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These dragon changes are amazing!

MrWasjig··216 votes·7,319 views

> 2nd Dragon now gives a tower burn.

Because the first thing I thought was that people are having a really hard time killing towers right now.

> 4th Dragon now gives defense vs turrets.

Because you know, towers hit really, really hard and the losing team needs even more incentive to just give up and call it quits right?

While we're on the subject of dumb changes, why don't we make Alistar easier to play by making it impossible for even Joe-Dumbfuck to screw up. Because who needs skill?

And let's give these massively unforgiving assassins an item that forgives them if they screw up and fail to kill someone, leaving them at a tiny slither of health. Well those days of just falling short are over because now even assassins can fuck up and still be rewarded! Like people needed more reasons to play Zed!

Good job Riot! Another flawless patch!

/end sarcasm.

And now we wait for the assassin (More specifically Zed) fanboys to line up to take it in turns pissing into my mailbox.

169 Comments

bakenhunter96 votes

Guys the 4th dragon buff won't do anything, we all know that 15% of 0 is still 0

Blue Moon Wolf48 votes

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Biff Manly8 votes

You stole my joke!

Granted, I didn't write it down anywhere yet... but STILL.

I'll see you in court.

Cowgirl Ed48 votes

Yeah I especially love this patch and the towers were just too hard to deal with Also waiting for them to lower the sated stacks needed for devourer, because right now it's really hard to get sated

NavyDivea12 votes

Ugh how can they think any of this is a good idea, its like the are trying to make people quite their game.

Vistha Kai10 votes

They've been trying for some time now.

Began with "You guys aren't canon, because that hinders our writing posibilities" then after 2 years they did absolutely nothing that'd warrant the retcon. Half of people that cared for lore were buttfucked dry.

Then they started pulling those garbage of reworks. Cassio, Mordekaiser, Shen, etc. mains were buttfucked dry.

Then they made favourism even more prominent, by buffing champions like Lux or Xin for the sake of it, while leaving those stuck at 45% winrate, losing every matchup rot for months.

Now this.

It makes me think if they all aren't sharing one brain or something.

LordKentravyon28 votes

The dragon buffs are a good idea.

Their reasoning for towers being weak is "they don't want a stall fest"
Fine i get that but they are currently too weak.

But hey if they are adding another major sieging buff (one that is permanent to boot) than they can now turn and buff towers so they are a reasonable threat.

It's win / win Towers are relevant so happy players, but new tools ensure game's don't drag on forever which rito seems to hate so happy rito

So the change is good because they no longer have an excuse to not buff the towers. IF they still neglect them however well than we have an issue .

MrWasjig9 votes

So the change is good because they no longer have an excuse to not buff the towers

You're certainly more optimistic than I Sir. I on the other hand, won't be holding my breath.

Darkwind24 votes

{quoted} game's don't drag on forever

https://e.thumbs.redditmedia.com/777zbDHqROvPQxPv.jpg

Futanarilover1 votes

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The dragon buffs are a good idea.

Their reasoning for towers being weak is "they don't want a stall fest"
Fine i get that but they are currently too weak.

But hey if they are adding another major sieging buff (one that is permanent to boot) than they can now turn and buff towers so they are a reasonable threat.

It's win / win Towers are relevant so happy players, but new tools ensure game's don't drag on forever which rito seems to hate so happy rito

So the change is good because they no longer have an excuse to not buff the towers. IF they still neglect them however well than we have an issue .

Like many people, I want some way or chance for a team that's behind to comeback, not to be royally screwed no matter what. These tower and dragon changes don't point towards that.

LordKentravyon4 votes

I think you misunderstand me. I want buffed towers as well. It is unacceptable how long they have been weak. However I also remember and understand the things rito is trying to avoid. (the sit at tower and endlessly clear waves stall meta)

These changes ALONE are bad for the game but they do pave the way for positive tower changes without the risk of bringing back a major stall meta. (which RIOT hates)

In theory if they buff towers now. A team will have reasonable means to stall. Baron will still be a major threat to this as the largest siege breaker. But if they also allow the opposition to get four dragons they will also face significant and permanent difficulty with further stalling. Considering a fourth dragon is not only (normally) fairly late into the game but also presents four opportunities to be contested / stolen / taken this is fair. Stronger stalling and comeback opportunities, but a balance to ensure other teams aren't just completely walled off from any possible victory.

Oerba No Naja10 votes

I think that the balance team is killing league of legend , they are litteraly murdering league of legends . If they continue the game popularity will flop so hard I

Icepaw2 votes

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I think that the balance team is killing league of legend , they are litteraly murdering league of legends . If they continue the game popularity will flop so hard I

Agreed. Balancing team seems to be on drugs atm. Patches for the last year has been an increasing source of frustration. See how they patch after patch nerf a mediocre champ like fiddle, but decide to boost one of the strongest junglers in the game, Lee, not too talk about how they buffed both Zed and Riven, while gutting Swain..

It just dosent make any sense at all.

MrWasjig1 votes

Every patch since the Juggernaut's release has just been one "meh" fest after another...and that's in the best case scenario.

RasCaelestis2 votes

I'd not really say "meh". More like... "Wait, what?" The most recent changes to balance have me seriously questioning how long this game will sustain itself. I've questioned Riot in the past, but between the 'balance' changes Riot's made in the past few patches and the removal of Dominion, I'm rapidly losing interest in a game I've played for years.

MrWasjig3 votes

I did specify "meh" being the BEST case scenario...so that speaks volumes of my thoughts of patches since then. But you're right, majority have made me yell aloud "Wait, what!? The hell are you smoking, balance team?"

CHOPSTICKUHH7 votes

@Rito, read this. and realize how stupid these changes are

TheDráco7 votes

TBH the new assassin item would be great if they added a passive. "Cannot be purchased by Zed".

yoniame4 votes

Akali MasterYi Talon

Deus Imperator7 votes

I actually got a 2nd dragon buff on a match today

Holy mother of god, even as a support you are wrecking the tower with AA

this was with a sona

Sona Wrecking a tower

thats riot folks

TeCoolMage3 votes

Sona in particular is a bad example as she has extra lichbane damage, which is a lot more than most expect. Even Janna sometimes is a bad example.

A good case of knowing something's wrong is when Soraka pushes down towers.

Quort1 votes

Ufmm uibu up BE Tpsblb. :3

TeCoolMage1 votes

.>:c shush that information is under the guard of the banana cult, I request you delete any references immediately.

Quort1 votes

I apologize. I encoded my message to prevent it from getting beyond the banana cult. I hope Masters Soraka and Wukong are not displeased with me.

TeCoolMage1 votes

lol I'm actually surprised I found out how to decode it pretty quickly

Quort2 votes

It's because you too are part of the banana cult. C:

IcyPepper1 votes

Sona in particular is a bad example as she has extra lichbane damage,

I wasn't aware that lichbane was part of Sona's kit, rather an item that any champion can build in the game.

TeCoolMage2 votes

Sona's power cord works on towers.

Bodkins Odds2 votes

She's always taken towers pretty quickly. item 3100 is quite good at that.

Only Play Darius6 votes

Keep complaining about Zed

MrWasjig21 votes

If we build it, they will come. And by they, I mean Zed mains. And by Zed mains, clearly that's you.

Only Play Darius4 votes

I don't main Zed lol. I play enough of him to know his weaknesses though

MrWasjig20 votes

It's just a shame his plethora of strengths massively outweigh his few weaknesses.

InHaruhiWeTrust13 votes

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? didn't you know that item 3157 and item 3140 is the answer to everything? who needs pesky "counterplay" when you can get a item 3157 10-15 min after zed gets his ult or you can buy a item 3140 if you don't wanna "wait till after he kills you 3 times"? what? you're AP and Qss doesn't build into anything you can actually use? huh? zed is AD and magic resist is useless? well you're just being a bronze scrub cause as long as you can remove zeds ult you should never lose to zed, even if you don't have any dmg or defenses.... [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

MrWasjig3 votes

This level of sarcasm, I approve of it! http://gph.is/1eQZqhI

thats nice1 votes

Not arguing or disagreeing, but their is summoner 1 still. I also see people take summoner 21 and that seems to work well against him

AninLegions7771 votes

I beg you, list these so called "plethora of strengths"

Hay5eed2 votes

Many people will explain to you about how hard it is to lane against him. I will not. Instead let me point something else out. The majority of the time, if you are a midlaner (mage or not) you're goal in a team-fight is to kill their ADC. Since ADC's try to position themselves near the back line, you often have to over extend yourself in order to accomplish this, most mages don't have a strong form of escape/ gapcloser. Zed has both. He can very quickly use his W to gapclose into their backline, and then press R to ult their ADC, becoming untargetable and leaving a shadow behind. When he reappears a quick press of Q and E will almost insure that the ADC will die, or be so low that they have to back right now, and Zed just has to press R again to blink back to where he ulted from. It's kinda ludicrous how easy it is to play him

AninLegions7771 votes

I see what you are talking about, and I hope I don't sound cocky, but this is a low elo problem. In Plat+, Zed is focused first. In any teamfight, Zed is always pinned down to ensure the ADC's safety. Also the ADC has QSS to ensure that he survives Zed's ult so that puts Zed in a bad spot.

Now imagine Zed ults and ADC with an Ali supp. He gets instantly knocked up and destroyed. In low elo, Zeds are feared (I have no idea why). They think all Zed players are really good but in reality they are below average. So this is the problem. Individual skill in low elo is a factor causing people there to say that Zed is OP.

Hay5eed1 votes

I don't care if its just a low elo problem. Low elos have WAY more players in it then the higher ones and I think it is unfair to say that just because we aren't high enough rank that we don't deserve any recognition or respect when it comes to matters like balance. Zed's are feared in low elo I think mostly because of the knowledge base that each player has. For the most part, players know how to play their champions...and that's about it. When it comes to countering other champions they are left a little blank. Do you know how much damage a single Zed can wreck in a game where no one knows how to counter him? It's insane. Also there have been plenty of people smurfing with Zed's just to be a dick and wreck shop. This doesn't help the fear factor at all.

Anyways, the short of it is #BronzeLivesMatter

AninLegions7771 votes

I like that hashtag xD

Now on a more serious note, you can't remove power from Zed just because people don't know how to deal with him. There are tutorials and guides that outline how you defeat Zed. There are champions and items that help you counter Zed. If you want to get out of low elo (which is what every bronze/silver/Gold 3-5 player wants), then you have to put in time to learn how to counter the champ or just ban him. It's easier now since everyone except from the first 2 pick get a ban.

Note that I'm not saying low elo should be disregarded, I'm just saying that nerfing Zed because people don't want to put in time to learn about him is wrong. They are better off nerfing Rengar.

Hay5eed2 votes

rengar does need a nerf

SwiftKitten886 votes

i had a yi use his "heal" under a tower.. ( a laser base tower)

and the heal was stronger than the laser damage.. he GAINED his HP while tanking the turret.

turrets don't do ANYTHING past lvl 4 of so. they are ABSURDLY weak. and the lasers are even WORSE the an regular ones... because if u step in range of a regular turret your goign to get hit.. but if u step in range of a laser turret you get tickeled until you get out.. because the regular turrets will follow you OUT of turret range after they shoot and the lasers instantly stop when u leave range

Auz the Ripper11 votes

Galio uses laser towers to heal himself after fights

yoniame3 votes

laser surgery? Hope it will buff his Q ans eyesight

Jasiwel5 votes

They could at least make towers deal more damage or give them faster attack speed to compensate. That would make grabbing Dragon not only more useful earlier on, but also make it more contestable other than "oh no, they got Dragon #1".

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

I agree, and can't wait for riot to give tanks a gamewide buff, considering they're just utility bots these days and useless otherwise.

CitadelOfIce5 votes

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I agree, and can't wait for riot to give tanks a gamewide buff, considering they're just utility bots these days and useless otherwise.

You know I would rather the cinder-hulk meta be back right now then what we got... if only for that little sweet spot right after cinder-hulk were everything felt smooth and fun.

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

Again I agree; at least a wide variety were viable, granted some were still clearly stronger, but at least they had significant competition across several positions and classes. Now days it's just a dull, 'who can instakill the enemy faster' check.

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