400 (FOUR HUNDRED) ARMOR, yet Vayne instantly kills me.

Niyumi·Jun 24, 2016·2 votes·1,298 views

Why is that a thing? Randuin's, Frozen Heart, Tabi (and their passive), Thornmail, 3.4k HP... yet she, with a BORK and a bunch of AS (no armor pen) instantly fucking kills me because she can right-click on me and AFK.

Is that balanced? Is that fair? Please fucking enlighten me.

And do explain why one of the easiest champions in the game needs to do that much true damage. Literally the least effort / skill required, yet one of the greatest rewards that exist. How is that fair?

14 Comments

Illâoi Evê SiônJun 24, 20167 votes

A Tank building only Armor lost a 1v1 to a Vayne with her core build.

Does that sound wrong to anyone else? It doesn't to me.

windwolf777Jun 24, 20165 votes

What? You mean a tank slaying adc is shredding a tank? Oh the horrors! I shall call Riot right away about this issue!

NiyumiJun 24, 20161 votes

No, I'm fine if she kills me over like 6-7 seconds, but I died to her in ~2.

Very Hard EngageJun 24, 20161 votes

mathematically impossible, you mean a team with a vayne focused you and blew everything on you, and combined they killed you in 2 seconds.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 24, 20161 votes

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No, I'm fine if she kills me over like 6-7 seconds, but I died to her in ~2.

dying in 2-3 seconds actually isn't that strange against an adc built specifically to kill you in particular. Probably because you were the weakest, most unprepared link.

disregardableJun 24, 20165 votes

You're not supposed to build 400 armor. It falls off the more you buy it. Ideally after 200-250 armor you buy health or damage.

GaleWinUnleashedJun 24, 20162 votes

Armor doesn't fall off on its own. It's only less efficient when stacked because at some point building health is better due to health and armor being multiplicative, while each stat alone is additive.

Effective HP calculation is extremely easy to do in your head. Every 1 armor is a 1% increase to your effective HP. 100 armor means you can absorb exactly double the physical damage (ignoring armor penetration/reduction), 200 armor is triple, etc.

So if you ever find yourself stuck deciding between a Chain Vest and Giant's Belt, just check your current armor and hp values. If (crud, I forgot the armor value on Chain Vest. 40?) 40% of your max health is larger than 400 * ((armor/100) + 1), then take Chain Vest. If not, take Giant's Belt, and have more effective health on your way to Deadman's Plate than if you'd picked the other one.

Put it this way. If you have 2000 max health and 100 armor, buying Chain Vest or Giant's Belt grants you exactly the same EHP. If this is the case, go with armor, because that also increases effective healing/shielding/regeneration.

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Dowager LewisJun 24, 20164 votes

Well yea what you expect? Majority of ADC's at lvl 18 can shred pretty fast. Plus Vayne can naturally solo almost anyone, unless you lock her down with burst (and or) cc. Vayne is all bout that Penta.

HannahOfPiltoverJun 24, 20162 votes

why are you so stupid?

BaunjoJun 24, 20162 votes

Okay first off, vayne is not easy. By any means. My personal way of dealing with champions I don't like is I start playing them, and I learn the ins and outs of their kit. I love playing tanks and I hated vayne for a while so I see where you are coming from. But keep in mind tanks can't generally 1v1 ADCs, especially not vayne. You have to have a coordinated effort and hope that either vayne is distracted by you while your team kills her or you cc her while your team kills her.

Just out of curiosity, what champion were you playing?

Also, true damage bypasses armor. and having 3.4k health will make her hurt you pretty damn bad

Guyy FieriJun 24, 20162 votes

Vayne is actually fairly difficult. She's so short ranged and has i real ranged harass, meaning in order to commit to a fight a lot of the time she has to all in it.

Not to mention that if you are trying to 1v1 Vayne as a tank, then you're doing something wrong.

The way you counter Vayne is you play a champion with easy strong hard CC (Nautilus, Vi, Maokai, Malphite, Gnar). In team fights that tank has one job and that's to lockdown the Vayne for the rest of the team to delete her (since she's squishy AF).

DenevielJun 24, 20161 votes

Crit + True dmg + 50% bonus AD ... BB Hp-bar regardless of the armor you stack

AkeneroJun 24, 20161 votes

You are describing vayne. Idk what the issue is here.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 24, 20161 votes

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Why is that a thing? Randuin's, Frozen Heart, Tabi (and their passive), Thornmail, 3.4k HP... yet she, with a BORK and a bunch of AS (no armor pen) instantly fucking kills me because she can right-click on me and AFK.

Is that balanced? Is that fair? Please fucking enlighten me.

And do explain why one of the easiest champions in the game needs to do that much true damage. Literally the least effort / skill required, yet one of the greatest rewards that exist. How is that fair?

with optimal building vayne decreases the value of your defensive purchaces by 25%

against vayne if you made nothing but defensive purchases than you are losing 25% of your builds value IF YOU BUILT OPTIMALLY which if you had 400 armor is very unlikely.

Why does the "easy champ" get so much damage? Irrelevant, difficulty does not dictate balance. If you can't handle the champ you play then don't play that champ. Don't blame others because you think their champ is simple. If you weren't such a simple problem to solve then their champ wouldn't be simple.

An easy champ is only easy when it solves a simple problem. A difficult champ is also easy when it solves a simple problem.