appears in a meta he causes something to be nerfed

Thefrostyviking3 votes

Botrk was often a niche item tho? Only a handful of champions used to build it every single time.

Vayne Jax Twitch Zed and Kindred ?

This rework seems kinda strange. because the stats on the item itself aside from the 15% lifesteal appear absolutely subpar but the % damage thing is still there.

It almost seems like Riot want to push Vayne to build this. More AD for better usage of the crits and a slow that extends on autos = impossible to escape.

Not too sure if anyone else will use it, maybe Jax ?

Kotex2 votes

Yea i was thinking that too. This bork change is going to make it a first or second item rush on more than just the typical niche champions that use it

IceKingChernobog2 votes

Twitch Vayne and blue Ezreal will be it's biggest abusers.

Fondling Gems1 votes

I am not sure Ezreal actually auto attacks fast enough for him to be a big abuser of it. Plus he already has IBG slows so I don't think that the slow active will actually be overbearing on him. He will like the raw stat changes a lot though, he never did buy it for the AS.

IceKingChernobog2 votes

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I am not sure Ezreal actually auto attacks fast enough for him to be a big abuser of it. Plus he already has IBG slows so I don't think that the slow active will actually be overbearing on him. He will like the raw stat changes a lot though, he never did buy it for the AS.

Ezreal's passive gives AS each time he hit's something with any of his abilities and BotRK is the only life steal item that completes the blue build. Comebine this with the IBG slow and anyone with out gap closers will never touch him.

Fondling Gems1 votes

Yes but I don't think the active is actually better for him than before. Even though he gets the AS boost compared to a lot of ADC's Ezreal doesn't auto much, he prefers to poke enemies down. He also liked the old active because it would partially heal him which synergized very well with staying alive on him. The new movespeed slow is better but doesn't offer anything IBG doesn't already.

AirKingNeo2 votes

How are they "abusers" if they're INTENDED to build it? Are you sure you know the definition of abuse?

IceKingChernobog2 votes

Also Ezreal abused about majority of the items you listed.

Fondling Gems2 votes

Naw, I bet we get it nerfed across the board instead of just focused at ranged champs.

ModCaptainMårvelous2 votes

I'll bet 0 dollars and 0 cents because the changes will be pulled from the PBE.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Or at least this one "Basic attacks extend the duration of the speedup/slow up to 6 seconds"

Snowplosion2 votes

Isn't Bork an item intended for ADCs anyways... They will undoubtable break the shit out of this.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Did you read the change context for the initial changelist? They said it's going to be a better first item for ADCs.

WiegrafOfValor2 votes

I will never understand why item 3153 item 3025 item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 are not Melee Only, and RIOT just make other AD items more suitable for ADC.

Range can break a perfect balance item, because it offers the safety to apply whichever passive/active the item has breaking the risk and reward build on the item itself.

6Sfool2 votes

Eh, I think Youmuu's is fine, and I really like edge on Gnar. But I definitely want to see iceborn as melee only.

WiegrafOfValor2 votes

Ghostblade was made to help Fighters and Bruisers that doesn't have gap closers to engage and keep up with squishy targets with mobility (Like ADCs) and not to be used by ADCs that already have mobility to kite Fighters and Bruisers.


#Not making it Melee only, the item is doing the opposite of what it was created to do.

AirKingNeo8 votes

item 3153 is intended for ADCs and melees.

item 3147 and item 3142 don't have a reason to be melee only. Removing them from ranged champions ruins AD Mage Varus and literally every early game ADC's build.

item 3814 is straight up broken but the same reason above.

item 3025 I can agree on because Iceborn Ezreal is uncatchable.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Basic attacks extend the duration of the speedup/slow up to 6 seconds

Pretty sure they intended ADCs to get the item with this change especially when they mentioned the reason for the change way to make it better on ADCs early game. Either way I still believe this new thing added to the active is dumb. Just give it like 150 damage so you don't lose damage from Cutlass' active on purchase.

ReZisT Lust1 votes

item 3153 item 3078 item 3085 item 3087 item 3115 item 3022 i can see myself buildingTeemo this way lol

DarkRitual1 votes

Those are being pulled to be further worked on next PBE cycle. Don't get your deathcap in a bunch just yet.

chipndip11 votes

Up to 6 seconds extended on a slow is already busted as fuck, regardless. If a ranged champ didn't get this nerfed, Yi and Trynd would easy. It's basically a temporary Frozen Mallet that offers more damage dealing and sustain over initial bulkiness. This is stupid.

iPooUnicorns1 votes

I mean it's still going to be trash cause it does %current HP and has horrible stats.

Velzard of Koz1 votes

"ranged champs" Surely, as Vel'koz I will use this item and uses the ones you mentoined a lot.

DemoGuide1 votes

I would bet, but i lost all faith in Riot balance team long time ago. They won't notice overpowered things, unless you point it on boards for months.

Sanctimonious1 votes

I can't wait to abuse it on Kayle with item 3085

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

lol. imagine vayne with that slow. dear lord why do you do this to us.

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